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good, I don't want to work for you

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Thats both of us happy then. yeh will go a long way in business lol

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Working in housing myself I know the impact this is going to have on us. We have highlighted those who are under occupying and have awarded a higher priority for them to move if they so wish but also advised them what they are likely to pay if they choose not to.

There is however another option open to some people and that is to apply for a DHP (discretionary housing payment). Each council has had an extra amount given them for this pot of money due to these changes in HB. The most likely to receive this payment are:

1 - someone living in a home adapted to their needs (adaptations like stair lift, ramps, wet rooms etc)

2 - foster carers

3 - pregnant women who when the child is born will no longer be occupying

4 - some cases where the person has applied to move to a smaller property but has not been successful yet

5 - other cases based on individual circumstances

hope this helps as many have no idea about the DHP fund

Of course this will change once again when universal credit comes in as there will be no housing benefit as an allocation for rent charges will be added to the universal credit and paid direct to the tenant not the landlord!!!

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That seems a backward step. Mine goes straight to the Landlord, after all it's his money.

O.K. whatever is given to me in future will be paid to my Landlord, however I can see that some won't do that, causing problems for the the whole system, how is this going to be a better way?

The responsible on benefit will still be responsible, the irresponsible will spend the money forcing the Landlord to spend money on evictions and at the end of the day more money will end up being spent re-housing folk that will continue to be irresponsible.
:confused:

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what makes it even worse is that universal credit which will include elements for housing will also be paid monthly (calendar month not four weekly)

The thought behind is quite good as it is to emulate a wage as most jobs pay monthly now so the transition for people into work budget wise will be easy

BUT in reality it is going to be a nightmare for soooo many!!!

Anyway sorry went off topic re housing benefit

wonder how many of you know the changes regarding Council tax benefit too???

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Please do tell, my Landlord has been good enough to warn me, my Council hasn't.
:(

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Well at least that will fall in line with being able to set up a DD, if I know when it's coming in I can have it paid straight out, though of course I would rather have the miracle of miracles a succesful job interview then this nightmare might end.
:)

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National council tax benefit, which is calculated the same across all councils will come to an end next March and will be changed to a localised council tax allowance. This could be a nightmare and even more so create a postcode lottery as each council can set it's own remit on how it will work!!

Some councils have already announced that regardless of income a minimum of 10% of council tax must be paid by all and the rest will be means tested and an allowance awarded to those towards their council tax!

No noise from Hyndburn on how they are going to manage theirs but I do know that funding from the govt towards this has been cut dramatically

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So next April all those on benefits with a spare room can expect at least 10% rent increase and the rest 10% Council tax increase on top of that, can they also expect a means by which they will be able to pay this?
I, like the majority want to pay my way, I just wonder how I'll be able to, can't see a large amount of extra staff being needed by the companies struggling to survive at the moment.

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http://www.communities.gov.uk/docume...f/19510253.pdf

It infers that council tax changes are expected to fall in line with rent rule changes, so if you are a single person with two bedrooms you might lose the 25% discount, (but over pension age people won't).

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It doesn't mean Hyndburn will charge 10%, some councils are sticking to the current method dependant on their budgets of course

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Hang on though, maybe my Landlord, the Council and the Bailiffs will be taking on just to sort this out?

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Good point Less, I should put my name down now for an interview if I were you.

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WHAaaat? With my bad back? I'd never lift the paperwork!
:eek:

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If you don't live in a housing association property, how do they know how many bedrooms you have, and how many are occupied?
.....YOU told them!...remember the census:rolleyes:

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Many of the 2 up 2 downs have been here for over 100 years so I am sure they have had a few happen in that time.

The rateable value was also based on rooms/bedrooms/bathrooms etc so they will still have that information

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Bathrooms were installed in back bedrooms and not all had a bedroom partitioned off it.

PS not all internal changes were reported to the council - as a child I was aware that my parents didn't.

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If you claim benefits, you have to fill in a form, it asks how many rooms you have including bedrooms.
Of course people will tell them, would be stupid not to, otherwise you wouldn't get a payment.
We are talking about poor people here, a bedroom tax, also if you're claiming and single no longer getting single allowance even though you waste less than a family do.

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Now you know why they asked, in hindsight do you wish you had lied?

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It isn't 'sealed' to government access - they ask so they can use the info now.

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We have - but they haven't...

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No, you fool, do you not think they already have the information?

I think if i had a Private landlord I might have persuaded him to knock down the Partition thus making it a one bedroom house, however, I live in hopes that other folk aren't as brainless as you and will say this is wrong.

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The girl next door moved out.

Landlord put a notice up

3 Bedroom house no pets £120 per week

No wonder she moved out

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if you have a house priced at this,no problem,omg would i like thatA,hole ids, i mean smith to live and pay bills onten quid a day!

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EH:confused::confused:

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camoron has never done a decent work in his all life...and mrs c comes from one of the familys in the uk...work it out!

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ment one of the loaded family in the uk...sorry..

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do those cons care...think of it people...bedroom tax..pleaze these are people with money...ok mansion tax £two millon enough?...lets take mr ian ducun smith...how meny rooms in your ducun...get on your bike.show hows its done...we wanna know,

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I can see you're very fluent in some sort of language, what a pity it isn't English!

You're posts are very difficult to read and seem to lose a great deal of sense when I attempt to translate them.

It's a shame really, it is obvious that you are keen to join in.
:o

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The Lads obviously got something on his chest, 10 posts & most of them angry.

Not a happy bunny it seems. :rolleyes:

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Let's hope he coughs it up by tomorrow or he's gonna get banned methinks.

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I am starting to "get" Less and his posts about noobies

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I hope the getting, is that I have no wish to fall out with them, but often they get upset when I try to offer them some advice.

Well... actually, nah, it's still the new prescription drugs talking, I'm sure I'll be back to normal once my mind realises that it's being conned into a more sensitive attitude.
:)

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Oh my. Get some pints down you fast hehe

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maybe if you went back to school and learned a little about the English language we might just be able to decipher exactly what your talking about:rolleyes:

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Has the first of the Romanians arrived? Will they all be like this? Surely some can speak English.

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looks like the poster was educated(or not, as the case maybe) in the same school as the wee chappie over the border.
His posts make about the same sense too.

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Ya Margaret think they must have gone to the same approved school:rolleyes:

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:Eeh, I near on widdled meself reading that ! ;)

That, or the over exuberant imbibing of dubious illicit herbage, or large quantities of inebriant, actually, possibly both. :idunno:

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Please Dave don't even try to compare any of my posts the that total load of rubbish being posted as English by this guy :(

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Jay mate, your secrets safe with me ......................... AW & the users of the WWW. :D I was referring to your penchant for Jaysayisms, priceless & unique, otf copied but sorely lacking in originality. :)

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Go on I'll let you off then:rolleyes:

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If you live in a big posh house in a nice area you would expect to be paying more council tax and rightly so.

If you rent a house that has more bedrooms than you actually need is it really fair to expect the taxpayer to pay for your extra, empty rooms?

I know there are exceptions, people who need an overnight carer, pensioners, people who have recently lost a partner(and more). These exceptions are right, they shouldn't be penalised.

I accept that 1 bedroomed properties are now going to be at a premium, and there aren't many around. BUT there are far too many single people or families with 1 child living in social housing (by which I mean old council stock semis)with 3 or 4 bedrooms when other families who need the extra rooms are being crammed into 1 bedroomed flats or bed and breakfast places.

At the end of the day my taxes are paying for some families on benefits to have an "ironing room", a "spare room", an "office" . You have a bigger property, you have to pay for it, it's been this way for privately rented property for years under the LHA rules, it's all about balancing it out.

( Benefits Assessor)

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Why?...Would you be getting more council services than someone living in an unposh house in an un-nice area?

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Until the government force landlords to charge less rent then nobody should be forced to pay more for empty rooms. Rent prices are stupidly high and housing benefit is quite low from what I have heard. I have been working for over 10 years so I don't know for sure.

Its not like the town is filled to the brim with 1 bedroom properties. They are rare and price of rent is too high. Say for example one place that was one bedroom and it was £400 per month. The house I am renting is £77.50 per week and its 2 bedrooms. The house next door is 3 bedrooms and the landlord wants £120 per week. Times that by 52 and then divide by 12 and its £520 per month. Its daft!

A house is turned into 2 1 bedroom flats. Landlord wants £400 for each. Housing benefit wont pay £400 or am I wrong?

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and heres the truth coming out New claimants facing 'bedroom tax' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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but what if you need 24 hour care you are paralyzed from the neck down and need a spare room for your carer.

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Do you think the reason the rents are so high is because the benefits system would pay what the landlords were asking so they just kept increasing it?

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I don't agree with that.

I agree with that in principle but there are always exceptions and that is what we hear about in the news all the time.

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We use you as the reference similar to fairground rides:-
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...umNBxNC9OiNXgN

With us though, the sign would read Your English Must Be At Least To This Standard To Post On Site.

:)

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Jesus there'd be no body on the site;)

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If it looks reet it'll dink dank do for me !

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Not sure.

What I was getting at

£595 per month 3 bedroomed terraaced Westwood Street
http://www.rent-the-house.co.uk/imag...561_IMG_00.jpg

£625 per month 3 bedroomed Detached Maya Gardens, Accrington, BB5
http://www.rent-the-house.co.uk/imag...509_IMG_00.JPG

For the price difference which would you go for?

£595 has got to be the highest I have seen so far for an area like westwood street

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If I only knew what you was on about....

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Why ? I have worked my arse off for over 20 years to be able to afford a standard of living. I studied, pushed trollies round Asda car park and other such jobs, learnt my trade, worked long hours and been extremely careful with money. I was made redundant 3 years ago at the age of 40+ but rather than getting down moved to a different trade and started all over again. So why should I now be penalised for all that effort ? Would you prefer I under achieved and sat at home watching Jeremy Kyle each day.

And before anyone says anything about spoons in mouth I was born in Accy in a 2up 2down and was taught about morals and work ethic from day one

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Seems to be a sign of our times. I think bad spelling / grammar has a lot to do with (especially younger) people texting messages all the time. The art of letter writing seems to be disappearing.

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Eddie Stobarts - Mark Dixon truckerist - his catch phrase. :)

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oh. I don't know any of that :D

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ian duncan smith saying pensioners wont be affected,do we believe him:confused:Pensioners Will Not Suffer Under 'Bedroom Tax', Iain Duncan Smith Insists .if i was loaded i would be buying up every one bedroom flat up i would be loaded.ohh wait a minute who is buying all these one bedded flats.

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I thought you usually were.

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No Gordon he only acts that way, the fire water's too strong for him.

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its a joke from ids..yeah lets brick our windows next...mmmm wonders how meney rooms smith has? over two?.

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your only ever four pay months off big man...then have a try at£71 a week..see if you can cope,sleep..

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Sorry accyweb can't afford a translator;)

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ok then, mr osbourne thinks it would be to "costly" to look at homes worth over two millon quid, strange that but he can get the "bedroom tax" going..wonders why that is?

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Seeing this so called 'bedroom tax' apples to rented housing from the Council or Housing association and not to private owned homes, I fail to see the validitity of your arguments.

Your like a poor c'mon ....

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The problem is BG we've got two of um now:eek:

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Not thought of that Jay.............darn it, come back Mancie, all is forgiven.....:D

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Well at least Mancie had a brain, these two ain't got one between um:)

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Perhaps Less is a bit old to start now but if he gets a move on and had 11 children he could have a brand new £400,000 house free and pay no bedroom tax. He could also, after inspecting it, tell the council he didn't like it and wanted a better one.
He could even have his own horse(they're edible) and it would only cost him £200 a month of his benefits. In fact, he could probably afford 3 horses( apparently others can and you'd never be short of a home made lasagne).

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I could start today, by God given the right woman/women I could fill the spare bedroom in next to no time!

Oh hang on though, hadn't considered my bad back, can I throw a sick note in until my spine matches my libido?
:(

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Addendum to the above, I'd better not throw another sicky anywhere, I did that end of January, still going through the system living on thin air, if I threw another that would only cause delays.
:mad:

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Come on, Less, you've more imagination than me and even I've thought of a way around that problem.
Stop making excuses!

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well say that to the mum whos son is in afghanastan an has to move house .boeing and co you are off your rocker,you havent a clue about real life;) Benefits Cuts, suicides and deaths. | Politics UK

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these cases are becoming more fequent unfortunatly and will increase because after july i think it is anyone who appeals a decision made by DWP will recieve no money what so ever while they wait for their appeal which can take 6-9 months.Because courts are overturning %90 of ATOS and DWP's decisions cameron has instead of realising his methods arnt working has instead opted to make people face starvation and destitution if they dare appeal.

At the last count 12 people a week were dying from the DWP'S and ATOS's decisions or treatment of ill people yet no one cares but if the government lined up 12 people per week and shot them in the street there would be outrage.

villifying the mentally ill and disabled has clearly worked and while thetide is against them cameron and co are clearing them out regardless of what may happen to them.

i wouldnt put it past cameron to tell doctors and surgeons that if someone cant be repaired to a state fit for working then they shoudl be left to die and treatment witheld

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Look at this graph

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i dont trust that graph have you seen who their source is ....:D

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freedom of inforrmation act from the national statistics,this is now the usual way to get the truth from this goverment.just like ian duncan smith squealing like a petulant child yesterday when a radio presenter asked him for the truth. truly embarrasing.there was no jimmy involved in this graph.

