Another Hypocrite
 

I had, in the past, always been in two minds about whether Ken Livingstone was a good idea or not. I sort of suspected that underneath all the socialist blather there might an effective and fundamentally decent chap struggling to reach the surface.

This, in this morning's Telegraph shows just how wrong you can be....

Ken Livingstone uses loophole to save £50,000 in tax - Telegraph


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Ain't it surprising how these socialist suddenly forget their principals as soon as they get their snouts in the trough, whats yours is mine and what's mines me own

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That just about sums it up John.....Socialists when they have nowt....not socialists when the money rolls in...they conveniently 'forget' their socialist values then don't they?

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Ya ask big hearted Aurthur, the biggest of the lot of um and not forgetting Mrs Blair who and I quote "still considers herself a socialist" ya and Crippin was innocent:mad:

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It seems today's politicians don't think it's wrong to bend the rules for there benefit. Maybe it happened in the past but with not having the same communications we never found out about it. Or was society more honest?

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Think yeh probably nailed it, Info these days is more accessible simple as.;)

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Once they taste the gravy they are hooked.........and beggar the principles of socialism.

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Whilst not supporting his actions, he has not done anything wrong, only used the rules and regulations to his own ends. Can anyone on here with hand on heart say that applying the rules to ones own benifit is not something we all do when possible

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The article and my own conclusions are not saying that Livingstone has done anything outside the law in making use of a system that thousands of others use to avoid paying tax. The point is that Livingstone described people who evade tax as b*stard's, when he was doing exactly the same thing. Ergo, the man is either a complete idiot, which I don't believe for one minute, or he is what he describes others as being. Either way he is an hypocrite.

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These politicians know about these loopholes......and they are something which you and I cannot use...we pay our taxes as we earn our money. The Rich people(and I include politicians in this) can avail themselves of these loopholes.
It makes me think that loopholes aren't closed because these people want to be able to exploit them....put a bit more jam on their bread(with a dollop of cream for good measure).
If all these people paid the tax that they were due to pay, then the country would be in much better financial shape. I don't see any politicians pulling their belts a bit. tighter.

No, he hasn't done anything illegal, but as for the morals and ethics.....well, I leave it to you to judge.

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I would describe a tax evader as someone who is dishonest, and is not declaring his true income. What you have described is using the system to pay less tax on his declared income. This is something businessmen have been paying accountants to do since accountants existed

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I think morally he has lost the high ground, and this will be reflected in how many votes he gets when he stands for the mayors position. If he gets voted in then the populace accept this as the norm.

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I hope the voters do remember his tax evasion...and his own judgement of others who do the same thing.
The thing is if he is dishonest(I consider evading tax to be dishonest) enough to pull this stunt, then why should he be trusted in public office?

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I think the thing that sticks in my craw the most is the fact that he seems to think that it is perfectly legitimate and understandable for him to avoid paying tax while at the same time criticising others for doing the same thing in more or less the same way.

To judge by his comments it is almost as if he finds the scrutiny personally offensive.
It seems to be, like Margaret says, once you rise beyond a certain level in the public service you seem to loose touch with the real world and how things are percieved there.

(PS. thanks to the moderators for correcting my typo.)

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We only have to look at our own representative in Westmister to see how power changes good men into greedy ones....greedy for more power, which in turn brings more money...and it seems that however much they have, it is never quite enough.
All thought for the plebs is lost.

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I notice also, that since his brother stabbed him in the back, Millipede Snr. has made £500,000 from speaking engagements, at a cool £20,000 a day. No wonder he is not too anxious to unseat brother Wallace.

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I think you have dropped on another matter altogether, it has been eluded to in earlier posts. Politicians filling their boots, some even have second jobs that only involve one day a month and get paid pots of cash from companies, I think more to secure favors politically.
I think politicians should only be just that, and not on the board of this or that.


A true socialist in my opinion is Dennis Skinner, yet he is called a dinosaur by the Prime Minister, make of that what you will

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what makes you think he was a good man to begin with he was obvioulsy lying to get our votes but when the crunch came he stabbed everyone in the back and quite blatantly with no sign of regret infact he pretty much acted as though he had done nothing wrong when he eventually tried to justify what he did

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He seemed to have the respect of those in his ward.....he seemed to do a good job for his ward constituents........I think it was that, which lulled the electorate of Hyndburn into thinking he would be worth a shot.
Some lessons have to be learned the hard way.

Oh yes, and a bad man wouldn't bother about trying to justify anything.

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Wilson, Callaghan. Healey, Kinnock, Hattersley and Prescott.
All these so called Labour men are two faced hypocrites.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-honours.html

Oh, nearly forgot. Hello, I'm jimmy.

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were have you been since 2006, we were waiting for you.

forgot to say I agree with you on reading the link

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I think that comment is unfair.
What are you basing your assumption that he is greedy for power and money on?

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Well, Neil, my assumption that he is greedy for power is based on the ract that he kow towed to the party instead of following his constituents wishes on the chance to have a referendum on Europe....believing that 95% of the electorate couldn't give a toss about Europe.
He wanted to maintain his position in the party, rather than jeopardising this to follow his constituents wishes.
Everyone knows that ultimately, more power equates to more money.

I feel sure that while in Westmisnter he is making contacts in order to feather his nest should his time in that place come to a sudden and untimely end(like at the next election).

That is the justification for my statement. I say it as I see it........just my opinion.

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Er...the fact that for years MP's fought tooth and nail to keep their expenses secret.

Giving the feeble excuse that it was a 'security risk' if they were published.

They were only made known to the public because they were leaked.

If politicans had their way we'd be none the wiser, and still funding all their fiddles.

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As for power crazed, and eager to climb the greasy political pole of success.

We only have to look at Graham Jones.

Publicly stating an EU referendum would 'settle the issue democratically'.

Two short weeks later.

Ignoring all the evidence that people wanted their say on Europe, deciding to be loyal to his party, rather than his constituents, and their right to have a say in their future.

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Does that suprise you?

Or is it just because those you listed are two-faced?

As opposed to Tory leaders.

Who are nearly always three-faced.

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It would appear he is more interested in pleasing adenoid Ed than the people who elected him, after all the people who elected him won't give him a piggy back up the ministerial ladder will they.

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Explain please

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Most of 'em did so many U-turns, despite claims to the contrary, their heads spun round like that girl from the Exorcist.

One, two, three faces, all became a blur.

http://www.pashnit.com/forum/images/.../onhishead.gif

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Can't see where Cameron did that he was always pro staying in Europe, unlike the dishonourable member for Hyndburn

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No, but like so many other leaders he's guilty of so many U-turns, including his dealings with the EU, he's positively dizzy.


Eurosceptic anger at Cameron U-turn | Business

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Didn't Cameron claim to be privately 'Eurosceptic' prior to the election?

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It is what he does in public that counts........Cosying up to Nicholas Sarcastic says it all!

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There is something uniquely repellant in the image your comment conjours up, Margaret. In fact, the more I think about it, the worse it gets:eek:.


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What's wrong with our Nicolas, he can't be all bad! His third wife must fancy him(and the other two)??
I never knew his full name was Nicolas Paul Stephane Sarkozky de Nagy-Bosca- how French is that?

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You can call faeces(fertilizer, horse feathers, shi-ite) any damn thing you want....it doesn't make it stink any less.

Glad you like it Acrylic-bob...personally I think the name fits rather well.:D

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It isn't, not really. He is Hungarian isn't he, or at least one of his parents was.

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...and he also is descended from Vlad the Impaler;)

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Do the French know that? I thought you had to be a direct descendant of Napoleon or de Gaulle to get to the top there.Bring out the guillotine!
At least when he loses you won't notice he's gone if you're over five foot tall.

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No, you can still become French president, if your mother was a dirty little sparrow.

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Apparently, whoever is President of France is also the co-Prince of Andorra.

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They should consider bringing back their King.

I was reading about the person with the strongest claim on the French throne.

Apparently he's a Spanish midget.

Comme-si, comme ça.

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No thanks, I think we will stick with the sparrow...



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You mean a straight swop? Seems fair.

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Well, if the tiny little shoe fits...

:rolleyes:

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What a waste of a revolution - time for another:behead:

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Harsh treatment, just for having big feet, don't you think?

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Too damp here.

Britons don't like going out, causing mischief, in the drizzle.

The only hope is global warming.

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The homeless are already 'out'

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Yes but because of the weather they're still apathetic.

They can only muster the energy to make a bed in a cardboard box.

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They have the incentive of a prison holiday camp in the warm and dry.

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What's different now?

Hundreds of thousands lost their homes in America, in the Great Depression.

There were no riots.

Even though people had a bit more 'get up and go', than the pampered society of today.

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Do they have redcoats there? I used to love them when I was little.

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It's hard enough to encourage people to get off their arses to vote.

Mass rioting in Britain's way too much effort.

Might get the odd skirmish.

If it's a good summer.

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No, the Americans shot them all.

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Yes, at the Butlin's Tea Party.

:D

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Was that the one where they tipped all the silicone into Joan Rivers?

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No, you're thinking of the Battle of the Shelley Winters.

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Oh. I see. That was before Mae went West wasn't it?

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Yes, way before.

Even earlier than the Battle of Lucille Ball's Bluff.

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Did they ever find her?

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Yes, in an unmarked grave, in Desi Arnaz, Iowa.

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Really? Is that anywhere near Whitstable?

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No, you're thinking of the Duchess of Kent.

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Back on hypocrites, Big Hearted Arthur is taking the NUM to court because they have stopped his perks, it appears he was getting £25000 a year for nout and they stopped it, now he wants his day in court quite obviously he needs the cash to live the life he's become accustomed too and his lovely castle does needs maintaining after all!

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Buzz off.

Arthur Askey was never a miner.

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Oh yes he was. They put him in charge of the canaries, on acount of his height. That's where he learned to sing. Do you know nothing?

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Neither was Scargill that's why he was a Union Leader, he loved to talk about work whilst never really doing any:rolleyes:

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A politican then?

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