Charity Collectors On Broadway
 

Not the chuggers but the collectors. Does anyone actually check them out ?

Last week and on several previous occasions there have been collections for Help The Heroes, couple of rings of red buckets and a speaker blaring out music, usually the same song all day.

The same people are there this week with the same setup, but have now swapped the H4H stickers for Christies.

Are they legit ?

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Don't they have to have a licence to do that? Bit suspicious, same folk collecting for two different organisations.

Edit: found this on the www

It is illegal in this country to hold a Street Collection to collect money or sell articles for the benefit of charitable or other purposes without obtaining a Street Collection Licence from the Council if that collection is to be held 'in a street or public place'. A 'public place' is a 'place where the public has access'.

If they have a licence they should be able to produce it if you ask to see it.

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HBC website:

Street Collection Licences - Street Collection Licences

From that page:

Street collections must be for a charitable purpose but do not need to be by a registered charity. Money is collected in tins. Regulations govern this type of collection.

The purpose of the legal requirement to obtain consent is to ensure collectors are properly authorised and that money is collected in a secure way and the total proceeds collected are properly accounted for.

The buckets don't sound right to me!

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When they where last there it was a bunch of teenagers collecting, are they teenagers again Dave? I'd say late teens?

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Yep, and a dog :)

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Hmmm one gangly looking lad and two girls, it needs reporting

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I used to be a charity volunteer for Christies against cancer .I always had to carry identity issued by Christies , this also carried my photo.Street collections had to go through the correct chanels , I think the council or town hall.

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I have asked Clare Pritchard (who is the Cabinet member with the responsiblity for issuing the licences)to check whether these people have been issued with a licence to carry out street collections in Hyndburn.

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Nice one claytonender its worth checking out imho.

Well done, just a shame we don't have a Police force to move them and bench wreckers away from our Centre.

Oops sorry the benches were fine until they were moved, no sign of replacements and an authority to keep them clean for ordinary folk yet?

No, I thought not.

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Friday 20th April we're doing a collection, and providing information, as part of Parkinson's Awareness Week.

Licence applied for, and granted.

So if you see us looking a bit shifty, it's because we're trying not to shake our tins, because you're not supposed to do that.

It's going to be a bit of a challenge.

:D

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Well years ago, there were stringent test if you wanted a street collection, I used to run one each year for the National Asthma Campaign, its seems funny that they were blaring music out, when we got the rules and regs your not even supposed to shake the tins

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Take some photos, including close-ups of faces and anything which says who they are collecting for. Do it again next week. TYhere musty be somebody at the police station who will take an interst in them. A PCSO won't do. Needs somebody with a power of arrest.

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I wonder who has the authority to check them out and what would happen if they don't have a license.

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See post 8,;)

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I have seen that but I doubt a Councillor can ask to see a persons license. It will probably be some council officers and I was wondering who.

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If I remember rightly Neil you get a letter from the Licensing authority, which list all the dos and don'ts and I think must be available for inspection on the day of collection, I always used to take that letter with me when out collecting. Just seen your above post Neil, would think any councillor could ask to see the authorisation

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From HBC website:

Only local authorities issue street collection licences under Section 5 of the Police, Factories, etc. (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1916, as amended by the Local Government Act 1972 and Schedule 29 of that Act.

As it's an offence under this law not to have a licence then surely it's down to the police to check them out and prosecute. Probably means it'll never happen.

Don't think councillors would have any authority at all.

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well if benches are removed to stop alcholics gathering in town center then maybe ban money from town center so theres no reason for charity collectors to be there.

i dont see any point in wasting police time with crime infact not getting them to do their job is working so well why start making them do it now?

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I saw some collectors on Broadway today in silly hats collecting for Marie Curie cancer care.

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Thank you for the info, I also do not think a councillor has any authority to enforce anything the council is responsible for like licensing or litter/dog fines etc

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Why don't the Police just have a copy of who has a licence to collect for each week and then when on duty they could check??:confused:

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Probably cost too much in admin for the council to send a list to the police.

