Nigel Farage
 

This man makes me smile every time I listen to him.

I think a lot of what he says makes sense.

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Yeah, he got fined a couple of grand for that little outburst, well worth it though

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The Emperor's new clothes. If only more politicians had the guts to speak out like he does!

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Well they may call him a One Trick Pony, but he will get my vote come the time.

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Steve, it would be good, but 'c'mon, aren't they all looking after their own hides.
It doesn't pay them to be outspoken...to support the views of the electorate.....hell, it would lose them money....the only people the MP's are interested in, are themselves.

When their time is up at the Palace of Westminster, they all want a place on the gravy train...speaking out would compromise that.

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I thought he was wonderful too, until I read that Rothschild was a major donator to UKIP .

So he is hock to the elite bankers like all the rest :(

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The trick is to use them fer as long as it suits you.;)

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The only thing is political parties don't progress without finances, withdraw it and they fall on their face

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I would agree, Margaret, and here's one of the most scandalous examples.


Baroness Ashton absent from two thirds of European Commission meetings - Telegraph

£230,000 a year and she doesn't turn up for two thirds of the meetings. "The most overpaid bureaucrat in the world" as Nigel Farage called her.

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Yeh but that was very disrespectful, even if it was the truth.:D

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So that's who he is. UKIP. Seem to remember reading in the "Guardian" ... it was yesterday, I think, ... that the UKIP is now ahead of the Lib-Dems in the polls. Not surprizing really. He seems to be speaking out, not only for Britain, but also for the idea of the European Nation State. And he sounds like the guy to vote for if you want someone to "Speak for England", and if you want someone to send an unambiguous message to Labour and the Conservatives. He still hasn't hit the radar on this side of the pond. He's about as well-known over here as Pauline Marois is over there;)

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Well he's been around a while, heard him speak as a candidate in our local constituency in the 1997 election. Been carrying my sick bag around ever since just in case he turns up again.

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But isn't a voice such as his needed in a democracy ... pour l'encourager les autres? And it seems as if les autres need a little incentive to respond to that large constituency in Britain (How large is it? 100% - 95% = ?) ... well at least the five percent of voters who do give "a toss" about membership in the EU.:rolleyes: I think an advocatus diaboli should be a compulsory addition to all democracies. Someone should argue against the cannonization of the German vision of a United States of Europe (under Prussian leadership, of course).

Let's face it, Labour and the Conservatives are alarmingly similar ... just like the Liberals and the Conservatives over here. All they seem to argue about are the details. And both parties seem commited to Europe:confused: There seem to be occasional rumblings from the tory backbenchers; but this is probably flatulence caused by over indulging at the trough.

Sorry about the French ... it's second nature over here:D And the phrase is common enough. And it has probably passed into English usage. After all, it was the execution of an English Admiral which gave rise to it;)

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Just don't like the man - rude, cocky, arrogant - watching that clip confirmed it.

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Maybe he is ... but, knowing he has a snowball in hell's chance of ever holding power, he can be himself. He doesn't have a mask for public consumption. Until mainstream politicians blow their cool, and scream insults at coppers, we never know what they are like. Or they could be caught off-guard on tape, or in a video ... Hi, Mitt; how's it hangin' buddy:D This guy can be up front ... he's got nothing to lose. Maybe those folks who think that Cameron is the cat's pajamas, or that the sun shines out of Milleband's posterior orofice might change their minds if these two were caught off guard.

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Personally, I think he should be more rude about obscenely overpaid nonentities like van Rompuy and Ashton. What a pity more politicians don't treat these leeches with the contempt they so richly deserve...but of course, they wouldn't want to rock the boat!

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And so says me. n i don't really like the guy either, but that aint the point. This sorta thing needs saying bluntly, Shame some cannot see it.:rolleyes:

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He tells it like it is. I can live with that.
A modicum of arrogance(though some would call it confidence) is required in public office.

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Strange how he was involved in a plane crash on Election day 2010!

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Well I quite like the guy and some If not all of his policies,so to that end he will get my little tick when the time arrives.:alright::)

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He has the "like factor" I actually like the guy as well for standing up against the mainstream, but will he defect if he gets power?:rolleyes:

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Well power does have a habit of changing people but my vote is more of a protest against the other morons who tend to treat the voters with contempt at every opportunity.:jimbo:

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As mine will be, just hope enough have the sense n then we will sure get a change of tack by the other morons.;)

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He'll never get power, but I'd hope he gets a big enough share of the vote to put the wind up the Tories and Labour and make them realise they need to quit their grovelling, servile attitude to the EU and start standing up for this country.

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UKIP is a one issue protest party. The question they don´t like to answer is:

"Okay, we are out of Europe. What then?"

They have to fudge this question because they don´t want to alienate the left or the right.

They are a useful vehicle for expressing the view that the UK should get out of Europe, but if that is ever achieved, it will be Labour and Conservatives who will seize the power.

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No one but the most committed UKIP activist thinks they'll ever get into power. What's needed is a large-scale protest vote to give Tories and Labour a right good kick up the backside. Hopefully it'll happen, but the problem is all the fools who'd vote for a monkey if it was wearing a red or blue rosette. :rolleyes:

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That is the real problem.......the people who slavishly follow a particular party regardless of whether it no longer refelcts the issues of the day....a lot of Labour supporters still think that the Labour party upholds socialist values....when, if you look at their record since TB and Nu-Labour were 'invented'.......it is plain to see that it is a paler version of the tory party.
How many MP's who run under the Labour banner have had a privileged up-bringing? How many of them have done real jobs...jobs where you get sweaty and dirty? I think you would have room to put them on a postcard(with room to spare). No, the MP's of today know nothing of the lives or concerns of t he electorate...and seem to care even less(well, while the money comes in to pay them, that is).

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And cos of those people, We get what we deserve.:rolleyes:

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Well, No, we get what they voted for...in their infinite wisdom.

I think there might be more of them than us...so we never have a sporting chance do we?

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There is without doubt more, but substitute infinite wisdom fer stupidity n we end up wi what we deserve, not you or i, but its a generalisation.;) The reason i say stupidity is many of those voters have a intense dislike fer the E.U. in my opinion.

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From what I can see, the UKIP is more than a single issue party. They have polices on small business development, pensions, taxes, fishing rights, etc. And the question that voters should ask is: "Can they do a worse job than is already being done"? The Conservative focus on "cuts, cuts, cuts", even at the expense of job creation, seems to be just as much of a single issue.

If I may be allowed to bring in an example from Canadian politics ... well, allowed or not, I'm going to do it;) ... let's look at the francophone parties from la belle province de Quebec. The Bloc Quebecois, until their defeat in the last Federal election was an active part of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. The recently elected Parti Quebecois in Quebec is a seperatiste party governing a Province the majority of whose voters don't want an independent Quebec ... I believe only about 30% of Quebecois want a referendum on independence. They were elected not on the single issue of leaving Canada, but because voters believed that they were better equipped to deal with the problems facing Quebec.

Oh, by the way, it looks like co-operation between out two countries is about to reach a new level:

Canada, U.K. to cut costs by sharing embassies abroad - Politics - CBC News

I know it's a bit of a wander; but, it is also a reminder that your true friends are on this side of the Atlantic, not in Brussels.;):D

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;)well i dont get them now,they were alright till i read their tax policies.

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UKIP tax policy.
UKIP TAX POLICY

Monday, 5th December 2011

UKIP believes in merging income tax and national insurance into a flat rate income tax to greatly simplify our tax code, which currently stands at over 11,000 pages.

At the last election we opted to merge 20% basic income tax with 11% national insurance to create a 31% flat tax on all earned incomes over £11,500. As a tax cut for all, with a higher threshold, it would also take the poorest paid out of income tax altogether.

