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walkinman221 02-04-2012 21:05

Falklands will it happen again
 
As people demonstrate and riot in Buenos aeries, and we remember the dead from the first falklands campaign thirty years ago. Are we heading for war again with Argentina, and if we are is it worth fighting over? If Argentina do invade will we fight or is the time for colonial outposts gone forever.

Wynonie Harris 02-04-2012 21:10

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Don't think the Argies have the forces to fight their way out of a paper bag. As for whether it's worth fighting over, everyone who lives there wants to stay British and you can't put a price on democracy.

Anyway, there's oil there! ;)

walkinman221 02-04-2012 21:12

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 982043)
Don't think the Argies have the forces to fight their way out of a paper bag. As for whether it's worth fighting over, everyone who lives there wants to stay British and you can't put a price on democracy.

Anyway, there's oil there! ;)

Very true steve your last bit of your post could be he most telling bit;)

Mancie 02-04-2012 21:23

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I doubt Argentina would attempt any armed invasion, at the same time I doubt our armed forces could respond as they did in 1982, our own defence cuts have been constant since then.

ToffeeGuy 02-04-2012 21:25

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Britain will give the Falklands to the Argentinians when they, as descendants of Spanish colonialists, give Argentina back to the indigenous people of South America.

The fact is that the Falklands have never been Argentinian. Their only claim is based on geographical location.

cashman 02-04-2012 21:28

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 982048)
I doubt Argentina would attempt any armed invasion, at the same time I doubt our armed forces could respond as they did in 1982, our own defence cuts have been constant since then.

That sums things up very well to me.;)

Wynonie Harris 02-04-2012 21:30

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 982048)
I doubt Argentina would attempt any armed invasion, at the same time I doubt our armed forces could respond as they did in 1982, our own defence cuts have been constant since then.

Our own armed forces wouldn't need to respond as they did in 1982. The Argies have whittled their defences away to practically nothing since that time. Their only hope is to persuade other Latin countries to join them in trade war. These countries might pay lip service but as most of 'em don't really like the Argies, they won't sign up to any embargoes in a hurry. Don't worry, our oil...sorry, fellow British citizens...are safe! ;)

accyman 02-04-2012 22:33

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america will help this time because a few years ago oil was discovered there ;-)

maxthecollie 03-04-2012 07:47

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I wouldn't put anything past the Argies.

jaysay 03-04-2012 08:34

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 982106)
I wouldn't put anything past the Argies.

No I haven forgot the "Hand of God" yet the cheating little git:D

Wrighty 03-04-2012 08:38

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While they are drilling for oil around the Falklands there is no way this country will give it up!

As for will it happen again .. Imo this is just another smoke screen for all the crap that is going on here

accyman 03-04-2012 09:56

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 982114)
While they are drilling for oil around the Falklands there is no way this country will give it up!

As for will it happen again .. Imo this is just another smoke screen for all the crap that is going on here

yep like cameron trying to sneak new laws through allowing government to spy openly on ALL peoples internet activity in real time.Everyone assumed guilty of terrorism untill proven otherwise but best watch everyone as well just to be sure

jaysay 03-04-2012 09:58

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 982131)
yep like cameron trying to sneak new laws through allowing government to spy openly on ALL peoples internet activity in real time.Everyone assumed guilty of terrorism untill proven otherwise but best watch everyone as well just to be sure

If you've nout to hide you've nout to bother about;)

Wrighty 03-04-2012 12:06

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982132)
If you've nout to hide you've nout to bother about;)

Its an invasion of privacy simple as that & shouldn't be allowed

lancsdave 03-04-2012 12:34

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 982043)
Anyway, there's oil there! ;)


Scotland has oil but handing it ovet to the Argies sounds good to me :D

accyman 03-04-2012 13:35

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982132)
If you've nout to hide you've nout to bother about;)

i shut my curtains at night because i dont want people looking in .Im not doing any wrong i just want privacey.Its exactly the same with my computer im not doing any wrong and if teh government thinks i am they shoudl get a warrant to search my computer not spy on me.

this is the UK not iran or china

just another abuse of power under the word terrorism

Any self respecting terrorist will use a proxy outside of teh uk and the government wont be able to monitor them so this law basically monitors everyone but terrorists

MargaretR 03-04-2012 13:42

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Laws get changed.
What is legal today may be illegal tomorrow.

kestrelx 03-04-2012 13:54

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 982158)
i shut my curtains at night because i dont want people looking in .Im not doing any wrong i just want privacey.Its exactly the same with my computer im not doing any wrong and if teh government thinks i am they shoudl get a warrant to search my computer not spy on me.

this is the UK not iran or china

just another abuse of power under the word terrorism

Any self respecting terrorist will use a proxy outside of teh uk and the government wont be able to monitor them so this law basically monitors everyone but terrorists

Is it censorship by intimidation? That is people will be scared what they say in e-mails just in case some Government agent is keeping records - where will it lead? If I say "Terrorist" in an e-mail will that mean my e-mail is worthy of further scrutiny?

