Two Policewomen killed.
 

News that two Police Officers have been killed PC Nicola Hughes, 23, and PC Fiona Bone, 32, had been investigating a burglary in Mottram, Tameside.They have thought to have been killed by on the run killer,Dale Cregan.
My thoughts are with their families and loved ones,

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Damn so young. :( RIP

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Very Very sad, just watching the report on TV seems they were lured to the address and just shot down by a scumbag who's been on the run after committing two other murders. What a waste of two young lives RIP

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My friend who I lived with for a while, knew Fiona Bone.Four years ago he went to Manc pride with her where she gave him the advice to go into nursing, he came back all excited about it he did go into nursing and has just put a status on facebook thanking her for the advice and encouragement :(almost made me cry!

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And still our whacky judicial system favours the criminal over the victim. The piece of dirt responsible for this terrible act can look forward to a 'life of Riley' safely encarcerated within the holiday camp system that we laughingly call prison.

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With regular visits from the likes of St Dorothy telling us all how they deserve a second chance :mad:

RIP to the 2 young policewoman, tragic waste of life

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yeh nailed it yon Dave.:( R.I.P. to the two lasses.

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RIP to the policewomen .. they were doing their job .. they were expecting to go home tonight to their families .. one planning her wedding .. why did he do it .. hes evil ...

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Oh, yes it is so sad, they were doing their duty, looking after folk like us, such a waste of decent life for...
:mad:

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Two young ladies taken from their family, friends and colleagues in such a cowardly way.
RIP
How dreadful - evil git should hang, but no he will have the life of Riley in one of the holiday camps they send people like this to.

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Bring back hanging for anyone who murders a police person or any member of the services,(ie ambulance,fire service)who are killed in the line of duty hang the scumbag

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hanging....to good for him.
what we need to do is this. open a new prision, one that does not have Televisions, any form of entertainment, newspapers or any contact with the outside world other than what they are told.
keep them in their cells 20 hours a day, make work a privilege not a right. allow nothing in the cell except a bed, toilet and wash basin.
you could model the idea on Supermax Prisons of the USA.
Of course you would have to start by giving life meaning life to all murderers.
This way they would have a long time to reflect on what they have done.

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I have been saying something similar for a long time BG........I agree with your concept, except, I would make them work so hard at doing something manual and useless(like move stones from one side of the yard to the other - then next day moving them all back) everyday until they were bone weary.......16 hours a day would seem about right.

That, or drop them on some inhospitable Scottish island with just enough grub for a week....they would have to build a bivouac, and fend for themselves......that would show how hard these thugs really are....if they survived, that is.

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RIP :(

Totally agree with you Marg

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When did members of the services become more important that everyone else? Same rule should apply to everyone.

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Quite agree Margaret, but has for dropping um off in the Scottish Islands, I'd much refer the upper reaches of the Amazon with no food at all:mad:

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Sorry, but the suggestions are to lenient, they should be at the end of a rope within 2 weeks maximum. These creatures that show no respect for the lives of others should expect no leniency themselves.

Everyday these things draw breath is a further slap in the face of the family of the innocent party.

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Ya but don't forget Dave this scumbag has rights, funny how the families of the victims don't have the same rights:mad:

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And so says cashy.;)

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and whilst your at it, any paedophile, should have their testicles removed with a lump hammer and a cold chisel, no anaesthetic, on the town hall steps of the town they committed their crime, and leave the 4ckers there to bleed to death!!!!

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No, once you cross the boundaries of accepted moral behaviour, those rights are forefeit in my view. Those that would defend & plead for these things should face a similarly severe punishment (not to the extreme in their case, but enough to warrant a valid chastisement for their complicity which is usually gain driven)

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some of us see that as a holiday, and would pay good money.........just terminate them, or allow the family to decide the punishment, not some out of touch judge, allow the next of kin to pass judgement, some of victims families say they forgive the killer, and ont believe in the death penalty who are we to argue!

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Well yes I agree Dave, but you know good old Britain, and the human rights act that Blair said was his finest achievement in politics, well it is really, his wife and her mates have been milking it ever since:mad:

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Some families might do, but the majority won't, and you can class me it that, I firmly believe they should be strung up :mad:

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i would whole heartedley agree jay, however, if a victims family felt strong enough to spare someones life, so be it, their choice.

as i say let them decide the killers fate, not some out of touch judge, who doesnt live in the real world, or allow the jury to pass sentence.

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To be honest I think whats needed is that Judges have to retire at 60 not until they're unable to get into court because if senility, then we might get uptodate thinking on the matter:(

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i think a complete overhall of the judiciary is required, i have posted previously my feelings on " british justice" before.

let the people who have to share the community with these people decide.

how many judges do you know of that lives/shops in accrington?

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It's all very well talking about tougher sentences for murderers, but no British government has a hope in hell of moving towards such sentences, while we continue to be ruled by our masters in Brussels.

EU court slammed over human rights ruling for prisoners | UK News | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express

This is what we get for meekly handing our independence over to the EU.

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one point i didnt raise when i talked about my "offence", was it was in Burnley, and at Burnley Crown Court, my brief told me it was "good" that it was in burnley, 2 reasons if i went to trial by jury, they would be more understanding because its more common place, and also from a sentencing point of view, the sentence would be more lenient, than if it was a leafy suburb of middle england.

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Whaaaat........a holiday???? To be abandoned on a remote inhospitable island...with a minimum of(baisc) food an no shelter?
Are you some kind of masochist?

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oh the solitude!, lol

would love it, (for a few days, only), have slept "rough", loads

so the challenge of surviving, is our most basic instinct, and sometimes we need to get back to basics.

i kop out, and take a tent n sleeping bag with me now, but i could quite happily bivvy down, and top of the fells are quite desolate, you only have bare essentials, cos you have had to carry it up there, so you keep it simple.

i hope to do coast to coast next year, but i want to do it carrying everything i need, and not stopping at a b&b, but its two weeks!

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Oh, No...definitely not for me.......but then my age is against me(even though I am fairly fit).....the cold seeps into my joints these days.
We used to go camping when we were younger...but I hated it. Strictly for the arabs in my book.
I want a pleasant roomy hotel room with a good shower that will provide me with an abundant supply of hot water......good meals and a comfy bed. Places to see and take pictures add to my enjoyment of a holiday venue too........but you can keep the scottish island and the solitude.(in the nicest possible way - of course)

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Oh I would love the solitude, always thought if I won the lottery I would buy an island.

Loved camping ever since I was in the guides, also like nice hotels - solution, few nights camping then a hotel to wash it all away! Now we have a motorhome we get the best of both worlds.

Love cruising too all that good food and relaxation. Guess I just like travelling, not too fussed about the accommodation - but I would never fly, like to get to a place slowly... part of the experience.

Sorry folks, making this into a real thread wander.

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I don't mind my own company, but I wouldn't really call it solitude.
I like wide open spaces too, but I also don't want to be too far from civilization.......and the amenities it affords.

Prisons(bringing the topic back into line) appear to be far from places of punishment......they appear to have become softer and more like pontins...with facilities for education, physical education and entertainment.
with no worries about where the next meal is coming from....or how the heating is going to be paid for. This cannot be right....and certainly not in the situation where two young women have been wilfully ambushed and their lives ended.

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Can I just remind folk, two people died, no matter what we think should happen to the sod let loose on bail that took away these lives, it's happened.
My sympathy is and will always remain with the families and friends that have lost their loved ones.
Their grief is our grief because we and our society allow it to happen.

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Margaret while I respect your views and see what you mean you would not think the same if you were on the inside with no prospect of release.

For many years I visited such a person in prisons large and small, harsh and not so harsh, and received regular correspondence from him in which a lot more was said than at the visits. In the end he did away with himself not because of his crime but because of his situation. I don't know the exact nature of his crime and neither does Richard but he was Richard's best friend at school. They drifted apart when Richard moved but when Richard heard about it he started visiting, this was before I met Richard.

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So what you're saying is, you were no comfort at all to this man?
Perhaps without your visits he would have coped with the depression of being banged up and still be alive today?

Sometimes no matter what we do, it's perhaps worse than doing nothing?

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And you know I respect your views too......everyone has a right to have an opinion.......but in my personal view...and it is personal to me.
If someone takes the life of another person...and that is proved beyond reasonable doubt, then they have no right to expect to receive compassion.....they have no rights at all....they gave them up(of free choice) when they took a life......they do not deserve anything other than the basics to maintain life...their life should contain no pleasure...and they should be locked away with no possibility of release for their crime.