It would also mean abolishing the existing 40% and 50% income tax brackets, the latter actually costing the economy rather than taking in revenue.

For employers, UKIP aims to abolish employers’ national insurance across a parliament to end the tax on jobs. This will undoubtedly boost employment and simplify the process of employing people.

Back to UKIP Policies



Personally it is simple, easy to apply and above all FAIR as everybody shares the burden equally. They will never get in as the Socialists, reds etc amongst us would never go for it, after all FAIR means tax the rich, no matter how hard they have worked for it...

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so somebody on 10,000 a year pays the same as somebody on 10 million;) we will be up the creak right or wrong the uk couldnt sustain it.it sounds a bit like alex salmond a fantasist:eek:

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So UKIP want to reduce taxes all round and abolish Employers National Insurance.

Have they said how much this will reduce tax revenues, and which corresponding expenditure will be reduced to allow for it? What? Oh the EU subsidy we give!

But have they looked at the get out clauses in all the thousands of agreements we've signed as EU members, and put a cost on those get out clauses?

And have they said how we are going to pay for those get out costs? Can't be from the public purse, because they've reduced taxes.

So more borrowing perhaps?

Why do their manifesto proposals bring to mind the back of a fag packet?

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So what you are saying is this, some one on £ 10,000 pa pays £3,100,000.
No that's not FAIR.

What would happen is this, the Tax burden is shared equally by all.
If you earn £10,000pa you would pay nothing.
In perspective if you earn £21000 pa you tax would be, £2945
Where at the moment you will pay £4186.4
Very socialist......

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Never seen this before. Absolutely brilliant!!! I have actually voted UKIP at the last two elections because I couldn't bring myself to vote Labour (and there are no other options to me) but I do believe passionately in using my vote.
I was a member of a (small) Labour group that campaigned for non-membership of the then common market in the seventies and I have to say that, because of my intense dislike of all things Europe (politically not culturally), I have never voted in the European elections out of principal (I won't play the game).
I know that UKIP will never gain power (bit of a single item party really) but I do agree with their principals. I'm not a little Englander by the way, I just don't want to be lead by a bunch of undemocratic, fraudulent, unelected bureaucrats receiving fat wages for doing nothing other than trying to control the way others live. The whole European edifice needs to be brought to it's knees and these power seekers should be shown the door.
I agree with everything Farange said, by the way.

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Couldn't have put it better meself! Well said, HB! :mosher:

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Of course they would not pay the same, do you not understand how percentages work?

ignoring any tax free bit

31% of £10,000 = £3,100
31% of £10,000,000 = £3,100,000

Does that look like the same to you?

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BBC News - MEP struggles with tax policy questions so whats his answer on tax ??

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they believe in grammar schools:eek: but one plus point dismantle windfarms:)

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I just cannot believe yeh Cmon, Most people i would think do not give a toss about U.K.I.P.s policys, But see em as nothing more than a vehicle to make the major players move on Europe, But yeh don't seem to grasp it at all.:rolleyes:

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Tax...grammar schools...wind farms...who cares? Nobody expects 'em to get into power. They're a "stalking horse" party, useful for mobilising a big protest vote to put the wind up the big two over the issue of Europe.

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Got to say that I agree too Wyn

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Shushhhhh Wyn just let him get back to bed and sleep it off;)

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Absolutely right!! If they were working in this country alone they would be more of a lobbying group really. They were actually set up as a protest party and if truth be told only see themselves as such still. They don't actually need that much in the way of policies to achieve what they set out to achieve and that is to rid this country of the evil (yes that's right) of the European Union. Don't forget that this is the same organisation which stockpiled various foods to force up prices to benefit inefficient European farmers. They didn't give a toss about how much hardship they caused. They didn't even give it to starving nations, they just let it rot.
I could go on but, frankly, my hatred of the European Union knows no bounds, and I think I would be preaching to the converted anyway.