Who really knows? They say they'll need a warrant to actually read e-mails?

Better not say anything about Argentina then! lol :D

kestrelx 03-04-2012 13:56

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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 982042)
As people demonstrate and riot in Buenos aeries, and we remember the dead from the first falklands campaign thirty years ago. Are we heading for war again with Argentina, and if we are is it worth fighting over? If Argentina do invade will we fight or is the time for colonial outposts gone forever.

I doubt it - they don't have the weapons they had back then - their air force is depleted to what it was then - they are not fit to fight these days! :jimbo:

Gordon Booth 03-04-2012 14:50

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Just supposing you were feeling really sneaky-
A Boeing 747/400 belonging to Aerolineas Argentinas sends out a mayday signal and requests an immediate emergency landing at Port Stanley (during darkness). It would have to be allowed to land!
As soon as it stops the emergency slides drop and 1500 Argentinean Special Service troops flood out(the 747/400 can carry 660 passengers with seats installed so without seats 1500 troops would be possible). They're supposed to be good, not like the conscripts in 1982!
We only have 1200 troops in total, not that many of them will be deployed at the airfield!
Once they have the airfield troop carriers already airborne come in or they parachute in re-enforcements. A 747 cargo plane could even bring in a few armoured vehicles.
Typhoons can't take off, no airfield, Type 45 destroyer and nuclear sub- no use.
Your move, UK!
It was mentioned on BBC internet and the more you develop the idea(if you're a sneaky Argie) the more possible it seems.
Didn't the Israelis do something similar in Uganda and it worked?

Wrighty 03-04-2012 14:54

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 982160)
Laws get changed.
What is legal today may be illegal tomorrow.

And the only reason this is happening is so the elites can further there agenda & persecute anyone who speaks out against what the government are doing :rolleyes:

Boeing Guy 03-04-2012 15:28

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 982176)
Just supposing you were feeling really sneaky-
A Boeing 747/400 belonging to Aerolineas Argentinas sends out a mayday signal and requests an immediate emergency landing at Port Stanley (during darkness). It would have to be allowed to land!
As soon as it stops the emergency slides drop and 1500 Argentinean Special Service troops flood out(the 747/400 can carry 660 passengers with seats installed so without seats 1500 troops would be possible). They're supposed to be good, not like the conscripts in 1982!
We only have 1200 troops in total, not that many of them will be deployed at the airfield!

A few small problems with that, Aerolineas Argentinas don't have any Boeing 747-400's in their fleet.
The largest aircraft they have is a Airbus 340 with 287 seats, if you were really lucky you might, just might get 500 troops in with their guns, but thats about it.

Next the exit, well from experience, I can tell you there is no way you are going to exit a aircraft with any equipment attached to you, no bergens no guns and no boots, unless of course you want the slide to tear in the first few men out.

Lastly although Aerolineas Argentinas do fly out of Hermes Quijada International Airport, Rio Grande, this being the only real airport they could use for a possible diversion into the Falklands, the only destination is Buenos Aires, which is no where near the islands.

Before anyone makes assumptions about having a change of flight plan, or not following one, well although they could do that, they will be monitored from their transponder, if they turn it off, they will defienatly be followed and have a very warm reception awaiting them.
The flight plan has to be filed and the Falkland Defenses will have a copy of it, thats the ruels, otherwise again a warm recpetion once they land.

Sounds like a Armchair pilot on the BBC website

Gordon Booth 03-04-2012 16:18

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Now you've spoilt it for me, Boeing Guy! I was going to try to raise funding for a film but I won't bother now.
I was even going to make you a star doing the stunt flying in the 747 dodging Rapier missiles!

Funnily enough if you google Argentine+Airlines Aerolineas is listed as having a 747/200?
I suppose jumping out of the top deck of a 747 opposite a couple of machine gun nests could be a bit iffy but they're only Argies after all and if it didn't work we'd have won again, wouldn't we?

Gordon Booth 03-04-2012 16:52

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 982188)

Funnily enough if you google Argentine+Airlines Aerolineas is listed as having a 747/200?

Correction- they did have a 747/200 and a 400 but both are retired, must be an old photo.
All right, the whole idea is rubbish, I won't give up my day job.

