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Fines for spitting? Enfield Council pushes for right to fine those caught in the act | Mail Online
Enfield Council are hoping to become the first council in England to issue fixed penalty fines for people caught spitting in the street, I think they've got it spot on myself, don't see why other councils don't follow their lead

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I agree completely.The cause of disease spread. TB was eradicated in this country once, now it is ripper than ever , Blackburn being the worse in the country for it .I believe spitting " helped " it spread.

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Yes and it's all so simple..have you forgot about the cuts?..:rolleyes:

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Spitting is disgusting! I've mentioned before that I work with young people, mainly teenagers, and I can cope with most things from them except spitting, it's the only thing which makes me really have a go at them. And when I do it's clear that they have no idea how anti social it is - some of them do it every couple of minutes as a course of habit and don't realise they're doing it until it's pointed out.

Well, I wonder, have you thought this through?

There must be times when all of the above have spat on the street, first time out from a cold or flu, we can't help it, it's perfectly natural.

When I have to do it I always aim for a grid.

God help us all, how far can we go before all natural and needed bodily functions become illegal?

I fart, you fart, how long before that is illegal in publc?

Yes, I agree spitting to try and appear tough is wrong, but there are times we all need, (desperatly), to remove flem.

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How about a tissue?

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Thats what I do Anne, and Ive been at it for a long time now:D

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Quite right Jaysay, no excuse for spitting in the street, it's disgusting to other people and I think degrading to the person doing it.

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Agreed, bring it on, it's a disgusting habit ( mainly practised by Blackburn College students ( male) at my bus stop on the Boulevard!!) Should be a fine and then further action for every further offence, either stop it or buy some tissues! I'm 44 and I can hold my hand up and say I have never , ever spat in the street, why would you? It's wrong.:)

Have you NEVER been out with a hanky, when full of flem? Within half an hour it is sodden?
Anyone that claims they haven't spat in the street is a liar.

The majority of us only do it from desperation, however, it must only be the perfect in the world, not the victims of life, that deserve to be fined for what is a natural function.

Of course I don't include footballers or their followers they spit every time they think.

(Thank goodness they don't think very often, otherwise we'd be waist deep in the stuff).

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Great big dollops of grotch on the pavement is horrible too, especially when you step in it. I used to think it was old pipe-smoking men who were the worst culprits. Man, they really hocked it up and then grotched this horrible green slime on the pavement.

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No, I have never been in that situation and would always make sure I had a pack of tissues with me especially if I had a chest infection.
Are you playing devil's advocate here? I get the impression you might be!

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It always amazes me how footballers are able to blow their noses without an handkerchief. I watch with grim fascination as they block one nostril and then blow a wad of snot out of the other at 70 miles an hour.

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it amazes me why people pass these laws ,when there is nobody to implement them:eek: Job cuts in Enfield Council plan to find £11.2m of savings (From Enfield Independent)

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Well thats one thing yeh got right Cmon.:D

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It should be to do with self respect and human dignity and consideration for others rather than by laws.
Although I don't think it's a recent problem, I remember being on buses with signs saying "No smoking or spitting allowed" and that really is going back decades!

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All well and good..but who will pay for the enforcement?.. local councils have to make massive cuts..dream on.:D

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Sorry Less, I am no liar and have never,ever spat in the street. If you have a phlegm problem you should make sure you carry tissue or hanky.

I always do carry one, although I don't make a habit of spitting in the street I can understand the occasional need for such a thing to happen, though I don't condone perfectly fit young men, (usually), thinking it is a macho thing to do because they follow the example of their so called sporting heroes, the place to fine people is on the pitches to set an example that 'super' fit so called sportmen should set a better example.

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You're not smoking enough, Less. That'll stop you coughing up phlegm( sooner or later).

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basically it isnt a moral reason why these new fines are appearing its money raising ideas that wont have too many objections.Whos going to argue against fines for spitting in the street?The councils know they wont get many objections and preppare to rub their hands in glee at the extra loot they will reap ;)

Now if i get a surpise sneeze from some tarts over enthusiasm with teh perfume bottle and a projectile exits either my nose or mouth catching me off guard will i be fined and if so can i claim dammages from the tart for attacking my nostrils and making me break the law ?

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Definately sooner Gordon:D

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:confused::confused:Can you run that past me again accyman;)

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How much would it cost to have somebody walking around town looking for people spitting?..would it be the police or somebody employed by the council?

I bet it would be more than the useful street cleaner gets.

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although not pleasant to see i do think gobbing is one of the lesser problems Hyndburn has that needs sorting out.

i suppose if the job of catching gobbers is put on the shoulders of the dog poop catcher those night vision goggles may indeed pay for themselves lol

I would much rather see someone employed whos sole reasdon for employment is to catch people jumping red lights and driving with headlights out and at a push people with fog lights on when its not foggy.Just make a not of teh reg and send a fine through the post like they do when you get caught throwing litte rout of your window.

Hell give me a pen and pad along with a £300 pw wage and ill gladly take note of these idiots and fire out fines :D ( no uniform required i prefer stealth )

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Hell all you would need is a deck chair on Blackburn Road and you'd be set up fine:D

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if i set up camp there i want peice work id make the council millions and i coudl retire after a year :D

can you copyright a job decription i dont want the council using my idea and giving some muppet the job i at least want first dibs on it if ever created :D

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You don't have to worry about the council. Everybody in the district sees whats going on, apart from the council.
I reckon 2 weeks of walking up and down Blackburn rd dishing out tickets and they could lower the council tax.
Left to me they would get a ticket and told to take a retest.
You may have noticed that the general state of driving/disreguard for laws or the highway code gets me a tad annoyed, it's not rocket science. :mad::mad::mad:

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Which part of TB do you not understand, Accyman ?

This is not about increasing the Council's purse, but the Nation's Health.

We are now all aware, that due to Immigration, this once eradicated disease, is again threating us. Do you put a price on this against people keeping their fog lights on ? I know I don't.

Only last year my granddaughter was sought out urgently by medical authorities because she had been in close contact with a sufferer. Fortunately, tests proved she was O.K., but another contact wasn't.

She had been out of the time for the BCG vaccination, but daughter contacted the Ministry of Health previously to insist she had it and won .. good job,eh ?

The worst case of spitting I have come across is when certain customers of mine (of another culture), would spit in the waste paper bin in front of me .... nearly joined them to vomit ... dirty sods.

Anyway, don't misread the signs ... LOL. x

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i still reakon more folk are killed by people driving ill maintained cars and dangerous driving than TB in hyndburn

i rang up lancashire country council and was told that cameras that catch red light jumpers had been removed from where they had been because they were causing accidents.Apparently when somone jumped a red light they slammed on when flashed by the camera and the car behind was hitting them causing an accident.

now im no mathamatical genius but if a car jumps a red light and the car behind it hits it when it slams on i can only assume that the second car jumped the red light even later than the first car.If either of them get seriously hurt they have no one to blame but themselves but instead the cameras are removed so thay can jump red lights safely ?

im no way defending gobbing i just dont think its that big an issue its not as though were wading through rivers of phlem.

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I was once in ICU for 24hrs Kate, I was then moved to an ordinary chest ward, the day after disease control were at my bedside taking swabs from my skin and nose, because somebody was in the ICU as the same time as me with virulent strain of TB, its a bit airy for a few days waiting to see if your clear, lets face it TB was something I didn't really need. Seeing TB was once nearly eradicated in the country, my consultant is a leading figure into the treatment prevention of TB, what next Smallpox

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I think we all know why TB is showing its face again and it isnt just because of spitting its because immigration has become so relaxed and people are coming in from places rife with dissease with no attempt by their governments to stop it like ours did.

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Think your quite right Accyman, when I've been in hospital and there have been cases of TB it is usually Asians or people with Asian connections at have it

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From contacts over recent years with British farmers, they put the rise in cases of TB down to new wildlife conservation policies which protect badgers. TB has a serious effect economically on Dairy farmers.

In Italy any rise in cases has been put down to uncontrolled immigration -in particular from the Indian sub-continent where TB is still rife...here most of the men working as milkers in the dairy industry are from India.

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Mobertol, there were badgers running around our country side when TB was all but eradicated, so I don't subscribe to this theory about badgers being responsible, as you've said its still rife in the Indian subcontinent, and we've had an open border policy for years, I know what I blame for the rise and it ain't Mr badger running down county lanes;)

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I totally agree with Jaysay. Leave our badgers alone. And tackle the true problem.

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Some people claim that badgers spread bovine TB to cows, but it has not been proven.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Q&A: Bovine tuberculosis
"Bovine TB can be passed on to humans but instances of this happening are very rare, mainly due to the introduction of pasteurised milk"

Bovine TB can only be spread to humans by drinking unpasteurised, infected milk.

So clearly human TB is different from bovine TB.
Various forms of TB infect humans, One affects neck glands and is called Scrofula. My brother had it as a child in the 1940s.

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I agree with you if it's on pavement, but if your caught out and have no tissues I think spitting on a patch of soil behind vegetation is OK! It's those that spit in public on the public highway that should be fined!

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Can't say I've seen any spitting badgers down the high-street of late? :D

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Well as one who has quite a few problems chest wise, I don't really go out without tissues in my pocket for that reason, surely its not rocket science to know that if your producing phlegm because, your having chest problems that tissues are a must when venturing out of your door

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Once saw a spitting cobra in a zoo, but it wasn't phlegm it was spitting:D

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I personally don't think there's ever an excuse for spitting in public it's just not an acceptable thing to do under any circumstances.

You are beginning to repeat yourself, which is also an illmannered thing to do in public.

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I was at the dentist a few years ago and had a few teeth pulled. Driving home, I could tell my mouth was filling up with blood, so I had to pull over, get out quick, and then spit out a lot of blood and saliva on the side of the road (no tissues to hand). I don't think a passing couple were too impressed, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. Sorry if I've been a bit graphic, but it's after the watershed.