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An enlightened approach to Euroscepticism. Agree with every single word you say, HB.

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Ya the good old Butter Mountains, can remember in the nineties they were giving butter way to pensioners and the disabled, just to get rid of it. And lets not forget all these rules set out on things like farming which on good old GB ever keeps to, the rest just stick two fingers up, its the British stiff upper lip always playing by the rules

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The pharma companies' war against herbal remedies is beginning to bite via the EU's directive.
A backgound to what is happening now was outlined in this Guardian article in 2002
Health supplements: R.I.P. | Society | The Guardian

I use a herb named Lomatium Dissectum, which I have found to be very effective against all types of bronchial infection.

After May this year no company in EU is allowed to sell it.

Fortunately this country does not block its import yet, although some EU countries do.

I have recently received a shipment of 4 1oz bottles of tincture from USA which cost $44.56/£28.83. Delivery was delayed by 3weeks whilst UK customs decided to add on a vat charge, and Royal Mail added on an extra £8 for 'handling' the collection of that vat.

Since I expect to need a bottle a week during the winter months I have searched for a way to reduce the cost.

If I import only two bottles at a time, the customs declaration will show the value of the import to be less than £15, so I will escape paying import duty @12%, vat @20% and Royal Mail's £8.

I resent having to 'jump through hoops' just to supply myself with a herbal remedy instead of using the NHS, which I could use free.(but which I wouldn't because the pharmacuticals on offer are less effective)

This is just one small example of how EU regulation limits individual liberty.

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Heady days indeed, I remember sneaking over to France late at night just to go swimming and peeing in their wine lake.
;)

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You know, Jay, Europe is one of the very few things that I agree with the majority of Tories about. A good old dose of Euro-scepticism. The Labour party are a bit too soft on the European issue (although they do have a great many sceptics) and as for the Lib Dems, if they had their way we would just be a subordinate European state by now.

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Nice one Less. I hope that was about the time I was making my own wine. Nowadays I usually stick to South American and Australian anyway, far superior to anything the French produce now.

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I used to make wine. When I started I could buy tins of grape concentrate of particular grape varieties, which produced a wine very much like the chateau produce.

The EU didn't like the idea that home made dispensed with the need to buy (duty paid) bottles, so they restricted the sale of grape concentrate to 'red, white and rose', which made home made wine less attractive.

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I hope it was the Claret you were peeing in Less:D

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Well done, Jay, genuinely funny. :D I wonder if he had the "blues" whilst he was doing it?

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Agreed. The EU is all about the New World Order - they want Europe to be ruled by One Government, One Army, One People - the Internet will allow utimately one World Government.

Denis Healey founding member of the secret Bilderberg Group said when questioned about the Bilderberg Group wanting a One World Government said..."To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing."

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One World Government ya reight, mind you Denis always was a silly billy:D

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:D:D Yeh well start small - what about a EU Government ruling over us all! That is what they want to bring in.

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To quote Tolkien:
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
Except that Lord of the Rings is a classic fantasy, the EU is very,very real.

Re: Nigel Farage
 

No joke - 5 mins ago I was going to post exactly what you said here before you said it! Does that link in with the Olympics? ;) One World Order!

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It just seemed the obvious quote having read the previous posts. I know it sounds a bit "conspiracy" but the EU does pose a threat to democracy I believe.

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Reaction from Elio Di Rupo, the Belgian PM, on the EU winning the Nobel Peace Prize:

"This choice shows that the European project continues to inspire the world today. The European Union was originally the dream of people and politicians in search of peace and prosperity for all citizens. It has become a strong symbol of cooperation and progress. Europe, a continent that was torn by terrible wars, thanks to the European Union is an example for the world of peaceful dialogue and conflict prevention."

And so say all of us.