Boeing Guy 03-04-2012 16:53

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Don't sweat it Gordon, it would make a good plot for a book though.
Maybe use steel ramps instead of the slides....

jaysay 03-04-2012 17:08

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 982143)
Its an invasion of privacy simple as that & shouldn't be allowed

There not interested in me or you, don't believe everything the Guardian spouts out, if by better surveillance of electronic messaging it avoids another 7/7 that's fine by me

jaysay 03-04-2012 17:09

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 982178)
And the only reason this is happening is so the elites can further there agenda & persecute anyone who speaks out against what the government are doing :rolleyes:

You do talk some utter unadulterated crap

Wrighty 03-04-2012 17:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982196)
There not interested in me or you, don't believe everything the Guardian spouts out, if by better surveillance of electronic messaging it avoids another 7/7 that's fine by me

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982197)
You do talk some utter unadulterated crap

They are interested in anybody who doesn't agree with what the government are doing .. & as for 7/7 there is a lot of unanswered questions .. but you believe anything msm tell ya like a good old chap .. nothing to see here .. move along plz

I talk crap ? lol .. I haven't got my head in the sand unlike some people :rolleyes:

jaysay 03-04-2012 18:10

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 982213)
They are interested in anybody who doesn't agree with what the government are doing .. & as for 7/7 there is a lot of unanswered questions .. but you believe anything msm tell ya like a good old chap .. nothing to see here .. move along plz

I talk crap ? lol .. I haven't got my head in the sand unlike some people :rolleyes:

No its stuck firmly up your rear end

Wrighty 03-04-2012 18:32

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982224)
No its stuck firmly up your rear end

Nothing else better to say eh ? , Look if people want to believe the msm so be it , but at end of the day they are government run & will only tell you what the government want you yo know .. why do you think they are after locking down the internet ? because people are waking up to the corruption & the lies they spout!

jaysay 03-04-2012 18:40

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 982239)
Nothing else better to say eh ? , Look if people want to believe the msm so be it , but at end of the day they are government run & will only tell you what the government want you yo know .. why do you think they are after locking down the internet ? because people are waking up to the corruption & the lies they spout!

Well its better being out in the open that being done clandestine like it has been done in the past, I honestly don't see the problem if you've nothing to hide they don't have the personnel to sort through everybody's email, texts, twitter or what ever and why would they want to, people are chasing shadows when there's no shadows to chase, plus the fact is there will be stringent regulations as well

cashman 03-04-2012 18:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982241)
Well its better being out in the open that being done clandestine like it has been done in the past, I honestly don't see the problem if you've nothing to hide they don't have the personnel to sort through everybody's email, texts, twitter or what ever and why would they want to, people are chasing shadows when there's no shadows to chase, plus the fact is there will be stringent regulations as well

That stringent important personal documents can be dumped in bins as already has happened?:rolleyes:

jaysay 03-04-2012 18:46

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 982243)
That stringent important personal documents can be dumped in bins as already has happened?:rolleyes:

And has been happening for years, by irresponsible numpties who no politician can legislate for, but electronic mail is a different kettle of fish

cashman 03-04-2012 18:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982247)
And has been happening for years, by irresponsible numpties who no politician can legislate for, but electronic mail is a different kettle of fish

Thats true the hackers find out much easier.;)

jaysay 04-04-2012 08:58

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 982259)
That's true the hackers find out much easier.;)

Well ya when some kid in his back bedroom can hack into the Pentagon, there's nothing really safe is there:D

Eric 04-04-2012 13:20

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 982106)
I wouldn't put anything past the Argies.

Or the yanks ... those sob's have tunnel vision when it comes to oil ... and, let's face it, they consider South and Central America to be well and truly in their sphere of influence.

Eric 04-04-2012 13:31

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 982132)
If you've nout to hide you've nout to bother about;)

C'mon ... that's not the point ... it's too much like ditching the presumption of innocence. Sure, there are those out there planning terrorist attacks. But why waste time and resources monitoring the probably innocent, while the bad guys go ahead with their plans. What could be done, in all countries in danger of attacks from Islamic militants, is to target dodgey Islamist organizations. Forget the PC garbage, and monitor likely sources of problems. I don't see many problems emmanating from radical C of E adherents or Conservative riding assosciations.

And, shouldn't that be "nowt":confused:;)

Neil 04-04-2012 15:31

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 982475)
C'mon ... that's not the point ... it's too much like ditching the presumption of innocence. Sure, there are those out there planning terrorist attacks. But why waste time and resources monitoring the probably innocent, while the bad guys go ahead with their plans. What could be done, in all countries in danger of attacks from Islamic militants, is to target dodgey Islamist organizations. Forget the PC garbage, and monitor likely sources of problems. I don't see many problems emmanating from radical C of E adherents or Conservative riding assosciations.

And, shouldn't that be "nowt":confused:;)

If they are able to monitor everyone then no individual group could argue they were being targeted.

Those with someone to hide would just find another way to communicate.

I think email encryption would start to become a lot more common as well.

Gordon Booth 04-04-2012 15:41

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 982488)
If they are able to monitor everyone then no individual group could argue they were being targeted.

Every individual group could argue they were being targeted, as could every individual! Use the wrong 'trigger' word, name or phrase and your details would leap out on a screen as requiring investigation.
They couldn't constantly monitor all of us but they could easily highlight those they thought they should!
Some of the posters on Accyweb would leap out on a few screens!


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