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How many people have had their TV reception blocked out by the Wind Farm on Ossy Moor. The Windfarm Company sent an aerial company round to our house this afternoon to turn my aerial from Winter Hill to Haslingden.and we would lose 60% of our channels. I told him no you can't do it, it is unacceptable to lose so many channels when we have not had them all that long. He told me that for a contribution to the council I could have a basic freesat installed so I told him where to go.We have a twin channel digital recorder which we can't use. All I am asking for is for the same as I have now.Is it too much to ask.

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Just wondered if the aerials you have are quite old, as these need updating sometimes ?

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No our aerial is only about five years old

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Heres a list of freesat channels, freesat Channels - Free Satellite, HD & Radio Channels - freesat is there something you get on freeview currently that isn't listed?

they should certainly replace your twin tuner PVR with a freesat equivalent so you are no worse off...

My Mum recently switched to Winter Hill for exactly the reason of Haslingden having less channels, luckily she doesn't appear to be affected. Hers is a brand spanking new fancy aerial though. At my house we have never been able to get a terrestrial signal due to teh trees etc being in the way so I've been on Sky for > 12 years

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that windfarm was put up a few weeks after cameron announced severe cutbacks on windfarms,what a shame he didnt sort it sooner.

what an eyesore and waste of money.They have spent most of the time switched off because its been too windy for them.One would think they would design something that can handle high winds as it would generate more electricity.Its not as though our windy days are any match for hurricanes like they get in the USA for example.I go past them every day and the most i have seen in operation is 3.

a tin of beans and a childs windmill toy stuck behind my arse would generate more electricity than what they have and be a lot cheaper too

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just a tip for those suffering from signal loss if your laptop has hdmi output and you have hdmi on your tv some tv shows can be slavaged if you hook your laptop up to your tv and watch iplayer,4od and the itv one.

you can also connect via a vga cable but you need to run sound to your tv seperatly or use a set of computer speakers

or just watch it on your computer if you dont mind a small screen

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be be wary if you are on a capped data package as its dead easy to batter through 2 GIG when streaming TV!

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As far as I am aware only 4 have been mechanically and electrically commissioned so far which is why there have only been 4 turning so far. The rest will come online over the next few months as they are commissioned.


I agree they are not very nice to look at, as for waste of money I think we will have to wait 25 years until they are decommissioned before we will know if they were a waste of money. They are quoting that they could supply 52% of Hyndburns electricity but again only time will tell how accurate that is.

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I've seen more than 4 turning as we can see them when we walk Max up the track from our house.More and more people are now saying their tellies are getting a bad signal. I feel sorry for the older generation who cannot understand and thinking their tellies are on the blink.

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Current expected life span of a wind turbine- 10 years before major failure or major maintenance. Some are only lasting 3 or 4 years before the gearboxes go 'crunch'.
Efficiency- I think it was less than 20% and on the cold, windless days in winter the only way they'll keep you warm is if you keep running round them.
Wasted money- I think so. Blots on the landscape- definitely.

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I do not think wind turbines are all that we are told they are. Maintenance costs must be horrific - bad enough on land but what about the ones in the sea. If there is no wind then back up power must be provided - fossil fuels or nuclear. If there is too much wind then then the same problem arises as they have to be shut down.
They are supposed to be the answer to climate change, but to my mind they actually contribute significantly to climate change.
Firstly there is the manufacturing process, not just of the turbines but also the construction and additional cable - all of which use significant energy.
Secondly, we are told that energy cannot be created or destroyed, so if we assume that a turbine is 97% efficient then for every megawatt of electricity that a turbine generates more than a megawatt of energy is extracted from the wind - lots of turbines, lots of megawatts must result in a very great reduction in the winds. Wind is an intrinsic factor in weather patterns, so if the wind patterns change then the climate must change, perhaps that is why weather forecasts have become so unreliable.
Stop the turbines and increase nuclear or fossil fuel power generation seems to be the only sensible way to go.

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there were 5 operating tonight on our side of the wind farm.Maybe when they get to running 6 they will clear fog over hassy old road :-)

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How can increasing fossil fuel power be sensible when it is a finite source of energy and is known to effect the climate.

As for gearbox failure, they expect to change one in the 25 year life of the 12 which is less than a 10% failure rate.

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And how much energy do they take up when they're being built?

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Has anyone been experiencing interference on their digital phones since these things were commissioned?

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Not noticed but our DAB radio signal has gone

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Do you mean mobile phone or cordless home phone?

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Web will see how many times respairs are needed, but of course we will only know what the companies tell us - can we rely upon them to be totally honest?

I would much prefer the nuclear option - providing we don't have them built by the companies that did 5 Mile Island or Chernobyl the safety record is very good. Yes there is a long term problem with the disposal/storage of nuclear waste but that can be safely resolved - and they would not have any influence on wind patterns and therefore changes to weather patterns - might even bring back sunny summertime.

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I have no real problem with either wind farms or nukpeculiar, I have got a problem with getting my head around how much damage wind farms could do to such a strong force as our atmosphere, compared to foolishly disposing of spent nuclear fuel.

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I don't mind the wind farm being so close to my house but I would not want a nuclear power plant that close. Would you?

As for repairs the big give away will be seeing them build the big crane in site to remove the gearbox and replace with a new one.

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Make sure your all sitting down, I don't want this exciting news to finish off the old folk.

Today 7 were turning

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Yipee bring it on

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Now if I lived in Baxenden I would regard this as a credible excuse to give the licence fee cowboy callers after I had cancelled my TV licence direct debit.

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Not everyone is suffering bad reception in Baxenden, my mum doesn't but my sister in law does, they are about 400 yd apart as the crow flies

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Cordless home phone, Neil

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Get rid - they give off more EMF than mobile phones.

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if i leave my cordless phone off teh charger it is flat by the time i get home because of them PPI stalkers.Before PPI stalkers i could leave my phone off charge for days

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Unless you live 50 yards from the wind mill I don't see how they could cause your cordless phone a problem.

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TV's...phones..kettles. All knackered because of these windmills. Even the weather is up the spout. Who else has noticed that since these windfarms started to appear the climate has gone berserk? We don't have proper winters and summers anymore..nowt but droughts followed by floods. Pathetic. Get rid of 'em. Bring back proper coal, gas and nuclear power stations. It's the only way.

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these windmills are in a very dangerous area

so much metal so near to a village with so many travelers :)

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Just had a visit from an aerial engineer, fitted Freesat for me.I refused to have my aerial directed to Haslingden and lose channels

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Cheers, Margaret. Hardly use the bloody thing anyway, rely on my Blackberry.

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Do you have to have a separate Freesat box if your TV is Freeview? If so what if you have more than one TV with different inputs-more than one box?
More important, did they supply the box and dish FOC?

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FreeSat can be picked up on a Sky dish, a dish with a quad head will pick up 4 channels, 2 on FreeSat and 2 on Sky, mine is set up to recieve one channel Sky and two channels FreeSat via a recorder downstairs, and 1 channel FreeSat upstairs.
Whether the tele has has freeview built in does'nt matter. All round I prefer the signal quality on FreeSat, and it has far more channels than Winter Hill.

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You can get more than 4 channels at once with a quad ;)

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Yes I got the Freesat Satellite Dish and the set top box F.O.C. Just keep pestering them . I told them I was ringing Granada TV and the Telegraph and sent emails to Graham Jones

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I live in Baxenden and when we moved here in 1980 reception was a bit dodgy on one channel but improved with time. Thus I had perfect TV reception for BBC and ITV on the old analogue system. When digital freeview was first announced at the beginning of this century and started being introduced I bought a freeview TV with inbuilt box and an expensive new powerful TV aerial which gave excellent analogue reception on a multitude of channels and this was the case when the digital switch over came .... until this year when my blood pressure steadily rose to bubbling point.

It took two emails to get any reaction from Energiekontor UK Ltd and I suspect I only received a 'phone call within 5 minutes of my 2nd email being sent on 6th inst., 'cos I'd also sent a copy to Graham Jones, MP & Bash councillors. The aerial rigger came that afternoon and after I'd refused to accept his offer of fitting an aerial which would give "excellent" reception but scarcely any channels, he spent an age in the icy wind and snow fitting a freesat aerial at a cost of £160.00 - they to kindly donate £100.00 towards it
With scarcely a minute to spare after he left with a £60 cheque and the new aerial & box top giving decent pictures, son appeared and tuned in to watch the football on ITV4 only to see a black screen announcing "No Signal". :dflam:

On command, the rigger reappeared yesterday - tested the TV, demonstrated that ITV4 signal was available that day and also apologised for leaving me an icy draught and a coaxial cable which wasn't firmly affixed in the larger than required hole in my wall (which was initially hidden from my view by a large plant being placed in front of it).

This pensioner is not a happy bunny.

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You should not have paid for it I didn't. I refused to accept any less than I had and said I would not pay for anything that was not my fault

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Graham Jones MP: Digital TV: Tory Council negotiated a terrible deal with little protection for Baxenden residents

Saw this looking for fracking.
Looks like maxthecollie did well not having to pay at all,Lucygirl had to pay as agreed.
Must agree with GJ- the Tory Council made a very bad deal with EnergieKontor, seeing as they were giving them a licence to print money(taxpayers money!).
There should have been no financial limit on the requirement to see every household(however many) were given free Freesat support, whatever ariels/boxes were needed.

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Perhaps the Council will refund the difference to affected residents out of the nest egg that they sit on which we are told is largely committed to cover possible threats.
This isn't a threat it is real, and the residents are being asked to make up for another screw-up by the Council
One question does arise though - did the Council Labour Members not have sight of the proposed contract before it was signed?

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I urge members to stick to their guns and not pay we need to stick together on this.Why should Hyndburn residents have to pay or lose channels they have just got with this wonderful digital age.Stand up to Energiekontor.

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£10,000 maximum legal commitment, first estimate 400 homes affected- that's £25 per home. That might just pay for the engineer to knock on your door, say'Hello. Goodbye' and go.
Now 100 homes possibly- £10 per home!
What incompetent joker negotiated that and which incompetent councillors accepted it?

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I had two engineers visit me. The first one came from Wigan and said he had come to direct my aerial to Haslingden. I wont tell you my reply but he went away. I rang Nathan Wicks at Energiekontor and explained what had happened. This was followed by a visit from a local engineer equipped with a two channel recording Freesat Box to install it. He never asked for money.Did the job and bid me farewell.

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So basically, Graham Jones has done diddly squat about the problem except post a blog about how crap Peter Britcliffe was at negotiating. There's a surprise :eek: Lost count of the number of times he posted the word conservative in a negative connotation.

I doubt very much that the boss of EnergieKontor and Britcliffe sat around a table in the Regency over gammon and chips, hammering out possible compensation. I guess the whole HBC legal team and associated civil servants that negotiated this have now been replaced by Miles Parkinson, cos he's so much better at 'due diligence'

Does this MP really think the voters are stupid?

Maybe Jones should have shown a bit of 'due diligence' when aligning himself with a party consisting of the likes Margaret Moran et al.

Jones should stick to asking moronic questions in Parliament about how many foxes there are in Hyndburn and leave dealing with real issues like this to real people like maxthecollie who, instead of apportioning blame, get off their backsides, fight for their rights and win!

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This thread has raised an interesting question.

Why should some licence payers get more channels than others?

If you are on a repeater you get less channels than if you are on a main transmitter but everyone pays tge same.

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We pay the Licence Fee to receive BBC Channels. Years ago when there was only BBC and one ITV channel, a woman was taken to court for refusing to pay - she said her TV wasn't tuned into BBC as she only watched ITV. She lost her case.

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Radio stations are still on wave bands and I believe are not being affected by these wind farm turbines. The last government decided to switch the country over to digital because the airwaves were getting too crowded. In the event I believe since the digital introduction they've sold licences for those airwaves to other concerns. They must have known that the turbines would affect our digital TV receivers - which reminds me; the BBC has a tool on their website for councils and wind farm developers. I don't know how long this page has been in operation but it could have helped the council to make an informed assessment:-

<<This tool is provided for the guidance of wind farm developers. It provides a rough estimate of the population that may suffer interference to their television services from a wind farm built at the location specified. The tool is not intended to be a substitute for an on-site survey where the potential for disruption to television services may be assessed more accurately.>>
BBC - Help receiving TV and radio - Wind farms and interference to TV reception

It looks like there's a power struggle going on in the coalition government with the Tories wanting to stop building the farms and the Lib-Dems opposing their partners.
dated 25th Nov.2012:
UK Government At War Over Wind Farms | The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)

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You don't pay to receive BBC channels, you pay a licence to receive any publicly broadcast television service, they have tweaked the rules slightly over the years to cover modern broadcasting methods.

I think its wrong that many people receive an inferior service but pay the same as those that are fortunate enough to receive 6 multiplexes from a main transmitter

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Would be nice if I could get a signal from either WH or Hassy but I can't so have only a choice of freesat or Sky....

Ian

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Your not trying hard enough, a 30m mast with a good aerial on top should help :D

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If he makes the mast 50m he can put a windmill on top and generate his own electricity as well.
;)

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Perhaps I could just nick one of those off ossy moor that everyones complaining about and shove it in my back garden... ( and no, if one does go missing, I'm not being serious!!!)

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Thank God you aren't serious:D

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I'd let you tap into it though....

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Generosity must be your middle name:)

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Some of my neighbours have been asked to contribute £60 towards the cost of Freesat but I have advised them to say no, as mine was fitted free.

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This was the subject in the corner newsagents today - one chap who'd already paid his £60 then learnt others had got the same for free had to go home for health reasons.

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Did anyone else have TV reception problems early this morning (Friday)? I couldn't get a decent reception on any BBC channel or Granada ITV either via my original aerial nor the new Freesat dish receiver.

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Has anyone else experienced disrupted picture and sound these last several days?

Initially I thought it might be the outside broadcast programmes but it's also been happening in studio programmes aswell ........... particularly exasperating when the picture either freezes or pixelates for several seconds and you miss the answer to a quiz or the punchline to a joke :mad:

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its about time the BBC lost its government backing and were made to earn tehir money like every other channel

its easy to stay in buisness when the government say you have to pay for something regardless of if you actually want it or not

i doubt they would last a year without teh licence fees all tehir stars would sod off to sky or itv because they wouldnt be able to afford teh extortionate fees that are demanded by the likes of johnathan ross

yes i know he works for itv now but licence fee payers arnt paying his wages now

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Anybody experiencing interference with TV reception due to the Oswaldtwistle Wind Farm can contact Councillor Kath Pratt on [email protected] Kath is a Councillor for Baxenden Ward where most of the TV interference is occurring. Apparently the situation in in the hands of a solicitor. Kath will be able to tell you more.

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Thanks Judith - I didn't know it had gone that far!

When I had to use the top box provided I lost facilities to record and also watch programmes I'd already recorded. A bit galling really as the recorder wasn't all that old.

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What's TV reception like for others in the areas affected by the Haslingden Wind farm?

I'm having dreadful TV reception in Baxenden these last few days, it's so bad that the replace box top has started to sporadically lose signals altogether.

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The recent weather has caused us some minor interruptions to the service - as you seem to have had this, and other possibly related problems for some time, I would suggest that you get the dish alignment checked and also your unit configuration/connections.

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The wind farm people sent somebody to check everything a couple of weeks ago. I've got my original aerial and also their dish which they installed a while back. He said he hadn't needed to re-align anything and I've got strong signals and everything is A okay. However, he did decide to change a waterproof tape on the dish wiring to a different type. The weather and the reception was perfect when he arrived and perfect when he left.

This wasn't the same company which installed the wind farm's dish and "Manhattan" top box and I declined his suggestion that the dish be changed from pointing towards a satellite to pointing towards Haslingden.

This bad reception situation is reminiscent of fifty years ago when TV sets were prone to losing a stable picture.
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I may well be missing something here. My understanding was that Winter Hill, and the repeater at Haslingden use terrestrial signals via a Yagi Antenna - a rod with cross bars on it pointing at the transmitter. I didn't realise that a satellite dish was used for this form of transmission.

If I am correct in that the dish antenna is for satellite reception, then the chap that suggested you have it pointed at Haslingden repeater is probably a tarmac drive engineer.

If you had good reception when the weather was good then it may be that the alignment isn't quite true, or if sealing tape on the LNB connectors had to be replaced it may be that water has entered the LNB. I suggest that you get someone competent to check out your installation.

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Sorry - my mistake.

(1) It was suggested that my original aerial be moved so that it pointed towards Haslingden. I wasn't keen on that as I was more than satisfied when that aerial was installed and picked up a perfect signal from Winter Hill. Somewhere on this site I wrote that when the poor reception problem started last year I paid a local rigger to check the status of my original aerial. This was when I learnt of the wind farm. The advantage of most local riggers is they know where the local problems are in each street, such as trees interfering with signals, etc. Unless things have changed in the several decades I've lived in this house, then I know that I would have a sporadic problem receiving the Haslingden signal without the windfarm being built.

(2) The alternative dish provided by the wind farm's original representative is pointed towards a satellite and the reception had, until recently, been acceptable. The problem with the dish and its attending top box is that both of them are of low quality thus denying me the use of my programme recording equipment. This latest technician offered to provide a new top box and install an addition onto the dish to enable me to use my programme recorder.

(3) Why would anyone want to point towards Haslingden when their channels are stuffed full of "teleshopping" programmes?

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When you say the picture was acceptable do you mean the picture was perfect? The picture should be perfect with no noise, braking up or blockiness when you have a correctly installed digital satellite dish and receiver.

You say the Manhattan set top box is of low quality which I find surprising because they were always the Rolls Royce of satellite equipment that most enthusiasts couldn't afford to buy.

How much money did he want for installing the extra equipment so you could use your recorder?



Winter hill will have all the same teleshopping programmes as Haslingden, it probably has more of them as it carries more channels.

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There are even more shopping channels on freeview with a dish

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Another apology from me for using the wrong words - unfortunately I don't have technical vocabulary....
I was told by the chap who originally fitted the Manhatten gadgetry that I could not use my recording machine with it. The chap who visited recently said that if I wanted to use my recorder then the dish needed extra gadgetry .... he demonstrated what I needed by pointing to a 'thing' in the middle of the black dish affixed to an external wall - (the 'thing' is shaped like a little fat sausage lol ) my understanding is I either needed another sausage or needed a new dish which had the required elements as integral fittings.

Currently my recorder is tuned into my original TV programmes which use the original aerial. If there is uninterrupted reception via the aerial I can view my old recordings.

Due to my age, I catnap and through the night when most people are asleep the aerial TV actually has programmes such as films/dramas which i like to watch. There are no similar programmes available on the channels via my dish.

MONEY: The rigger who the wind farm recently sent said the cost was F.O.C.

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YOU HAVE THE SAME BOX AS ME YOU NEED A TWIN UNIVERSIAL SATELLITE LNB IT HAS TWO CABLES GOING TO THE BOX ONE FOR THE TUNER AND ONE FOR THE RECORDER Twin Universal Satellite LNB : Satellite LNBs : Maplin Electronics

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Perhaps so, I don't tune in to the shopping channels but if I fall asleep on a channel that shifts to 'shopping', when it finishes broadcasting progs, it's always tat they are selling!

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Isn't it freesat with a dish and freeview with terestrial reception ?

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That was my understanding too:confused:

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A recorder for attachment to a satelite dish must have two input lead connections at the rear, if it was manufactured for terrestrial recordings via a roof top arial pointing at Winter Hill or Haslingden, then it won't work. I have a recorder upstairs that wil not record via satelite no matter which way I try to connect the set to box & recorder. I only keep it and use it now for copying tapes to DVD's

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Nothing's free in this world :)

I suppose I ought to apologise yet again for not giving the correct nomenclature

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I'm nearly past caring - however, the last engineer did say that my recorder would work if connected correctly to the satellite top box plus its dish thingy (if he provided them).

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Aha! thanks..... two thingies = "Twin" = that sounds about right :)

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There's still 3 things free as yet.
Fresh air, Critisism & Advice, but the Fresh air is difficult to find.
When you find it let me know, I could do with a few lung full.

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No point fitting a twin LNB when quads are cheaper at CPC 300425 - -- - LNB SKY MK3 QUAD | CPC

I would buy a freesat twin input recorder set top box. This will let you watch one program and record another the same way as Sky+ works.

Then put the set top box you have now in another room if you have another TV in the house.

You will need the LNB replacing on your dish for a quad link I linked above. You will need an extra cable running from your dish to your main TV and a cable from your dish to your TV in the other room (if you have one)

Then sell your current recorder as it appears to be no use to you.

Out of interest what channels can your get through your aerial when it works that you can't get on freesat?

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Thanks for all the equipment links, the advice and the pointers you've given - it's much appreciated.

I've started to use the computer for viewing TV programmes and I plan to give the recorder to a son, which gets rid of that problem - It was the best recorder I'd had and it was only a few months old when the wind farm upset the apple cart. I used to use the recording facility for channels I wasn't viewing and also whilst I was watching another programme it came in handy if I'd missed a word or phrase (due to old ears), etc., I could immediately replay the scene whilst the machine still carried on recording.