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You are joking of course, aren't you? Peace and prosperity?...cooperation and progress?...riots in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy...savage cuts in living standards, just so that the doomed euro project can stagger on for a few months longer...a totally corrupt organisation whose own auditors have refused to sign its accounts off for 14 (or is it 15?) years running...a totally contemptuous attitude towards that rides roughshod over national sovereignty...a demand for a 4.9% rise in its budget, when all governments are reducing their national budgets.

And as for your fatuous "And so say all of us" line, do we really? Tell you what then, put it to a national referendum and see if "all of us" say that. You along with Graham Jones, David Cameron, Ed Milliband and the rest of the political establishment know what sort of answer you'll get! :rolleyes:

Re: Nigel Farage
 

Well said! ;) As someone said "It's a disgrace!" that the EU has been given the Nobel Peace Prize - it may have been Nigel Farage.

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Exclude me from the 'us' too.

I suggest that a peaceful Europe has more to do with NATO than the fat cat bureacrats that infest the European Parliament

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Well ive seen some crap on here in last 7 yrs or so, but this takes the biscuit!!:rolleyes:

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I'm no fan of toffeeguy somehow though, I get the feeling that he may have been tongue in cheek when he said:confused:, so say all of us.
I certainly hope so.:(

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It's Germany who should have got the Peace Prize!
They've conquered Europe without firing a shot.

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As for promoting democracy...the EU wouldn't know democracy from a hole in the ground.
Is it democracy to send countries back to vote again when the outcome isn't that that is required by the EU?

The EU is a money pit...and the sooner we are out of it the better off we will all be.

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...and how richly ironic that the Nobel peace prize is Norwegian - a country that was given a referendum and voted to stay out...twice!

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Do you think Norway awarded it to the EU as a sort of irony thing........? The fact that they stayed out and as a result are rich...we went in and are poor? Sort of rubbing the noses of the EU right in it.
The only two countiries in the EU who are in harmony are France and Germany....seems like it is France's ball and Germany's pitch and the rest of the EU can go hang.

I hate the Eu with such a passion......I don't suppose anyone on here has noticed....have they??

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Nigel Farage reckons the Norwegians have a good sense of humour...but, of course, they can afford to laugh with one of the highest standards of living in Europe! :rolleyes:

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Nice one:D ... but that Germany should even be included in a Peace Prize:eek: We all know why ... or should know why ... the Naz ... oops, that should be "Germans", are now a peaceful nation; and it has nothing to do with their inate love of peace. What next? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad given the honorific, Righteous Among the Nations:rolleyes:?

I wonder who else was in the running? My mind is starting to boggle.;)

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Even with a boggling mind, I managed to snag a brewskie from the fridge;) And as I imbibed, I came up with five runners up for the prize.

1. Bashar al-Assad (son of Half-Assed al-Hassad) for his untiring efforts to bring peace to his troubled country.

2. Kim Jong-un for his ceaseless striving to bring unity and prosperity to a new Korea under his enlightened leadership.

3. Nigel Farage.

4. A leader of the Taliban who wishes to keep his identity and his whereabouts secret.

5. A leader of assorted rapists, murderers, and child soldiers from the Congo ... he also wishes, in all modesty, to remain anonymous and hidden.

In case you are wondering about #3 ... well, I had to stay on topic.;):D

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Carefull, Eric, you mustn't say Naz?
I always wonder what the Germans did in WW2. Were they neutrals like Ireland?
I know we, the USA, USSR(and of course Canada) fought the Nazis but no broadcasters ever mention which side the Germans fought on.Were they were involved at all?

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Well, someone voted for the NSDAP in 1933 (that kinda rhymes; almost poetic, eh;)):eek: In fact, quite a few million "someone"s. I think the elections were rigged by the NAZIS ... of course, there were only ever about a half dozen of them ... Hitler, of course, Goering, Goebels, Himmler, Borman, maybe one two more ... but they worked damned hard.:rolleyes: Maybe they were aliens with hypnotic powers. If they are still floating around that could explain the Nobel prize.

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They were a bit like ground keepers they went in first and prepared the pitch for the slaughter that was to come.