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So, out of 522 votes cast, our MP has voted against his party 3 times, those 3 have been insignificant procedural questions. He's been majorly sucking up by doing the counting in too many parliamentary votes to mention (he's the parliamentary equivalent of a milk monitor).

He blindly toes the party line regardless of public opinion, constituents opinion or downright common sense. In every film you have ever seen where there is a stereotype 'yes man'..that's our MP!

Since he's been elected, he's said nothing of value in the house, he constantly asks predictably unanswerable and obtuse questions, nailed his colours to Ed (call me Margaret) Millibands faltering flag and he's jumped on every available populist bandwagon (except the ones that matter). He's been focused on metal theft and lately fixed odds betting terminals, which have very little relevance to the majority of his constituents.

He slammed Newcastle football club for having Wonga as a sponsor, but he's been deathly quiet about the new Rovers stand sponsor.

His latest tirade...'Elephant Abuse Circus Owner Found Guilty....and Tories won't ban wild animals in circus's'....(I have one single question about that..what did the last Labour government do about banning wild animals in 'circuses'?)

Not one single tweet/apology about his mates ripping off the taxpayer with underhand house swaps. Not one single tweet as to where he stands on rip-off MP's! (Note..Graham Jones expense claims have been exemplary to say the least)

Oh, and he boasts about how Hyndburn council is paying it's employees the 'living wage', (all funded by the taxpayer of course)..but fails to mention that many employers in the private sector can barely afford to pay the minimum wage thanks to the screwups made by the bankers (that his party thought so highly of when they were in government).

I'm not even going down the 95% road.....

I'm angry because his latest attack (the Elephant), is such a predictable attempt at point scoring, which is so predictable to anyone who watched Graham Jones in council meetings.

I'm angry because the attack is so ill thought out and open to counter argument, which is so typical of the current generation of Labour MP's

I'm angry..because I'm a socialist, and Graham Jones so obviously isn't, no matter what the election pamphlets lead you to believe!

I'm angry..because even though Cameron and Clegg are hugely unpopular, with hugely unpopular policies, Milliband has absolutely nothing to offer as an alternative except a deeper involvement with the EU, and is therefore unelectable!

I'm angry because the trough eating cowards in parliament dare not add 'none of the above' as a valid candidate in the next elections and continue to ride roughshod over the will of the people.

But even though I'm angry....I despair!

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Guinness, last time I looked Graham Jones was the MP for Hyndburn and the Rovers aren't in his constituency. He already spends enough time rabbiting on about the Rovers; please don't encourage him more. If he's going to represent the interests of any football club in parliament, it should be...well, you know where I'm coming from. ;)

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So you know where NOT to put the X when voting comes round again.

I have to say that when this man was elected as our MP I hoped for better things from him(that is a triumph of hope over experience).
I now see he is made of the same stuff as many of the other MP's down in the Palace of Westminster.

His ambitions have gone to his head, and the people who he professed to represent are the losers.

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Why not get him to a Council meeting, and ask the elected representatives of Hyndburn to question him on the points you raise?

What's that? Tried it already and what happened? The Conservatives walked out?

Oh. :(

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Well gynn when Jones starts starts going into platitudes it's enough to make any reasonable minded person walk out;)

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I think you have got confused between majority and minority ;)

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a bit of honesty when running for MP would have saved him a lot of grief but he decided to make a false prommise over a very serious issue.

I made extra effort to be home for voting because although not particularly liking the man after his petty bickering with PB and vice versa when a councilor the prommise of voting in favour of a referendum for us over the EU was enough to persuade me to vote for him.

it seemed like 3 weeks before he even showed his face on here after voting against a referendum.Im sure someone will correct that guess but it certainly took a long time to get an answer which was roughly that we were too thick to understand the EU

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We ain't talking "reasonable minded" people here; we are talking tories.;)

I don't see any reason why Guinness should be angry. Maybe disappointed that Hydburn's fearless leader in Westminster has turned out to be just another troughing, unprincipled, hypocrital, over-paid, underworked, platitude spouter. (By the way, we have no shortage of them over here. They are definitely not an endangered species.:rolleyes:) If one doesn't expect too much ... or anything for that matter ... of politicians, then one won't get angry when they turn out the way they do. Maybe the answer is to not vote. I don't mean out of apathy or just general ignorant laziness ... but to make a point that democracy is not working, and that folks have lost confidence not only in politicians, but also in the whole rotten system they represent ... They sure as hell don't represent the people any more.:mad:

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The not voting thing, is what I am in favour of. I still turn out to the polling station - just so that no-one thinks I am idle...and I write a message to the sponsors on my ballot paper.

It matters not one jot who you vote for, if when they get into power, they do not take into consideration the views and values of those who voted for them.
Democracy??? What democracy?

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Disagree with you there, Margaret. Spoilt voting papers are wasted votes. No one's going to read your message - they're just going to chuck it away.

A big protest vote for UKIP would send a clear message to the Con/Lab parties that they've got to start taking notice of us over the EU and a lot of other things too. You don't have to agree with everything that UKIP stands for - I certainly don't. However, a large vote for them could shock the Con/Lab establishment out of their complacency.

I would urge you at the next election to keep your paper intact and vote UKIP!

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Gotta agree wi WYN on that point, They gotta be made to take notice of the people or were going to hell on a handcart.:eek:

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I take what you are saying Steve, but you can only vote for Ukip if they put up a candidate...and so far it has just been the same old, same old...and I know no-one will read my message to the sponsors...and I don't really care...it makes me feel good to put down on paper what I really feel about the no good so and so.

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You can't knock sense into the senseless...and they don't take any notice.
I'm not entirely sure that a huge shift to UKIP will do it either.

