Allah v Nick
 

I see in today's Observer that Lancashire's finest have expressed an interest in land off Steiner Street for the site of a new police station. This ground has been earmarked for some time as the spot for the new Accy super mosque.

Personally, i think the location is ideal for a new cop shop, the Manchester Rd one being well past it's sell by date. It is quite central to the borough, with fast access to the motorway and not to far from the town centre.

So what does the panel think? A new nick there, or the mosque? Or maybe something else, such as allotments. If Accy is to have a new mosque then what about converting the old Con Club? It is big enough and I seem to recall it's even got a few mini-minarets on the roof, so the jobs half done; the old ball room would make an excellent prayer room.

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I've gone for the Cop Shop.It's one hell of a long bumpy ride in the back of the meat wagon to get to Green Bank.:eek::D:D

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Think it would be far more convenient fer everyone resited down yon.

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A real ale pub to make up for all the ones we've lost round there.

Incidentally, what's going to happen to the old cop shop? As it's a grade 2 listed building, it can't be knocked down, so is it just going to be left to fester like the fire station?

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only problem i can see wi that, Is there enough around this way aware of real ale n what it is? The younger end seem mostly Lager, WKD, n such like numpties.:D

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Gone for the cop shop.
Afraid I must confess to liking a decent lager - Stella or 1664, but do enjoy some of the more recent Thwaites's especially Bomber. The lager choice probably stems from my years (45+), away from any decent draught beers.

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I'm sorry but your off there - there is a boom in real ale pubs around all student areas.

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Pray tell us where that is in accy please:rolleyes:

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I definitely voted for the cop shop, as a preference to the other two

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New Nick. I thought that a new nick was going to be built behind the present one. The old building is going to be empty the way its going. Fire Station gone, Police Station going and the courts on a four day week.

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I see no point in a new nick as it will almost certainly be unmanned most of the time. What is the thinking behind it? The usual excuse to spend money: The old one is not up to code and it will cost more to bring it up than to build a totally new one?

I am cynical. As for a mosque - I have not opinion really.

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Ya would have if you lived in the next street:rolleyes:

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pardon:confused:

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Try building a Church in the birthplace of the Muslim faith (Saudi Arabia), you can even be arrested & deported for holding a Christian service anywhere other than in one of the Embassies.

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I voted cop shop, we need a presence in the town, it sends the wrong signal to keep closing down satelite stations and reducing coppers on the beat.
We should introduce public flogging and bring back the stocks, I might have gone a bit too far with the last point, but we need to see coppers on the beat:whip:

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How should that have any bearing on how we behave and on how tolerant we are as a society? Personally I think a mosque makes an interesting addition to the skyline and the muslims I know are as decent as any other.

I don't understand what Saudi Arabia and their approach to managing their own society has to do with us.

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i cant see them allowing a police station to be built as this would mean law and order been near blackburn road although i suppose if they prommmise to continue not enforcing the law in that area the plans may be approved

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Personally if i felt that i would have voted fer a mosque. shame that.:rolleyes:

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Obviously, unlike Barrie, you haven't been there, we live in a christian country, if you live in Saudi, try building a church there;)

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Definately need a new police station, there are plenty of mosques, most definately dont need another. When was the last time we Christians built a new church in Accy? Point made I think.

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I think it might have something to do with the demonstration of tolerance.
We are a tolerant society(in the main).
Muslims have come and settled here, adopted this country...they are allowed to practice their religion here. This is not a facility that is afforded to Christians in some muslim countries....I think that was the point being made.
As for Mosques being interesting and adding to the skyline.........well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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They are also allowed to park where and when they like, ignore red traffic lights and only shop at M&S when there is a sale on.

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M&S ! They do like shopping at Tesco at closing time! :rolleyes:

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not much tolerance there then.

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Go to M&S in Blackburn between 4.30pm and 5.00pm, when all food on sell by date, gets a 50p sticker.

I kid you not. £5 and £6 meals, sandwiches and fruit for only 50p. This happens daily. It is a fight between the homeless, druggies and Muslims, as who can consume the most, without spending...:(

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Maybe you should wear some boxing gloves next time your in there :D

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...tes?CMP=twt_gu

Sell by dates are to be discontinued, but 'use by' and 'best before' dates will stay.

'Use by' indicates goods are not fit to eat - do you think the scramble will still happen?

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Don't reckon it will make much difference,draw yer conclusion from that.

