Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 984997)

25 firemen banned from saving bird stuck in pond | The Sun |News

Health and Safety rules mean fire brigade can't use their initiative and go in 3ft of water!

This article talks about them being unable to save a seagull!

But in the recent past 2 people have drowned because the firebrigade arn't aloud to go in 3 ft of water!

A few years ago I called in a neighbour who'd gone out leaving a pan on the cooker! There was no fire! 3 Fire engines turned up and it took about 10 officers to remove the window to go in and turn off the cooker! Seemed like a waste of resources!:rolleyes:

This could happen in Accrington!

Originally Posted by claytonx (Post 985012)

How do they know the water is 3ft deep do they have a measuring stick with depth marks on it, I suppose one of the firemen will have been on a day course to be able to judge the position.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 985026)

Why didn't the fire brigade just tell them to phone the RSPCA instead of wasting the time of the fire brigade! :eek:

Originally Posted by claytonx (Post 985012)

How do they know the water is 3ft deep do they have a measuring stick with depth marks on it, I suppose one of the firemen will have been on a day course to be able to judge the position.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 984997)

Health and Safety rules mean fire brigade can't use their initiative and go in 3ft of water!

This article talks about them being unable to save a seagull!

But in the recent past 2 people have drowned because the firebrigade arn't aloud to go in 3 ft of water!

A few years ago I called in a neighbour who'd gone out leaving a pan on the cooker! There was no fire! 3 Fire engines turned up and it took about 10 officers to remove the window to go in and turn off the cooker! Seemed like a waste of resources!:rolleyes:

This could happen in Accrington!

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 985018)

Obviously someone phoned the fire department in the first place. Why not just wade into the water and free the damned bird.:confused: Health and Safety seems to have gone beyond the bounds of what many call common sense. When our grandfathers and great grandfathers fought (sometimes literally) for safe working conditions in the factories and the mines, I don't think that they had this sort of bs in mind.

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 985035)

I find that your habit of ending every sentence and every thread title that you post with an exclamation mark!

Originally Posted by Less (Post 985060)

Got to confess I'm a touch addicted to the old ! Myself.

It gives a wonderful expression to the frustration that I couldn't call a person exactly what I thought because this is a family site.

Mind you, I also have a thing about brackets, as in,

(Back in the good old days, we could curse and swear as much as we liked, (but then folk introduced their kids to the site.) this in turn caused problems, to solve the problems swearing was banned, (I would have banned kids), (it's a bit like letting women into working mens clubs, they are dying now)).

Yes well looking back at the above, too much of a good thing gets a little tedious, can't guarantee it from birdman, I however will try to refrain from, ! & (), if it makes it easier for you perhaps other members will refrain from:-

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It may just make reading a little more difficult,
But YOU will be happy.

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 985069)

And I certainly WON'T be happy if people stop using all those punctuation marks because nothing will make any sense at all.

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 985069)

Less, don't be naughty, I've never had a problem with your punctuation, or with most of your posts for that matter, you know that.

Folks can use what punctuation they like, it's a free country (or am I being controversial there?), I was merely offering some friendly advice to the birdie.

And I certainly WON'T be happy if people stop using all those punctuation marks because nothing will make any sense at all.

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 985050)

Yet another non-story from the redtop rag based on a falsehood, leading to a 'let's bash the health and safety rules' again.

First of all, the HSE do NOT, per se, make these rules. They investigate accidents, incidents and near misses and apportion blame if safety procedures are lax.

It's usually the idiots who don't know how to create risk assessments that are to blame. The kind of people who write 10 pages about how to deal with wet floors in kitchens when a simple 'Danger - wet floor' sign is perfectly adequate.

Of course Firemen are allowed to wade into 3ft of water if human life is at stake, point here is we are talking, to quote Michael Parkinson, about a 'bloody bird'. There is no telling what debris, pothole, sinkhole or any other danger may have been submerged in that 'shallow pond'. Do you seriously expect a public servant to risk life or limb over what is basically a rodent of the air?

Does the person who called the fire brigade live in Trumpton? Did he expect Pugh, Hugh and Barney Mcgrew to turn up, save Sally Seagull and return her to a grateful Windy Miller?

Anyone with common sense would have called the RSPCA not the emergency services...it wasn't an emergency.

As for your cooker example, seems perfectly reasonable to me, these guys know all about the dangers of backdrafts, flashovers, and unattended pans on cookers. I'm also guessing that these engines were equipped differently to allow for any eventuality, although not being a fireman i'm prepared to be wrong on that one.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 985142)

It has been standard practice for donkeys years, that a minimum of two Fire Appliances attend all house fires.
As for the Tip Rat in a pond, or a cat up a tree, why should any one risk life or limb, when a good shot will solve the problem. Too many tree & bunny huggers, creating problems that don't exist.
Retlaw.