The families of these two young women(who were serving their local community) will have no release, ever, from their grief.

These young women, whose lives were snuffed out by a calculated act of criminality, will never become mothers, never make their parents grandparents...they have been robbed of so many things that are seen as a 'human right', by this man...why should he have any human rights when he has taken theirs?

Do you really believe that prison can rehabilitate men who commit crimes such as this? I don't and I think this man knows that there is little to be feared in the way British justice is administered......he can be out and walking among us in 15 years(or even less).

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He was the one requesting the visits Less, he had to send us a visiting order before we could go.

Whether we were of any "comfort" to him I couldn't say, there was obviously a lot going on in his head. I don't think he had any other visitors so whether we were good for him or not I don't know. But we didn't visit him for a while towards the end because he was on the Isle of Wight so maybe the lack of visitors there was a factor. Who knows?

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Indeed who knows?
Why not turn your attention towards the unemployed? The homeless (some of whom's only crime is to be mentally ill)?
Or is there no glamour in saying I had a guy on meths throw up over me last night, when trying to impress the middle class?
:o

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devils advocate: what about the criminals families rights, they have committed no crime, do they have a right to see the relative?

or just as the victims family should suffer, so should their own, as part of the punishment?

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Less we were trying to help a friend and it was a long time ago, fifteen years ago probably.

There's no question of glamour or trying to impress the middle class as you put it. I wouldn't dream of getting involved in anything else that you suggest, that's not my scene at all. End of.

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I understand the devil's advocate thing we have had this question before.
If this were my brother I would disown him........yes the families of the criminals do suffer....and their suffering is not of their own making and it is(if they are decent folk) tinged with shame an embarassment too.
I cannot comment on this chap, it does seem from what is reported, that he had a chequered criminal background.
My sypathies lie with those who are bereaved...their grief will be the hardest.
Their girls were doing a job.....keeping the community safe...they were executed.

And to those who lionise this man on the Facebook pages......calling him a hero, and linking these girls deaths with retribution for the Hillsborough situation...how does that work out?
Are these two WPC's guilty by association - despite the fact that one of them would have been 9 at the time and the other one possible a babe in arms, or not even born??

There is definitely a criminal underclass who are about in our towns.......who knows who is the next to be caught in the crossfire of these thugs?

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Lord Tebbit said concerns that such a penalty would lead to miscarriages of justice - with the innocent executed - would be mitigated by the care juries would take deliberating when they knew a person's life was at stake.

He said: "I have kept track year by year since the death penalty was suspended, then abolished, of the number of people who have been killed by persons previously convicted of homicide.

"It has averaged three people a year. About 150 people killed because their killers have been freed to kill again.

"Would our courts have sentenced to death three innocent people a year, year in year out? I doubt it.

"I think it is time we thought again about the deterrent effect of the shadow of the gallows."

looks like maggies old henchman is on the ball, is it now time for a referendum, i have long argued that i have never had a choice in a capital punishment, i have also had the argument used against me, that i have never voted about slavery either.

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Its not now time fer a referendum.............Twas time years ago, The penny has long dropped wi the masses imho, But its all Pie In The Sky,:rolleyes: One will never happen on any matter, unless the government of the day break the rules n represent the public.:rolleyes:

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All the arguments about restoring the death penalty, genuine life sentences, harsher prison conditions are academic, in my view. The ECHR and/or the EU would never allow any of these things and our government would supinely accept their decree, as they have in so many other instances. As Cashy says, it's never going to happen.

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Sorry Susie, I've no sympathy for anybody who gets banged up for any reason, especially those that think its a good idea to take away somebody else's life. If they can't do the time then don't commit the crime, end of story

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Ya and the fate of 60 million people is decided by 650 people who are elected to look after OUR affairs, what a flaming joke that is :mad:

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The self interest of our political (nonentities) leaders has always taken precedence over the wishes of the electorate once they are esconced in the trappings of Westminster with all it's associated perks. The yoke of Brussels only adds to the impotence that is currently being demonstrated by the empty-headed coalition government that should have been choked at birth. There is more chance of them setting up a colony on the moon than their abiding by the wishes of those who put them into power.