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That depends who they were, if they had hook hands I think most would agree :rolleyes:

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I don't see what that woman wants she wants tax payers to pay for her employed sons rooms. If there's a house with 3 adults 2 are full time employed they don't deserve full benefits the lads should pay a bit of board or move out and get there own place I don't see why I should pay for there house.

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just maybe she is severely disabled;).

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You seem to have made a glaring mistake, Less is English :rolleyes:

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So what she needs 3 bedrooms her sons cant look after her they're away.

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You've got me there, lancsdave. I don't follow that, go on, what have I missed.

Should be a rolleyes there but it didn't work!

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People who need an extra room for a carer that isn't their partner will get that extra room. There are always gonna be exceptions but when there are families crammed into 1 bedroomed flats and single people rattling around in 3 bedroomed semis something has to give.

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You could also argue that 'families' should stop breeding until they have a big enough roof over their head without the need to force people out of homes full of memories they have lived in for years.

Or government could just invest in a social housing building program and create some jobs, instead of targeting people using the 'all benefit claimants are scroungers' argument. I suggest using the money earmarked for the EU and foreign aid.

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If he is in the Forces he gets 28 days leave, plus bank holidays every year. In addition there is embarkation leave and disembarkation leave (DinG can verify whether this is still the norm).
Should he spend all of his leave at his parents address then "his room" will be vacant for something like 40 days per year - excluding any additional leave. Very few young men that I knew in the Services ever spent the whole of their leave at their home of record.
Therefore, if the family wish to have a vacant room (assuming it is vacant i.e. empty of all items except those that belong to the serviceman, as it is council/public housing, there is no reason why they should not pay for additional storage space - a lock up garage/storage container will cost about £10 per week.
Real life appears to have passed you by, perhaps you were on the wrong side of the road?

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When you say invest in social housing, you mean like the last government did, um, always makes me smile that everything wrong is down to the present government, when the last shower, did nothing but throw money about like confetti doing absolutely nothing, allowed incapacity benefits to escalate out of all proportion and as for immigration, don't think I'll even bother going there

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Some of those families have been forced into cramped temporary accommodation and unsuitable housing after losing their own homes thru repossession because they have lost their jobs.

I know of many, many examples of single people or with 1 child living in houses way too big for them,some of these are people on full benefit, getting all their rent paid and getting full council tax benefit.
Is it any wonder this country is on it's knees?

Have a think about it, you probably know some too. It's very, very rare that I agree with anything this government does, and yes, this has flaws.BUT do you really want to be paying for someone who hasn't worked or contributed to the system for what maybe years to have a bigger house( often with a front and back garden) than the working man can afford?? :confused:

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Barrie don't bother about our friend from the north he gets all his info from the Guardian :rolleyes:

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Since you brought up the history, maybe if your beloved Margaret had released the funds raised by the great social housing sell off back to councils to use for rebuilding and had not pushed many people on to incapacity benefit to massage the jobless figures, we wouldn't be in this predicament now.

But that's irrelevant we are discussing the now, not the once was ;)

How many is many, many....10,20 or 100....Where exactly in Hyndburn do these many, many single parents live in these three bedroom houses? How do you know that they are on full benefit and receiving full council tax benefit?

Do you by any chance know many, many families that are currently living in cramped accomodation because of repossession? How many repossessions have been caused by people overstretching themselves and getting into negative equity?

Yes there are people who screw the system, these are a minority. Only Daily Mail readers think otherwise

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You live in cloud cuckoo land

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ohh well tried telling yous but get your vans ready the dwp have stated theres no room for monoeuvre and disabled people will not be exempt.

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Hehe....well argued sirrah :tongueout

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yous, yous, your totally illiterate you clown

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Monoeuvre? Isn't that 'one egg' in French. Is cmon trying to confuse us even more by going bi-lingual( gobbledygook and French).

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[QUOTE=Gordon Booth;1043358]Monoeuvre? Isn't that 'one egg' in French. /QUOTE]

Think it's "My Egg" Gordon, Mon Ami is my friend, but well spotted you cultured little rascal you. :)

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Of course it is, DinG.
My French lessons were a long while ago and our French teacher was a little German with a thick German accent so I did(and do) get a little confused sometimes. Mono- Latin for one? Can't remember any of that either

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Not really. About 81% of what he wrote is correct ... which doesn't seem to fit with "totally" ... Oh, and by the way, I would brush up on your punctuation. Particularly the use of the apostrophe in contractions. Maybe you avoid contractions because you dont want to remotely be connected with labour:rolleyes: