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Would we get a referendum on EU membership Graham?

East Lancs MP calls for 'northern Parliament' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

AN EAST Lancashire MP has called for a 'northern Parliament' after accusing the Government of abandoning the north.
Hyndburn and Haslingden MP Graham Jones said the difference in job losses between the north and the south showed that the Tory Government was not doing enough.
Mr Jones said he wanted powers devolved from Westminster to the north, through a northern assembly or Parliament.

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I wonder if Graham has let power go to his head...
Yet another gravy train

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It's always been them and us.

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Well our MP is now one of Them

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How many bluddy parliaments and assemblies and councils does it take to govern a country that is rapidly going down the gurgler?

This is yet another example of why the Labour Party does not work. Prescott tried foisting regional assemblies on us and got nowhere. Now G Jones's brilliant idea to get us working again is....regional assemblies, sorry, Northern Parliament.

The trick to recovery Graham is in less government, not more. Eejit!

How disappointing.

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Perhaps he just doesn't fancy going back to the printers.

If the constituency of Hyndburn does disappear.

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what a complete farce who the hell is thinking these ideas up for him and what is it they are smoking ?

As for abandoning the north it was expected because cameron quite openly stated he hated the north and couldnt understand why people would want to live there so talk about stating the obvious.

anyway if it was put to parliament jones woudl probably vote against it becuse as his track record shows hes likely to change his mind

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I can just imagine the opening ceremony.

It'll be crocheted gonks, wall-to-wall community art projects, and flash dance mobs a go-go.

Bring it on.

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Well maybe he could propose a referendum on the issue, oh hang on a minute referendum and Graham don't really go down well together do they, forget the idea;)

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This is without doubt the most sensible thing Mr Jones has said since he came to office.

If the Scots get independence then England faces perpetual Tory government. The Tories don't understand the North, they don't understand the sense of community that still mostly exists in the North.

As far as the Tories are concerned it's a dog eat dog world, markets dominate and don't help your neighbour. They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

The North does need more autonomy to maintain the mostly centre left politics of the region. In the North there is such a thing as society.

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Yeh may just have summat there toffee guy, jurys out.

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What England needs , is an English parliament .. Graham Jones is a deluded fool who is pro EU .. which in my book is anti British & does not serve what is good for the this country .. The man has forgot who he is working for! & has chose to line his pockets & ride the gravy train like rest of the traitors .... why should we be broke up in to regions ? all part of the EU plan to destroy this country

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Spot on wrighty, Scotland has a parliament Wales and Northern Island have assemblies, so why not England and let the other carry on on their own. Regional assemblies are a bureaucratic nonsense, why the hell would we want one in the north just to placate outdated left wing thinking, two tier system of local government is bad enough, never mind two tier system of national government, regional government is a baby of the EU, a regime Graham though we shouldn't be allowed to have a say on, your not on Jonesy, your not on :mad:

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Have you read the thread 'Keep your peanut'?

it seems that far from not helping our neighbour, the Tories are determined to help our neighbours whether they want help or not.

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Haven't you heard the phrase 'divide and rule' and the simplest way to do this is to set the people against one another.......while they are fighting themselves, they cannot be in touch with what is going on in the bigger world out there........and they(the politicians) cannot be blamed if we destroy ourselves.

We do not need fragmented government........all government has costs attached to it, officers, administrators, politicians......all want paying so it isn't economic or political sense to advocate such changes.
We need less government not more(and scattered about the place).
We need politicians who care about the place they reperesent......I mean really care....not just issuing sound bites that they think the electorate will swallow without much concrete thought.

It seems to me that the current incumbents care only for lining their own pockets and building some kind of place on the gravy train that is Brussels......and that is what is wrong. They have no feelings for the common man who is the constituent and put the cross on the ballot paper.

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Whilst i fully agree wi the divide n rule, Do yeh not think we are already divided? Cameron has already ensured that, Which is why i say the jurys out wi me.

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A Northern Parliament, eh?....could be quite good for an ambitious Northern-based Labour MP...as our resident Labour loyalist has already pointed out, there's more chance of Labour being in power...and smaller government means less competition for those top jobs!

As for the rest of us, a total irrelevancy...as for the quaint notion that the present-day Labour hierarchy are somehow more concerned with the plight of the common man than Cameron and his mob...words fail me. :rolleyes:

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Thats a first.:D

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Well, I did think of using an epithet picked up from your good self, whilst standing on the Clayton End...but then I decided that I didn't want to get banned! ;)

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The divisions were not started by this government Cashy(they haven't been helped by this government either), but by those who allowed free let to people who should not be in this country...those who encouraged porous borders, telling us all the while it was good for us. that it was good for the country.
Giving the incomers more relevance than those who were brought up for generations in this country. Those were the divisive practices,that and the dilution of Britishness.
It is more than a political thing, it is a sociological thing, a cultural thing.

