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Yvonne Fair - It Should Have been Me (Best Quality) - YouTube


As a fully paid up, out and proud, card carrying member of the Friends of Dorothy (uphill gardeners division), I would just like to say that the comments offered by HE Keith Cardinal O'Brien at the weekend on the subject of Gay Marriage are a complete load of cack. Moreover, they display a typical, reactionary, wilful misunderstanding of the intention of the proposed legislation. But then, like the press, the Church has never allowed the facts to get in the way of a good story/condemnation/witchhunt.

Similarly the justification for all this meddling by Call-me-Dave, gets up my, ever so slightly retrousse, nose as well. If he was a fellow Friend of Dorothy, I suppose I could understand it. But he isn't. And therein lies the problem.

For all of my life we happy breed of shirtlifters have been protesting our little pink socks off for the right to be treated just like anyone else. We are not victims, though some of us, I do admit, can overdo the martyr bit (Miss Tatchell) and end up being an embarrassment to everyone.

The vast majority of us would simply like to get on with our lives without let or hinderance, just like everyone else. We didn't need hate speech and we didn't need bullying. We didn't need the police breathing down our necks at every turn and we didn't want to feel the need to have to apologise for who and what we are. All that is now sorted. And now that we have Civil Partnerships the problem of wills, inheritance and tax is sorted too. And that's it really. It's taken 50 years to achieve but it is now all enshrined in law and it is something everyone should be proud of; all of us are equal-hallelujah!

Then Call-me-Dave comes along and drops a fly in the ointment with his pathetic insistance that marriage is the universal panacea and homo's, however stately, anti-social or promiscuous should have their fair dose of it.

Well I'm sorry Dave, but we just don't want it. We never asked for it and apart from a few disco addled halfwits like Elton John, we have no need for it. Marriage, old son, is a contract between members of the opposite sex for the primary purpose of creating an ideal environment for the raising and education of children. It has nothing to offer us benders, apart from the chance to dress up in a ridiculous frock for a day, and we can already do that whenever we like anyway. We don't need some uptight straight bloke telling us what is good for us, we are more than capable of making that decision for ourselves and it is something that we could manage with a damn sight more style than you could ever hope to achieve. So, instead of trying to fix something which is not broken why don't you drop this stupid idea and try and fix something that is really broken; like the economy, you fat head.



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It does seem an odd battle for Cameron to want to take on.

Gay couples can legally have all the same rights now as a married partners.

This will be opposed by most churches, and you'd think Cameron had rather more pressing issues to address, like the economy.

The church in Scotland is very powerful.

I've faced them in a legal battle, and won, but it was very vicious, and I don't think the Tories are made of the same mettle.

I'm not sure I like all this new, hug-a-lezzy, embrace a rainbow hoodie, Tory Lite stuff.

It's unsettling.

You knew where you were in the old days.

With the hang 'em, and flog 'em brigade.

It's the M.P.s' rent boys you have to feel sorry for.

At this rate they could soon face redundancy.

Well Acrilic, I can tell you are a touch liverish, about this, cos' otherwise you would have broken that into paragraphs.

Meanwhile, may I thank you?

So far as gay marriages were concerned I have whispered similar myself, (whispered because we don't want to upset the gays, after all you know what they are like).

How sensible,

You have a partner, friend, companion, but without some legal piece of paper you can't be by their bedside because you aren't a relative.

How cruel is that?

Nobody should go through it!

I have 'gay' friends they deserve the same but expect no more than my 'straight friends'.

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Perkins?

I always wondered where you managed to get outfits in your size.


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I think that religion should keep its blood stained hands away from politics full stop. A government can't possibly make decisions beneficial to a multi-cultural nation if it panders to the whims of any one faith.

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I'd kill for a ring on my finger.

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Is that said with a frankie howard voice g?:D:D

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But on my screen it is Uncle Less. Honest.

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Hahahaha , that cracked me up :D

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No, with more of a lily savage twang.

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Its a tad hypocritical of the RC church who seem to think harbouring perverts and paedophiles is ok,but to give the right of marriage to a loving and consenting couple of adults of the same sex is abhorrent, and terrible no wonder the "modern" church is losing punters they need to come out of the dark ages.

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Think your spot on with that Less, I have a few gay friends, why should they be treated any different. The Church (of any denomination make me sick on this subject)there should be consideration shown to all levels of society, when are these puritanical prats, who know very little about life, because to be quite honest, they have never lived it going to get a life. Homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice, a 11 or 12 year old doesn't suddenly wake up one morning and say hay I've decided I'm going to be gay, its time these clerics took time out and relies that we're all gods children and stop treating gays as the spawn of the devil:mad:

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Yes should have known that:D

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That's' Lillian' to you, Miss Acidic-babs.

;):D

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She can be very touchy around this time of the month. But we love her anyway.

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Another thing that really got up my nose was the House of Lords, the week before last, refusing a posthumous pardon for Alan Turing.

For those of you who are not familiar with Turing's story and why a pardon matters so much, read this....

Britain's Greatest Codebreaker: the tragic story of Alan Turing - Telegraph



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Sorry couldn't resist....

French Dawn - Vicar of Dibley funniest ever wedding - YouTube


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Surely he doesn't need a pardon?
The people needing forgiveness are the ones that prosecuted him and chemically castrated him?

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You are a wiser man than me, Less.

No Bob, just looking for the truth, the world lost a gifted man with plenty to offer when he was left broken and biting on that apple he poisoned, at least he found himself some peace.

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Less is right.

He, like many other good, decent people, did break the law.

Unjust, cruel laws.

He doesn't need a mealy-mouthed, retrospective pardon.

Today society has reclaimed him.

Reclaimed him as a genius, who because of his immense mental capabilities helped this country remain a democracy, and who took his life because he lived in unenlightened times.

Manchester recognised him years ago by naming a road after him.

All the way through history genius has been a different animal to we mere mortals,

sexual 'preference'? Orientation? Isn't the same as sexual deviance.

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Totally agree, you can't undo whats been done in the past, so long as mistakes are learnt from, that's what really matters

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I can't wait for the first puffter marriage in the new Accy mosque.

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Has the religion of peace become ... erm peaceful :rolleyes:

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Some are much too busy slavering over their bacha bazis, to spend anytime worrying over Cameron's plan.

Bacha bazi - YouTube

Still, at least their wives and daughters are left in peace.

Hidden away, veiled from head to toe.

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Not exactly what you might call 'Great Art' is it?

It seems the more I learn about the religion of peace the more I wish I hadn't bothered.

The truly frightening thing of course is that a lot of these dancing boys actually choose to do this as a way of bettering themselves. I heard one explain on the radio the other week that he hoped one day to be a 'war lord' too, so that he could keep dancing boys of his own.

And to think that the gormless Americans boasted of bombing Afghanistan back to the stone age. *

* ( I'm not allowed to swear anymore so you will have to make up your own expletives and just imagine that I wrote them. )


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Be honest Bob, every religion wants to justify itself, whatever could be wrong with slaying a few Dragons now and then?





(Unless of course you happen to be a Dragon?).

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I've been watching the new series on BBC4 about Catholics.

The first programme was about a seminary in Chelsea, in which it was revealed that there were only seventeen new priests ordained in the U.K. last year.

This week's programme was about a primary school in Chipping.

Great kids, nice teachers, jolly priest.

However, I was genuinely shocked at what they were being taught, as part of their state funded education.

Flesh eating, blood drinking, kissing the feet of idols, not listening to fallen angels, as you'd go straight to the fires of eternal Hell.

If it had been about any other religion, and not Christianity, there'd be outrage.

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There are those who think Dan Brown is a brilliant fiction writer, I'm not too sure myself, whether its all fiction or not:rolleyes::rolleyes: