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Restless 24-08-2012 17:20
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those pics. Is that an actual cell? Ive had worse hosing here in accrington in the past and had to scrimp and scrape to live to do that

Wynonie Harris 24-08-2012 17:23
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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 1010447)
but i also doubt that the justice which is being meted out to him will make any of his victims and/or their families feel vindicated either.
Strangely though, Norwegians interviewed including the victims' relatives seem satisfied with the sentence. Is it because they know this is the maxiumum sentence under Norwegian law or are they just more "enlightened" than us? Personally, I find it puzzling. :confused:

gynn 24-08-2012 17:26
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Some crimes are so heinous that justice becomes impossible. Yes he deserves to die, but that is an easy way out for him when so many families have been condemned to a lifetime of mourning.

He must never be released, but life inside should not be made easy for him.

Maybe as part of his sentence he should be made to listen for many hours every day to the stories related by the families of the young lives he snuffed out. Who knows, somewhere in that twisted mind of his, there might lurk a conscience.

mobertol 24-08-2012 17:27
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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 1010442)
I don't know about the Norwegian system but I wonder if he may have been detained indefinitely if proved to be insane - it would be a real contradiction if that were the case.

Looking at his face in court, during and after the verdict, I think the outcome was exactly what he wanted and had planned which shows that he had thought the whole thing through even to this point knowing how he would be treated.
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Originally Posted by Studio25 (Post 1010448)
If he had been declared insane, he could have been kept in a padded room eating through a straw and wearing a straightjacket and nappies forever, his manifesto would be dismissed as the ramblings of a madman, and that smirk would have been wiped from his face when sentencing was passed.

It seemed important to the families that he be declared sane, I don't know why.
It really is all quite contradictory then and hard to fathom why the families would not want him to be locked up and the key thrown away.

I believe I understand their thinking, up to a point, since declaring him insane would have made the murderer somehow less culpable perhaps and have diminished his responsibility. They wanted him to be seen to be responsible for what he did - which he undoubtedly was.

The contradiction lies in the fact that his sentence as a sane person is diminished with respect to what he would have faced as a madman...

jaysay 24-08-2012 17:37
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1010424)
I blame stupid judges giving out daft sentences. Look at this fella in the link below, jailed for 9 years but he wont be able to drive for the first 4 year of his jail term as he was also banned from driving for 4 years. Should his ban not start when he leaves prison?

BBC News - Jail for 180mph M6 chase driver Ben Westwood
I've been saying that for years, that is a complete nonsense, the ban should start when he's eligible to be on the road, mind you I suppose he has rights:mad:

susie123 24-08-2012 17:38
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 1010450)
Strangely though, Norwegians interviewed including the victims' relatives seem satisfied with the sentence. Is it because they know this is the maxiumum sentence under Norwegian law or are they just more "enlightened" than us? Personally, I find it puzzling. :confused:
The families would know that the max he could receive would be what he did get and yes I do think the Scandinavians are more "enlightened", for want of a better word which I can't think of, when it comes to such things.

jaysay 24-08-2012 17:44
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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 1010451)
Some crimes are so heinous that justice becomes impossible. Yes he deserves to die, but that is an easy way out for him when so many families have been condemned to a lifetime of mourning.

He must never be released, but life inside should not be made easy for him.

Maybe as part of his sentence he should be made to listen for many hours every day to the stories related by the families of the young lives he snuffed out. Who knows, somewhere in that twisted mind of his, there might lurk a conscience.
You mean like Brady and Huntley, these people don't have a conscience, when all's said and done Huntley has to be called mister by the warders he has all mod cons three square a day, no bills to pay, life's just a bowl of cherries for these people and they just lap up the notoriety:mad:

Margaret Pilkington 24-08-2012 18:00
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I am sure that the courts can extend the sentence by five year periods added onto the end of the sentence, if they feel this man is still a risk.
It would have been much better for everyone if this man had taken a bullet himself.

I hated seeing his sadistic smirking self satisfied grin....but then that isn't his problem, it is mine....I guess I'll have to build a bridge.
I don't think he will come into physical contact with any other prisoners......just his keepers(for his own protection).

Personally, if I were in charge of his punishment, he would be worked for every minute he was awake. Doing something hard and heavy. He would not need that cushy cell with the keep fit gear......just a bed and a lavatory.

cashman 24-08-2012 18:03
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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 1010447)
Even though it is a very particular case and his guilt was absolutely beyond all reasonable doubt I still don't think his death would serve any purpose or solve anything. Would it make anyone feel better? I doubt it - but i also doubt that the justice which is being meted out to him will make any of his victims and/or their families feel vindicated either.
well can't speak fer strangers, but if one of my family was murdered, it would sure as hell make me feel a bit better, n as fer no purpose again i disagree, it would save hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money.

gynn 24-08-2012 18:45
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1010455)
when all's said and done Huntley has to be called mister by the warders he has all mod cons three square a day, no bills to pay, life's just a bowl of cherries for these people and they just lap up the notoriety:mad:
...but hopefully there's always the fear of a fellow inmate with a kettle full of boiling water lurking round every corner, and the fear that every noise in the night is someone coming at him with a knife while the warders are asleep.........

jaysay 24-08-2012 18:48
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1010458)
I am sure that the courts can extend the sentence by five year periods added onto the end of the sentence, if they feel this man is still a risk.
It would have been much better for everyone if this man had taken a bullet himself.

I hated seeing his sadistic smirking self satisfied grin....but then that isn't his problem, it is mine....I guess I'll have to build a bridge.
I don't think he will come into physical contact with any other prisoners......just his keepers(for his own protection).

Personally, if I were in charge of his punishment, he would be worked for every minute he was awake. Doing something hard and heavy. He would not need that cushy cell with the keep fit gear......just a bed and a lavatory.
Ya Margaret Hard Labour, see how much of a smile he's got on his arrogant gloating fizzog if they have him breaking rocks from sunrise to sunset

jaysay 24-08-2012 18:55
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Just read on the BBC web site, that this excuse for a human being has apologised to his white supremacist's friends for not killing more, he really is a piece of work

cashman 24-08-2012 18:59
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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 1010467)
...but hopefully there's always the fear of a fellow inmate with a kettle full of boiling water lurking round every corner, and the fear that every noise in the night is someone coming at him with a knife while the warders are asleep.........
Dream on,scum like that are in solitary.

gynn 24-08-2012 19:01
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Hasn't he already been attacked a couple of times?

cashman 24-08-2012 19:03
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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 1010472)
Hasn't he already been attacked a couple of times?
Yeh Huntley has, but since i think solitary, Brevik is going straight in it.;)


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