It needs something like everyone with-holding their vote...this signifies that we do not permit them to govern...we have withdrawn our consent to be governed.

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That's not practical though...it just ain't going to happen. There is, however, a chance of a large-scale protest vote for a minority party, especially one that's on the up and up like UKIP. Don't forget that Labour were once a minority party like UKIP.

As for whether it'll make a change to the attitudes of Lab/Con. I reckon they will take notice when they see their precious constituencies threatened. At least there's a possibility of a change by voting UKIP. There's no chance of a spoilt voting paper achieving anything.

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It would be a hoot to see an election, doesn't matter in which constituency, where the number of spoiled ballots exceeded those gained by the "winning" candidate:alright: Now that's a message! And the winner is: None of the above:D Almost as much fun as seeing an unpopular Liberal candidate of an unpopular governing party coming in a distant fourth in the riding of Saskatoon-Nutana. In third place was Boh, a black lab, representing the Rhinoceros Party of Canada.:rolleyes:

And to lighten things up a little on a snowy November afternoon:

Rhinoceros Party

Maybe politicians get their power from people taking them seriously. If enough folks laughed at them they might just dry up and blow away. :dancedog:

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As far as I'm aware a "spoilt paper" majority has never occurred anywhere in electoral history, unless someone can tell me otherwise, so it's isn't going to happen now. Also, a spoilt paper tells a major political party nothing about what we do want. At least a vote for UKIP tells 'em we want a referendum on the EU for starters!

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Apparently the majority of those likely to vote UKIP as a protest vote are or were Tory voters. If Cameron looses many of those at the next election he's out! No majority, no Con/Dem coalition.
So the more times people vote UKIP at every opportunity or the more people he thinks will the more worried he'll get. Then he may start listening and acting.
It's the only protest vote which will have any effect. Protest by voting for the other two main pathetic parties might get you one of those pathetic parties in power.

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Please tell me(I might be a bit thick)...how on earth do you vote for a UKIP candidate if there isn't one standing for election in your neck of the woods??
Pray tell, what then, is the alternative??????
Please don't say one of the three parties, who have cocked things up in such momentous style.
I'm just sick of politicians who do not seem to understand what the little people of this country are going through......Like Tim Yeo, the dummy who thinks that an extra £3 a week on our power bills isn't very much....well, no to him it isn't, because he rakes off £140K per year from the green companies he champions(this is on top of whatever else he is entitled to as an MP) so, no...to him it might not be much...but try telling that to someone who is on a fixed income.

They talk down to us, patronise us...but they never LISTEN!

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If enough people in Hyndburn contact UKIP and tell them they want a UKIP candidate to vote for they'll probably put one up.
Also contact your MP and tell him if he continues to ignore those who put him in power you and your friends will be voting UKIP.
These people with their noses in the trough will begin to be afraid if you threaten to take the trough away from them.

Remember, Margaret, not voting or spoiling your paper means you are silent- no one hears yours screams and shouts of anger and frustration!

I'm not a member of UKIP but if I get the chance I will vote for them and I intend to let my MP know it!

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I'm sure 'they' (the powers that be) must know how many people voted...and also how many people turn up but the vote is spoiled(not counted)....and there are people outside from the various parties asking 'How did you vote?'...and I tell them 'None of the above'...surely this message must get back.

I have a conscience. It will not let me vote for someone who does not represent my core values. It would nip and pinch me if I voted for someone and they got elected...it would nip me for the whole of the time they were in office. OK......I know, I'm mad!

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There can't have been a greater display of public opposition to our elected leaders than the ludicrous and farcical police commissioner elections last week.

Yet the results stand, and the 'commissioners' are deemed to have been democratically elected.

At the end of the day, whatever protests are made, whether by spoiled votes, voting for fringe parties, or boycotting the elections altogether, the powers that be carry on regardless.

UKIP will only carry weight if they start winning Parliamentary seats - which given the growing mood of resentment that seems to be widespread, might not be too far distant!

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Thats the real knub of the matter, The arrogant,stupid big 3 must wake up n smell the coffee,if not the time will soon come when the crap really hits the fan.;)

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i can assure you that call has been made and not just by myself.Its now in their hands as to if they put a candidate forward but im sure if they think they have enough support they will:)

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Good.

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then its just a matter of getting those who moan the most off their arses to go and vote.;)

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well, I moan a lot, but I do go to the polling station to spoil my paper...just to show that it isn't apathy......or daytime TV that is keeping me from showing up.

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If they put a candidate up i will be yon P.D.Q.;)

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Put your name forward to stand for election for them

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waaay too many skeletons in my closet to even consider politics it would be like throwing a pork chop into a room of starving men lol:D

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Silly me, I forgot MP's are only allowed to be naughty once they are MP's and not before

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I never held strong political views for many years - Blair & Co changed that. I have never considered the Lib/Dems to be anything more than hand wringing, soft touch wannabe King Makers and so I leant towards the Tories. However the promises of GJ had me fooled, and so finished up being ignored by our representative when he reneged on his promise to support a referendum - saying that we who desired an exit from the EU did not know what we were talking about. Well Mr Jones, I have travelled widely and lived in a number of foreign countries and consider myself to be reasonably well educated, observant and experienced in life. There are plenty of figures published by established organisations that prove that the EU is not the fountain of our prosperity more the drain. EU countries would still want to sell to us and therefore would need to buy from us - one way trade no longer exists and there are plenty of other world markets that are open to us.
GJ tends to keep well away from this forum, his acolytes may try to defend him but rapidly disappear off the thread when they are asked embarrassing(?) questions about him.
Roll on a UKIP candidate because I certainly won't be voting for our current representative.