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paint a hand grenade orange and put a 50p sticker on it and casualy walk away..


that should slow down the rush and deter future gatherings :)

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Tut tut, this was a simple question police station or mosque. Personally I would go for the police station, as for the mosk, plenty of room on mars.

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Hi! keep the votes rollling in!!! also join the comments online at Lancashire Evening Telegraph

link: New Accrington police station could be built by proposed mosque (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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some interesting comment on the article.

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Er is that not illegal accyman:rolleyes::D

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There certainly are Margaret, but I find that this is the case with a lot of stories on the LT, in fact if you have a bit of spare time it can be quite amusing reading these comment on a regular basis

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I found it interesting that an asian commentator on the story thought that a Mosque would be a community centre for all the community. I suppose that would be so if all the community were asian.
And that someone else mentioned cohesion.....isn't it the muslim population who do not bother to integrate? preferring their own company(many of the women do not speak english...though some do understand it) and before anyone levels allegations of racism against me......I am not being racist when I point this out...just factual.

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The number of times I've heard the term Asian community, tells me they don't really want to integrate, yet the PC brigade expect the indigenous population to bend over backwards to change to accommodate, funny that ain't it;)

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only becomes a crime when caught :D

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Think about this- Why should they have to? The authorities here make sure through pure stupidity,they don't need to! When i lived in Spain as other members who do can verify, every letter from the Town Hall/Electricity board/Banks/ etc was in Spanish, The same if yeh had to visit the Town Hall/Electric Board/Hospitals, no-one spoke english, so therefore yeh have to pay fer n interpreter, That alone ensures most will try n learn the lingo,n if yeh do that then yer on yer way to integrating! What this useless lot here do- is Give em everything on a plate, I.E. letters/signs in their own language,in particular the local authority, so especially the older immigrant,why do they need to integrate?:confused:

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They chose to come and live here...nobody forced them to come......so they should integrate.
It is as if they would have their culture diluted if they learned English.......so they would rather we diluted our culture to accommodate them...and we are just plain daft for doing it.
I saw hundreds of thousands of pounds wasted in the Health Service...printing booklets and information leaflets in numerous languages. These leaflets were very often unused .......because although the people speak the language, a lot of them don't actually read it(this most certainly applies to women)
Women who needed things translated used interpreters, again at a cost to the NHS........but frequently the husbands wanted to do the interpreting themselves.....so you can take from that what you will. Who can say what was being said to the women when the husbands acted as translators? But hey, that is the cynic in me that is talking.

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Spot on, me point is- the authoritys have made it so theres no need.;)

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Easy to be cynical -I've been in that position. I gave birth to my first son in Italy having lived in the country for a few months -I had no interpreter and had prepared myself by reading books in English from the National Childbirth trust. Luckily it was a textbook birth and all went well.

Unfortunately major population migration can lead to misunderstandings - customs are different between one population and another.

My current Gynae here in italy has told me that she is terrified of assisting births of non EU women as, apart from the language problem, many have no preparation and have never even had a scan. They arrive in A&E, ready to go, and the docs have to face emergency Breach births which are almost unheard of these days in european women because of technological advances. When things go wrong , as can happen in a percentage of cases, they face the circumstances and are held "to blame".

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Yes Cashy...I was underlining your point about migrants going to live in other countries...and their responsibilites to their adopted country.
In this country it seems like you have no responsibility......and I can't see it changing anytime soon.

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It is all very well providing leaflets and information in other languages, but it really doesn't help if those people that the information is aimed at, cannot access it because they cannot read their own language.

Everyone has a responsibility to ensure they can understand what is being said to them.......and when you migrate to a foreign country, you do your best to try and learn some of the language........I have looked after women who have been in this country in excess of 20 years, and yet they do not speak any English.......they may understand a little of it...but they cannot speak it...this despite the fact that their children have grown up and gone to school here and learned English in school...what that says to me, is that these people do not wish to be part of the wider community....they do not wish to integrate.

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Quite right, for a lot of Asians they have just moved the community from Islamabad to Accrington and carried on regardless, the difference being M&S at 4-30pm each day:rolleyes:

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On the other hand I have a mate who has lived in Spain for nearly 20 years and can't speak a word of Spanish.In fact being a true cockney he can't speak much English.

IE. Use your filbert,get that down the gregory we're off down the frog to the battle.:confused::D:D
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And a Ruby Murray on the way home:D

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None whatsoever.