It makes no sense to break the country into small portions, each with its own ruling government......and the costs that that would incur.

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Am well aware always been divisions in my lifetime,no question, this lot have just made em that much wider.;)

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Ya you could just imagine a northern assembly presided over by Sturmbannfuhrer Jones and his Storm Troopers, yu shalt not have a vote on a referendum, the plebs don't need to bother their tiny little brain ve shall make all ze decisions

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just like the tories giving a u.s. company the contract to print tickets for the olympics:rolleyes:;)

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Just what has that got to do with a Northern Parliament?

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Shusssh Margaret, just let him go back to sleep

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I think he was asleep when he posted that.

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Think he's asleep when he posts everything:D

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The European Union is out of touch with the North, South, East and West. Graham should really focus his efforts on getting us a referendum on our membership of the EU. If he's committed to more localised decision making then bringing back powers from Brussels is a good start.

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Quite right, he should, but Graham's party aren't in power. Perhaps those who ARE in power could focus their efforts on giving us an EU referendum? :rolleyes:

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Well your lots in power, They "CAN" do it, but they won't.:rolleyes:

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I would have thought the party with the largest majority in Parliment would be in the best position to get us a referendum.:rolleyes:

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Beat me to it again! :)

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Great minds, eh, lads? ;)

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Doesn't really matter who you point the finger at, there's none has got the big brassies to do it, regardless of leanings. :mad:

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Someone would if the likes of Jaysay.Cmon,n loads n loads of others made em.;)Cyfr seems to want a referendum so yeh can include him as well.

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Quite right, Dave, however it ill becomes a paid-up Tory to come on here and start mouthing off about Labour not giving us a referendum. Cameron certainly hasn't got the bottle to do it!

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NO n he aint the guts to say so.:rolleyes:

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the problem is they gave too much fiscal and economic power and created a monster.no way should they have let countries like greece especailly when the likes of portugal and spain were already struggling.i think we could be thinking of military coups in the likes of greece thats how serious its getting. last spring was the arrab spring,this summer could be what happened in the sixties riots in paris madrid etc with the likes of 20% unemployment rates in spain.like i said we aint seen nothing yet

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Agreed. Very much in favour of an EU referendum no matter who's in office. Individual MPs, no matter which party, need to come out in favour of having one. Maybe Graham will come round to it? He could still vote with his conscience and stay cuddled up to the European Union if we did have a referendum.

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Cameron and his cronies will only do what is good for him and the rest of his millionaire pals, as usual.He and his like don't give a monkeys chuff for the likes of us plebs.We may get a referendum when it means no longer matters, just to appease the masses.

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Dont forget Brown selling off our gold cheap to help his pals!

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Which has what to do wi this matter?:rolleyes: This Gold business has been mentioned many times on here n quite rightly this action got slagged.

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Sounds great..how about MP's, no matter which party, voting with their conscience on destroying the the NHS..any chance of that from you?

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I'm not a paid up member of the Tory Party and think exactly the same way as you on Europe, I may add the former MP Ken Hargreaves is no longer a member either.

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I was talking about Andrew! ;)

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Incidentally, Jay, if you think exactly the way I do on Europe, wouldn't it make sense to register a protest vote by voting UKIP at the next election?

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Sorry:D

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To be honest Wyn I haven't given it that much thought, the time to do that will be if I'm around in 3 years time and that is a big if

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You could try writing a letter to Conservative Head Office, Jay, to the effect that you will vote against whatever candidate they propose until they promise a referendum.

If enough folk did that, it might give party bosses (of whatever stripe) pause for thought.

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Not a good idea Bob, Have yeh seen his spelling?:D:D

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Maybe he's better with a pen than with a keyboard;)

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Ya ain't seen my hand writing, its like a spider crawled all over the paper:D

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How do you know I'm a paid up member? Either way it doesn't matter. Point is I want an MP that supports and will vote for a referendum, no matter what their respective party leader says. The fact that Graham's party is not in government makes no difference, he still gets a vote in Parliament on the issue if it's raised.

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A more effective way is to refuse to vote for any MP or candidate that isn't in favour of a referendum. They'll soon change their tune if enough people speak up.

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Thats what many are saying,but also vote fer 1 who does.;) They will change there tune even quicker that way.

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Can't see the point in having a Northern Parliament when we don't have a British Parliament.

At least not one that has a say in anything that looks after our interests.:confused::confused:

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The writing isn't important. What would be significant are the opinions of a faithful supporter, one who believes that there is a fundemental issue on which he feels let down by the party. If enough folks like you start to complain, bitch even;), they might just listen. Same goes for the other party supporters.

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well if a certain MP says he will support a vote on the EU i wont be fooled twice and i hope no one else will either infact i hope any opposition quotes what he said he would do on this site and what he actually did when they are out canvasing.


i want an MP that represents the people of his area not an MP that is nothing more than his party leaders little bitch :mad:

Hope i dont get the labour cronies sent round to my house to show me the error of my ways ;)

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Sorry Eric but I'm not the "faithful supporter" as you put it, politics plays no part in my life at all, in fact if I didn't use Accyweb, it wouldn't enter my head at all, I've enough trouble breathing these days without bothering what Call Me Dave will be doing anytime soon, its up to the younger generation to do the lobbying now, I have done more than my share in the past and now I've moved on

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:eek::eek::eek::eek:Now that would be scary:eek::eek::eek:;)

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Thoughts are the same Wyn. I definely will not be voting for our present representative so UKIP is a possible alternative.

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Global warming.

Soon the north is the only dry place where there'll be any government.

;)

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UKIP if you want to, I'd rather not.

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Close, but no cigar.


'UKIP if you want to.'

'The ToffeeGuy's not for kipping.'


Much better.

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Seeing there will be a lack of credible candidates, maybe Karen Buckley could come back?
I will be edging towards UKIP as well

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Was there any UKIP candidate at the last election in Hyndburn?..if so could not have done to good.
It's all very well people voting for any candidate who states he/she would press for a referendum on the EU no matter the party they represent, but in a constituency where it is very tight between the two major parties, it could mean your vote contributes to the party who you would least like to have govern the country.

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Mancie mate, I understand your point, I have always voted for a mainstream party. But thanks to some of the policies introduced by the last Labour Government, that had a major impact on my father and mother, among thousands of others in his industry, I cannot and will not ever vote Labour again.

This leaves me with the Conservatives, I am right wing, I am a capitalist, but in our ward I don't believe they have ever fielded a candidate that I feel good about voting for, therefore I have never voted for them, since I moved here.

I won't not vote as I disagree with that, so I am stuck.

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Ok if people vote in a general election who would usually vote tory but vote on one issue they feel strongly about.. lets say immigration, they may vote BNP..the BNP vote goes up a few percent but then the labour candidate wins on a slim majority .

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Whether Hyndburn remains as a constituency or not, there will be a UKIP candidate(s) in this area.

I've been in contact with them.

Though they already knew there's a great deal of disillusionment with mainstream political parties in this area, and people locally do want a say, about what our future is with the EU.

Hyndburn's ripe for the taking

...and the vote a' splittin'.

:)

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Nearly every person I know are sick of New Labour, and are unimpressed with the Tory led coalition.

Most are planning to vote UKIP.

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Some of us voted UKIP last time. Here's G G G G G Granvillle, the 2010 candidate:
Granville Barker, UK Independence Party, Hyndburn

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There's a campaign called People's Pledge running local referendums asking people if they want an in/out referendum on the EU. They are designed to highlight just how important the issue is to people and to pressure the MP or candidates into backing the Pledge to support an in/out referendum.

In many areas the number of people that have signed the pledge outnumber the MP's majority.

I've signed the pledge, I hope you can too. Maybe we'll get one in Hyndburn. Peoples Pledge - EU Referendum Campaign

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Let's come out off the common market and stop bailing other countries out.

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Signed, and spread the word, that others should too.

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Same here, well done Andrew

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Nothing on the telly?

Trouble sleeping?

Watch these numbers whizzing before your eyes.

Peoples Pledge - EU Referendum Campaign

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Lol, do I win a prize?

Spotted one Margaret R - Hyndburn, flash up they'd signed.

Solidarity!

:D

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The People's Pledge EU Referendum Campaign on Euronews - YouTube

Kate Hoey Labour MP, People's Pledge EU Referendum Congress - YouTube

David Davis MP, People's Pledge EU Referendum Congress - YouTube

Well some lucky constituents have both brave rebel Labour, and Tory MP's, who apparently support the concept of democracy, and the 70% of Britons who demand their say in a simple in/out EU referendum.

Obviously those MP's care more about the rights of the people they were elected to represent. Rather than weakly toadying up to their party puppet masters.

Sign the pledge, if you care...and aren't one of the 95% of people, according to Graham Jones MP, who 'don't give a toss about Europe'.

Peoples Pledge - EU Referendum Campaign

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Signed & shared .. Cheers for the link

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Cheers, Gary, duly signed.

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Signed too