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lancsdave 26-07-2012 14:55

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The Peel St tardis is to go according to the Observer.

Peter Britcliffe says it's bonkers because it's going to cost £100,00 to terminate the contract. He says it's a mad situation the council has got itself in to.

According to Hyndburn Council the contract extension was approved in May 2002. Who signed the contract?

maxthecollie 26-07-2012 15:11

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1005103)
The Peel St tardis is to go according to the Observer.

Peter Britcliffe says it's bonkers because it's going to cost £100,00 to terminate the contract. He says it's a mad situation the council has got itself in to.

According to Hyndburn Council the contract extension was approved in May 2002. Who signed the contract?

Mr "B" ?

lancsdave 26-07-2012 15:19

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 1005109)
Mr "B" ?

No idea who it was, but the contract was renewed in May 2002. I checked the Hyndburn website to see who was in control at the time and Labour won control in May 2002.

If the contract was renewed in May 2002, presumably it was agreed prior to that

cashman 26-07-2012 15:24

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Perhaps when it goes,it could transport St Dorothy n her followers wi it?:D

lancsdave 26-07-2012 15:25

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The figures don't stack up either.

Annual rental is £29,300.

100,000 costs include £30,000 termination fee, £8,000 removal fee and 10 years worth of penalty charges.

10 years rent would be £293,000, does that mean the penalty charges are actually just over 20 years rent :confused:

Doesn't say how long the contract has left

lancsdave 26-07-2012 15:26

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1005114)
Perhaps when it goes,it could transport St Dorothy n her followers wi it?:D

They could use it to allow the druggies a den, then hand us the detonator :)

susie123 26-07-2012 15:28

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1005103)
The Peel St tardis is to go according to the Observer.

Peter Britcliffe says it's bonkers because it's going to cost £100,00 to terminate the contract. He says it's a mad situation the council has got itself in to.

According to Hyndburn Council the contract extension was approved in May 2002. Who signed the contract?

Pardon my ignorance, but just what are you talking about?

lancsdave 26-07-2012 15:41

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1005117)
Pardon my ignorance, but just what are you talking about?

Your ignorance is pardoned :)

It's the superloo on Peel St, same sort as this one


Spending a penny in an 'autoloo' costs council taxpayers £31 | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

lancsdave 26-07-2012 15:42

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Having just read the article I linked to seems we have a bargain :)

susie123 26-07-2012 15:46

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1005119)
Your ignorance is pardoned :)

It's the superloo on Peel St, same sort as this one


Spending a penny in an 'autoloo' costs council taxpayers £31 | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

Thank you Dave.

One of those things - what a blot on the landscape. Being very claustrophobic think I would rather pee in the street than trust myself in one of them.:pain30::s_splash:

Margaret Pilkington 26-07-2012 15:48

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you can get done for peeing in the street.....there was a case in the Obby last week, of a man being up before the beak for wazzing in full view of the public on Broadway.

Less 26-07-2012 15:50

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1005122)
Thank you Dave.

think I would rather pee in the street

Well, you can take the girl out of Accrington, but she still knows how to behave when downtown for a night out!

lancsdave 26-07-2012 15:54

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1005125)
you can get done for peeing in the street.....there was a case in the Obby last week, of a man being up before the beak for wazzing in full view of the public on Broadway.


aye, they managed to catch one out of several :rolleyes:

susie123 26-07-2012 16:00

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1005125)
you can get done for peeing in the street.....there was a case in the Obby last week, of a man being up before the beak for wazzing in full view of the public on Broadway.

But you can do it much more discreetly if you're wearing a skirt and squat down over a grid... an expert talking here... Less has got me sussed!

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1005126)
Well, you can take the girl out of Accrington, but she still knows how to behave when downtown for a night out!


MargaretR 26-07-2012 16:29

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I recall from his previous posts, that Dave's shop has no toilet facilities.
Am I right?

lancsdave 26-07-2012 16:33

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1005134)
I recall from his previous posts, that Dave's shop has no toilet facilities.
Am I right?

Thats correct Margaret. We have to use Peel St toilets, hence the fuss we kicked up when they closed them.

jaysay 26-07-2012 17:13

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1005103)
The Peel St tardis is to go according to the Observer.

Peter Britcliffe says it's bonkers because it's going to cost £100,00 to terminate the contract. He says it's a mad situation the council has got itself in to.

According to Hyndburn Council the contract extension was approved in May 2002. Who signed the contract?

2002 um think that was the year Labour took control for just 1 year, they also scrapped the direct works department at the same time

lancsdave 26-07-2012 17:18

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1005143)
2002 um think that was the year Labour took control for just 1 year, they also scrapped the direct works department at the same time

I think it's unlikely then that Labour got the toilet installed initially or extended the contract.

If there is money to be saved in the long run then I'm in agreement with biting the bullet and paying it off. But if the figures are true how long is that contract, has to be at least another 34 years before the termination saves money, if the cost really is 100K :confused:

lancsdave 26-07-2012 17:28

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I've just realised the figures don't add up because my maths is rubbish :D

jaysay 26-07-2012 18:30

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1005146)
I've just realised the figures don't add up because my maths is rubbish :D

I'm a bit like that with spelling Dave:rolleyes:

lancsdave 26-07-2012 18:53

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1005162)
I'm a bit like that with spelling Dave:rolleyes:

My maths aren't that bad.

Having re-thunk the figures it shows what a ridicolous decision it was to close Peel St toilets and save £10k a year ( most of which was a human saving ) and stick to a £29k a year machine.

lancsdave 27-07-2012 12:14

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2BR have been interviewing people on Peel St about the tardis this morning. Is it that big a news story ? :confused:

gynn 27-07-2012 13:23

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1005318)
2BR have been interviewing people on Peel St about the tardis this morning. Is it that big a news story ? :confused:

To 2BR, it probably is! :):):)

cashman 27-07-2012 13:40

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1005318)
2BR have been interviewing people on Peel St about the tardis this morning. Is it that big a news story ? :confused:

Well suppose it beats the crap outa another "Olympics" story.:)

lancsdave 02-08-2012 20:50

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It's in the Telegrapgh tonight ( news travels fast in LT world :) )

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Leader of the opposition, Peter Britcliffe said: “There’s been some awful bad management of this issue. The contract shouldn’t be so expensive to get out of and now tax payers have to pick up the tab - not to spend a penny.”
I'm sure I've asked once but surely somebody on Hyndburn Council knows who signed the contract :rolleyes:

cashman 02-08-2012 21:08

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1006688)
It's in the Telegrapgh tonight ( news travels fast in LT world :) )



I'm sure I've asked once but surely somebody on Hyndburn Council knows who signed the contract :rolleyes:

So who was council leader when the Tardis first landed?

Neil 03-08-2012 08:32

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1006688)
It's in the Telegrapgh tonight ( news travels fast in LT world :) )



I'm sure I've asked once but surely somebody on Hyndburn Council knows who signed the contract :rolleyes:

I would assume any contract was checked by HBC legal people, they must check things really well because they never appear to be the quickest of departments. Thats not a dig at HBC because all legal people appear to work slowly - maybe they are being extra careful ;)

jaysay 03-08-2012 08:43

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1006735)
I would assume any contract was checked by HBC legal people, they must check things really well because they never appear to be the quickest of departments. That's not a dig at HBC because all legal people appear to work slowly - maybe they are being extra careful ;)

Well normally they take so long so they can charge more Neil, looks like its a hard trait to shake when you move from the private to public sector:Dand I think your right, they will have gone over it with a fine tooth comb to make sure it was viable

Ken Moss 03-08-2012 10:05

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1006691)
So who was council leader when the Tardis first landed?

I'm of the understanding that it was Cllr Britcliffe and that the contract was signed on 30th April 2002, three days before an election. I haven't seen the contract papers myself but I believe that they have been found and the information will be freely available by emailing FOI:

[email protected]

jaysay 03-08-2012 10:08

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 1006769)
I'm of the understanding that it was Cllr Britcliffe and that the contract was signed on 30th April 2002, three days before an election. I haven't seen the contract papers myself but I believe that they have been found and the information will be freely available by emailing FOI:

[email protected]

Your slacking Ken at one time you would have been diving on here documents in hand all guns blazing, your getting lazy in your old age:D

Ken Moss 03-08-2012 10:15

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1006771)
Your slacking Ken at one time you would have been diving on here documents in hand all guns blazing, your getting lazy in your old age:D

True John, but I'm afraid I don't really need to go after Cllr Britcliffe's policies with the same venom these days since he lost power and his party is now down to single figures in Hyndburn.

What did you once tell me about it being more fun in opposition?

:rolleyes:

Less 03-08-2012 14:35

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1006771)
Your slacking Ken at one time you would have been diving on here documents in hand all guns blazing, your getting lazy in your old age:D

But you will never change Jay.
https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/im...xT1l17P1aSWUj-

jaysay 03-08-2012 17:26

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 1006776)
True John, but I'm afraid I don't really need to go after Cllr Britcliffe policies with the same venom these days since he lost power and his party is now down to single figures in Hyndburn.

What did you once tell me about it being more fun in opposition?

:rolleyes:

Ya but before we had a labour council who actually had a tad of an idea what they were doing, not running round like headless chickens only concerned with undoing what the previous incumbents did just so they can thumb their noses at Britcliffe:rolleyes:

jaysay 03-08-2012 17:27

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1006812)

Nor would I want to change;)

susie123 03-08-2012 17:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1006838)
Nor would I want to change;)

It's a good likeness.

jaysay 03-08-2012 17:51

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1006853)
It's a good likeness.

Its got more hair than me:rolleyes:

cashman 03-08-2012 17:52

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1006859)
Its got more hair than me:rolleyes:

Yeh but less teeth.

jaysay 03-08-2012 18:38

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1006860)
Yeh but less teeth.

Your Jokin I went to hospital last week and had another chopped off, they don't pull um anymore:eek::D

Ken Moss 04-08-2012 11:41

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1006837)
Ya but before we had a labour council who actually had a tad of an idea what they were doing, not running round like headless chickens only concerned with undoing what the previous incumbents did just so they can thumb their noses at Britcliffe:rolleyes:

If you honestly believe that we're running around simply undoing Britcliffe's work you must be an even bigger acolyte of his than I previously thought. Whilst I'm not against the idea of the coalition trimming the fat they're crippling us as a council and within a year or two we're going to have to make some really painful decisions made simply to stay afloat.

Even Britcliffe seems to realise that the Tory-led government is hurting us - read his Observer column.

jaysay 04-08-2012 14:13

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 1007088)
If you honestly believe that we're running around simply undoing Britcliffe's work you must be an even bigger acolyte of his than I previously thought. Whilst I'm not against the idea of the coalition trimming the fat they're crippling us as a council and within a year or two we're going to have to make some really painful decisions made simply to stay afloat.

Even Britcliffe seems to realise that the Tory-led government is hurting us - read his Observer column.

Ya and I also know how much you have in balances too:rolleyes:And the comment about undoing Britcliffe's work came from a council Officer, and they've no axe to grind

Less 04-08-2012 14:38

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1007124)
and they've no axe to grind

Since when?

Ken Moss 04-08-2012 15:01

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1007124)
Ya and I also know how much you have in balances too:rolleyes:And the comment about undoing Britcliffe's work came from a council Officer, and they've no axe to grind

Yes, there are just over £2.2m in reserves and the amount generally considered to be an acceptable bare minimum contingency fund is £2.5m so I'm afraid that argument doesn't wash with me at all, especially at a time when the future stability of the council is threatened by government decisions.

The local Conservatives moan that the last government spent all the money whilst at the same time seemingly crying because we aren't spending all the money. Give them their dues, they know a populist bandwagon when they see one and aren't afraid to jump on it.

With Cllr Britcliffe up for his county seat next year I suspect we haven't heard the last on this matter.

jaysay 05-08-2012 09:36

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 1007131)
Yes, there are just over £2.2m in reserves and the amount generally considered to be an acceptable bare minimum contingency fund is £2.5m so I'm afraid that argument doesn't wash with me at all, especially at a time when the future stability of the council is threatened by government decisions.

The local Conservatives moan that the last government spent all the money whilst at the same time seemingly crying because we aren't spending all the money. Give them their dues, they know a populist bandwagon when they see one and aren't afraid to jump on it.

With Cllr Britcliffe up for his county seat next year I suspect we haven't heard the last on this matter.

Ya and no doubt we'll be seeing a lot more of you over the next 9 months, when you need accyweb for you negative propaganda, we'll be back to Kenneth's daily diary, just like the good old days:rolleyes:

Ken Moss 05-08-2012 09:38

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1007276)
Ya and no doubt we'll be seeing a lot more of you over the next 9 months, when you need accyweb for you negative propaganda, we'll be back to Kenneth's daily diary, just like the good old days:rolleyes:

Only to counter any nonsensical Conservative propoganda, such as HBC sitting on a vast hoard of money.

jaysay 05-08-2012 09:48

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 1007277)
Only to counter any nonsensical Conservative propoganda, such as HBC sitting on a vast hoard of money.

I will remind you from time to time Ken as when you get the bit between your teeth you just don't realise when your doing it:rolleyes:

Ken Moss 05-08-2012 09:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1007281)
I will remind you from time to time Ken as when you get the bit between your teeth you just don't realise when your doing it:rolleyes:

And I'll remind you when you start sounding a little too much like Peter Britcliffe.....

;)

cashman 05-08-2012 09:59

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 1007284)
And I'll remind you when you start sounding a little too much like Peter Britcliffe.....

;)

Well what yeh expect from twins?:D

jaysay 05-08-2012 10:19

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1007286)
Well what yeh expect from twins?:D

Twins born 4 years apart, better give McWhirter a ring cashy:D

lancsdave 05-08-2012 10:21

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1007295)
Twins born 4 years apart, better give McWhirter a ring cashy:D

It happens :)

'Twins' born five years apart | Science | The Guardian

jaysay 05-08-2012 10:32

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1007297)

Ya but not in Ossy, Burnley maybe, but not Ossy:D

lancsdave 07-08-2012 19:36

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Don't know if anybody saw the article on Granada Reports ( at least one of the remaining shops in Accrington got on :) )

Basically Labour blamed the previous Tory council, and Tories blamed the previous Labour council.

Presumably this means it was the Liberal Party's fault :rolleyes:

Gordon Booth 07-08-2012 20:24

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1007815)
Don't know if anybody saw the article on Granada Reports ( at least one of the remaining shops in Accrington got on :) )

Basically Labour blamed the previous Tory council, and Tories blamed the previous Labour council.

Presumably this means it was the Liberal Party's fault :rolleyes:

No, lancsdave, it wasn't the Liberals fault either. In fact it wasn't any politicians fault, it never is. Some nameless council employee?
But rest assured, the politicians will say they will learn from someone else's mistakes and see it doesn't happen again.
They always do and it always does.

lancsdave 08-08-2012 08:19

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I find it quite amusing that the press are making such a big story out of it. Of course they are playing on the dramatisation of the 100k spend not the 200k saving.

Lets hope they spend the 200k buying a giant cleaning machine that sweeps low life scum off the streets :D

Neil 08-08-2012 10:55

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1007866)
I find it quite amusing that the press are making such a big story out of it. Of course they are playing on the dramatisation of the 100k spend not the 200k saving.

Lets hope they spend the 200k buying a giant cleaning machine that sweeps low life scum off the streets :D

My guess would be its the why the person who made them aware of the story in the first place.

lancsdave 03-06-2013 15:55

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Time for a thread resurrection. The tardis will leave in the next few hours for a different planet :D

cashman 03-06-2013 16:01

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1061652)
Time for a thread resurrection. The tardis will leave in the next few hours for a different planet :D

You Hope........This is H.B.C. Dave.:D

accyman 03-06-2013 16:13

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1005125)
you can get done for peeing in the street.....there was a case in the Obby last week, of a man being up before the beak for wazzing in full view of the public on Broadway.

not if your pregnant and peeing into a coppers helmet :D

which apparantly they have to let a pregnant woman do if asked so i just hope teh copper asked dosnt have a small head :eek:

accyman 03-06-2013 16:17

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1061652)
Time for a thread resurrection. The tardis will leave in the next few hours for a different planet :D

i believe the contractors pulled up outside the town hall first enquiring where the sh1tehouse that needed removing was and were given directions to the labour office :idunno:


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