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What a first class stamp, they have been known to send out, by post, a final demands for 2p none payment of council tax susie:rolleyes:

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The register of licenses may be available for public view at the council offices. This is doing my blood pressure no good. The offences here isn't just collecting without a licence, but obtaining money ( a pecuniary advantage) by deception.It is a matter for the police.

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if you want the police to act ring 999 and report them.Every 999 call has to be responed to but the calls do get prooritised so it could be up to 2-3 days until they attend depending how serious the think obtaining money by deception is

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To be fair here, we don't know whether this 'profusion' (don't know the collective noun for collectors :D ) of charity collectors were operating illegally.

Understand this is a duty that has been consigned to the PCSO's, so that Police Officers can get on with other important matters.

We also don't know how often they check up on them, do we. I feel sure they will quite often. So doesn't seem fair to criticise the Police Force here without knowing any facts.

It would be the Council, from what I gather, that would decide on a prosecution or not.

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surely if they are operating without a licence they are obtaining money by deception which is an issue for the police.If they are a propper fund raising group they would be squeaky clean and adhere to the rules.If someone is collecting without a licence/permission its not too far a stretch to assume the money is going diectly into their pockets at the end of the day.

i dont think theres any problem if somone thinks something is amiss and decides to ring the police especially as the same group of people are collecting for multiple charities which in its self is odd unless people are now paid to collect money which seems even more odd

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Not as odd as you think accyman, you want to take a look at the balance sheet of most of the national charities, and see just how much money is paid in wages, will open your eyes, it certainly opened mine.

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Honestly, I am not even sure about this. Some Councils talk about 'Council Enforcement Staff' who carry out this enforcement. Are they part of the Lawyers' Office ? Staff appears to be low on the ground for approaching street collectors, and haven't time to wander the streets looking for culprits. Also, most don't work on Saturdays.

Perhaps the police only get involved when there is disruption to the flow of foot fall or some sort of franchais breaks out ?

I would presume that once someone is prosecuted for having no licence, then any suspected fraudulent activities may be reported to the police.

Don't think any of the posters on this thread actually know the facts, we're all just speculating ....:)

Will look forward to Cllr. Pritchard filling us in on this.

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Standard policing then ;)

Nope, standard policing is, ignore a thief stop a motorist.

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What a load of balderdash.

Motor policing is a different division to criminal policing.

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Thats balderdash, whilst motor police are a different division, Those pulling the strings put more focus into easy targets like motorists imho.:rolleyes:

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To what end ?

Why would they want to do that ? :confused:

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Money & Power, cops get an ego boost from stopping motorists, and the money in fines goes into the kitty.
Same way they tackle society, they'd sooner take on 3 pensioners with zimmer frames, than 3 yobs with bike chains.
Retlaw

Yeah right, so if a motor policeman saw a bank robbery he would ignore it would he?

Point scoring nil, irritation factor, less than a flea bite.

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Because the motorist is an easy target and doesn't need any leg work to carry out

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Of course not, I believe they are obliged to react to a situation which may be out of their remit.

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i saw a police officer doing its job today .He was about 9ft tall slim with a grey complextion and yellow hair.He had a twinkle in his eye that seemed to be directed at motorists which i thought was very friendly of him.He was working very hard indeed.

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Banning hasn't worked Shelter are on Broadway now, rung council who said they will send someone down. Spoke to lady from shelter who said they are only banned from certain areas like Burnley! Said no accrington, well only certain areas we're allowed on Broadway, told her they were banned, why! was her response. Doh.

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Good informative post

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I did ask Shelter woman on Friday if they had a licence to be begging & she said her boss (and pointed to someone loitering in the old Jack Fultons doorway) had a licence. The council when I rang them said that their licence could have been issued before the ban, & he would check with his boss when she was back from lunch in 20mins. Strange that when I went back onto Broadway (only a few mins later mind) they had vanished. Did they have a licence? Did they know they shouldn't have been there? I wont hesitate to question street beggars again.

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I think I've solved this one.

Today it's Guide Dogs for the Blind, once again same set up as the others, ring of buckets, sound system and the added novelty of stuffed dogs !!

I asked one of them to see the permit which he did show me, having said that I wouldn't know if it was legit or not.

I then rang Guide Dogs for the Blind who said somebody does collect on their behalf with this type of set up and also collects for Help the Heroes.

From the name she gave me I came up with this;

UK Charity Aid About Charity Aid

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We'll be there, next Friday.

No dogs.

No music blaring out.

No begging.

No permit.

:eek:

Whoops.

Yes, with permit.

:D

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From what I understood of the article in the press it was to ban the so called charity chuggers, the one's that try & get your bank details & set up direct debits. Other collections i.e the tin shakers & bucket collectors as far as I know are still allowed.Thats why I asked Shelter what they were doing as they are well known for parading with their clip boards trying to get people's bank details, not shaking tins. This is from the Lancs Telegraph:
'INTRUSIVE’ charity collectors are set to be banned from operating in Accrington town centre.
Under new proposals, which cover Broadway and Market Way, Hyndburn Council plans to put an end to workers who collect personal data and set up direct debits on the street.The practice is known as chugging, short for ‘charity mugging’. The council said traditional ‘tin collectors’ will still be welcome in the town.Under the new rules, charity collectors would need to apply for permits under which personal data collecting and ‘hard sell’ tactics would be banned.

Personally Ive no problem with the tin shakers, its the agressive types like Shelter that follow & hassle you to get you to hand over your personal details that are the problem.

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It's actually against the law, to shake your collecting tins.

Bit hard for a Parkinson's charity.

:D

As for chugging...not a chance.

I'm much to lazy to chase anyone up and down Broadway.

:D

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Trust you ! :D :D
It's also against big issue laws to sell it sat down, do you think if I take a photo of "big issue darling" & send it to them we might get rid of the banshee?

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Lol. I'm taking a deckchair, and expecting good weather.

:hothothot

:cool:

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I know you shouldn't but give them tins a good shaking Rindi:D

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I'm thinking about hiring tambourines.

In the hope of raising more money.




By passing ourselves off as the Band of Hope.

:D

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Hallelujah :D

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Information for Help for Heroes Only
I am a local Volunteer Help for Heroes Coordinator who unfortunately is never around when the Help for Heroes collectors are on Broadway and I would therefore appreciate your help to check if they are genuine fundraisers. Please ask them for their Help for Heroes Event/ID number then either post it on here (I can pm my mobile) or telephone Help for Heroes on 01725 514 105. The number can then be checked on the database to confirm if the street collection has been registered with the charity.


Help for Heroes Approval Guidelines for Street Collections
Before we can approve the registration we need to know the dates and locations of each collection. We also need to ensure that fundraisers understand that they will require a licence for street collections or permission for other collections.
Once we have received the details and are happy with the information, we can approve the registration and the fundraiser is issued with an ID number (street collections begin with 39)
The reference number will only be valid for the collection dates and venues we know about. Fundraisers will be asked to inform us of any new collection dates and venues so that our records are kept up to date.
If we receive enquiries from the authorities or members of the general public regarding a collection, we will not be able to confirm that they are a registered fundraiser, if we don’t have that actual collection date and location registered on our database. Fundraisers are reminded of this and asked to ensure that they have the necessary collecting licence from their local authority.
Authorisation Letters to apply for a licence from a local authority
Authorisation letters will need to specify the date and location of each collection. We will not be able to do a general letter approving numerous collections with no date or location. This will hopefully protect us and the general public from fraudulent collectors. If it is not practical to state specific collections, an expiry date will need to be included of three months from the date of issue. If a new letter is required to replace the expired version, we will need to ensure that we have received donations before we issue a replacement.

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You don't have to go naked now, your t-shirts are ready :)

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Thank you so much.

Will be in before three today.

You're a star.

:)