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heth 03-01-2013 22:43
Report in the Mail
 
Just come across this on Daily Mail, my first thought is why did they take the pictures in the dark with a spotlight....................................make it look worst why dont you?!

Rows of boarded-up terraced houses in Accrington to be brought back to life with £10m revamp | Mail Online

Rob249 03-01-2013 22:48
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bbc news cameras have been filming in woodnook today it must have been on the news about 10 times today.It looks grim.

ToffeeGuy 03-01-2013 23:03
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Mmm. Typical Daily Mail.

I just hope Hyndburn Borough Council have a press officer who can issue a response to this. But typical of a lot of streets in East Lancashire at the moment since the government pulled the plug on the HMR programme. I personally think they have done a good job on the new build houses on Blackburn Road.

Unfortunately the type of people who these types of houses might have attracted in the past have disappeared and don't want to live in these areas. First time buyers with small families. Families with two incomes can afford to live elsewhere.

Some streets nearby will no doubt be overcrowded with large families and in the normal course of events they would move to semis on the edge of town. But they want to remain in these streets with uncles, aunts, etc living across the road. They are prepared to wait until houses in these derelict streets are converted into 2into1s so that they can remain within the tight knit community. It is up to other to judge if this is good for the town and leads to a vibrant community for all residents of Accrington.

BERNADETTE 03-01-2013 23:22
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The area looks just as it is, a damn disgrace. Heres hoping that money will be invested to creat affordable options for buying for people on low wages rather than renting off rogue landlords who really don't give a toss about the state of the properties they rent out. Since most social housing was sold off some people on low incomes have very little as to where they rent. Hopefully the area will be brought back to life with affordable options to buy for decent people. Not all people who live in this area are scum but maybe the council should have addressed the situation sooner. Other arreas of the borough have had more than their fair share of regeneration funds, why was Woodnook allowed to get in the state it is in to start with. Makes my blood boil that some areas get all the funding whilst others are left to rot.

ToffeeGuy 03-01-2013 23:55
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 1035524)
The area looks just as it is, a damn disgrace. Heres hoping that money will be invested to creat affordable options for buying for people on low wages rather than renting off rogue landlords who really don't give a toss about the state of the properties they rent out. Since most social housing was sold off some people on low incomes have very little as to where they rent. Hopefully the area will be brought back to life with affordable options to buy for decent people. Not all people who live in this area are scum but maybe the council should have addressed the situation sooner. Other arreas of the borough have had more than their fair share of regeneration funds, why was Woodnook allowed to get in the state it is in to start with. Makes my blood boil that some areas get all the funding whilst others are left to rot.
I would think that council would have some sort of 'part-buy' scheme in place so that those on low incomes can afford these renovated houses.

I am almost certain that these houses WON'T be sold to rogue landlords once renovated and that Hyndburn Council will have a social landlord on board with the scheme, someone like Twin Valley Homes, who will oversee responsible letting and maintenance of properties. Plus anyone buying these homes once renovated will probably have conditions attached to the deeds of the property so that they can't be sold on quickly either for a profit or to 'rogue' landlords.

A similar scheme in Nelson was shown on the BBC's Empty Homes show and this has had generally good publicity. Streets of fully renovated properties which people are keen to buy because they have been knocked 2into1 making large four bedroom properties. The Daily Mail should show these.

It is very sad that Woodnook is looking like this. The best thing is probably to demolish them. But in other areas of East Lancashire heritage groups have objected to demolition on the grounds that these types of properties are of historic value. I don't know if this has happened in Accrington.

As for other areas getting the cash first. I don't work for Hyndburn Council. But the Housing Market Renewal scheme was meant to last for 15 years and the ConDem government pulled the plug about 6 years into that period. Unfortunately this has probably meant that some areas which were next now wouldn't get help or help will be delayed until sums are available from other sources. This is what I would guess from articles I have read.

susie123 04-01-2013 00:00
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I posted a comment to the DM article earlier this evening and they haven't even published it though 240 odd others have got through at the time of posting this message. Many of those are so ignorant about life in this part of the world that it made my blood boil, though that wasn't what my comment was about. It was about folks that don't even bother to read the article and then comment on the wrong facts. GRRR!

BERNADETTE 04-01-2013 00:12
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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 1035525)
I would think that council would have some sort of 'part-buy' scheme in place so that those on low incomes can afford these renovated houses.

I am almost certain that these houses WON'T be sold to rogue landlords once renovated and that Hyndburn Council will have a social landlord on board with the scheme, someone like Twin Valley Homes, who will oversee responsible letting and maintenance of properties. Plus anyone buying these homes once renovated will probably have conditions attached to the deeds of the property so that they can't be sold on quickly either for a profit or to 'rogue' landlords.

A similar scheme in Nelson was shown on the BBC's Empty Homes show and this has had generally good publicity. Streets of fully renovated properties which people are keen to buy because they have been knocked 2into1 making large four bedroom properties. The Daily Mail should show these.

It is very sad that Woodnook is looking like this. The best thing is probably to demolish them. But in other areas of East Lancashire heritage groups have objected to demolition on the grounds that these types of properties are of historic value. I don't know if this has happened in Accrington.

As for other areas getting the cash first. I don't work for Hyndburn Council. But the Housing Market Renewal scheme was meant to last for 15 years and the ConDem government pulled the plug about 6 years into that period. Unfortunately this has probably meant that some areas which were next now wouldn't get help or help will be delayed until sums are available from other sources. This is what I would guess from articles I have read.
From my understanding there is to be a system where families on lower incomes will be offered the chance of as you say "let to buy schemes" and not before time IMHO. The infrastrucure of our borough has long gone and unless you are able to find reasonably paid employment outside of manufacturing work your chances of earning decent wages went with the factories. Hopefully these properties when renovated will be affordable to those on the lowest incomes who take pride in going out to "earn a crust" so to speak.
As for the Housing Market Renewal, only the blind wouldn't be able to see where it went when it should have been spread throughout the borough. Hopefully this new scheme will see Woodnook restored to it's former glory, we must wait and see. It is no more than the long suffering residents deserve IMHO

ToffeeGuy 04-01-2013 01:09
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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1035526)
I posted a comment to the DM article earlier this evening and they haven't even published it though 240 odd others have got through at the time of posting this message. Many of those are so ignorant about life in this part of the world that it made my blood boil, though that wasn't what my comment was about. It was about folks that don't even bother to read the article and then comment on the wrong facts. GRRR!
Don't worry. Your comment was probably intelligent and reasoned so they didn't think it was worthy of publishing alongside the right-wing nut-jobs who occupy their comments section.

Luckily the article is now well down the Daily Mail homepage (replaced by the goons in the Big Bother house no doubt). As most DM readers have the attention span of a gnat Accrington's moment in the spotlight will soon be forgotten.

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 07:45
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I grew up in the area in the fifties, it was a lovely place to live......but It is now horribly run down.
I go past these houses most days of the week to visit my mum who is in her 80's and still lives in the area. She says it is not a very nice place to live, but cannot face the upheaval of a move at her time of life(she owns her home).
Her front door is locked most of the time because she feels it isn't safe anymore.

I hope the houses are made fit to live in. I hope that families can regenerate the area, but I hope the homes are not let out to all one ethnicity.

jaysay 04-01-2013 09:14
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I saw the BBC footage yesterday, couldn't actually work out where it was at first, until Clair Pritchard was interviewed, just a little thread wonder here, Is it just me or does anybody else think that Clair is like a one man band at HBC, it appears every report I read in the Obs or LT, comments are from Clair she seems to be running the council single handed

Neil 04-01-2013 12:17
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I still think they should knock them down and build some modern shoe box houses

lancsdave 04-01-2013 12:44
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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 1035520)
Mmm. Typical Daily Mail.

I just hope Hyndburn Borough Council have a press officer who can issue a response to this. .
Why would they need to respond, I would imagine they or the developers contacted the Daily Mail. The article is about the fact something is being done, it wouldn't need doing if it wasn't run down and grim, hence the storyline.

ToffeeGuy 04-01-2013 14:20
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1035581)
Why would they need to respond, I would imagine they or the developers contacted the Daily Mail. The article is about the fact something is being done, it wouldn't need doing if it wasn't run down and grim, hence the storyline.
If that is the case I just hope the Daily Mail come back when the houses are renovated and do a more positive article.

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 15:21
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If the Mail are representing the area in its true light then what is the problem/issue....it is a very rundown area.......how can this be portrayed any differently?
The area is similar to many areas in northern industrial towns, where industry has left and poverty has moved in.
The poverty isn't just in the financial sense, but in ideas and expectations too.
The fact that someone has spotted the potential to do something constructive with these houses is a good thing...and that they are going to be rented out at below the market rental price...isn't that positive?
Isn't it positive that 10million pounds is going to be spent on the regeneration of five streets in this area?
Who can tell if this will lead to a model that can be used in other towns, to bring much needed housing at an affordable cost to families who are desperate for decent accommodation...isn't that positive?

And I am not getting at you or being 'fly', I am just trying to point out that if you read the article, it isn't negative at all.
If it works out(and we should invest a bit of trust that it will) it will be good news for the Woodnook area.....and ultimately for the town in general.

Less 04-01-2013 16:13
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It isn't the only area of Accy like that, I just wonder, who will move in? Obviously the town has lost one heck of alot of people for street upon street to be boarded up. If the houses are refurbished, without jobs in the area who will move in?
Perhaps the people already in similar standard properties?
Then we'll have other streets unoccupied boarded up and need another article in the Mail.
These houses have gone down hill over the last 20/30 years because no-one has invested in the important part of the area, jobs.
With jobs that generates pride in an area and people invest in their own property, without jobs, those that can move to where the jobs are.

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 16:50
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On here we frequently see requests for recommendations for houses to rent.....decent houses at decent rental rates are very hard to come by.
If these houses are rented at below market rents, then it may just generate some interest...and the area in question isn't a million miles away from motorway links.

As for it not being the only area in Accrington like that....well of course it isn't...it isn't the only area in the north west.......and part of the reason for the dereliction of the area is outlined as being the loss of local industry.
Who knows if the company doing this regeneration work will do further projects on a rent-to-buy basis.
It will surely depend on the success of the current undertaking.
I just hope that the houses aren't all aimed at one ethnicity.

Eric 04-01-2013 17:51
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1035621)
On here we frequently see requests for recommendations for houses to rent.....decent houses at decent rental rates are very hard to come by.
If these houses are rented at below market rents, then it may just generate some interest...and the area in question isn't a million miles away from motorway links.

As for it not being the only area in Accrington like that....well of course it isn't...it isn't the only area in the north west.......and part of the reason for the dereliction of the area is outlined as being the loss of local industry.
Who knows if the company doing this regeneration work will do further projects on a rent-to-buy basis.
It will surely depend on the success of the current undertaking.
I just hope that the houses aren't all aimed at one ethnicity.
Mmmm ... "the loss of local industry":confused: Who lost it? What are the chances of finding it? And is this a thread wander;)?

cmonstanley 04-01-2013 18:23
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i wonder who owns the company thats doing the contract :confused:PLACEFIRST LIMITED of M20 5PG in MANCHESTER UNITED KINGDOM how do these companies get set up and then get multi million contracts:confused:

cmonstanley 04-01-2013 18:29
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another thing,i thought there would be a lot of interest in these houses as the latest housing benefit cuts will be the cause of a lot of down sizing and people looking for new premises.

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 19:03
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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1035642)
Mmmm ... "the loss of local industry":confused: Who lost it? What are the chances of finding it? And is this a thread wander;)?
While you are thread wandering, if you find our local industry..please point it in the direction of Accrington:).

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 19:06
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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1035648)
another thing,i thought there would be a lot of interest in these houses as the latest housing benefit cuts will be the cause of a lot of down sizing and people looking for new premises.
some of the houses will be four bedrooms...hardly downsizing is it?

As for who owns the company doing the regeneration...I'm sure with a bit of gumption and investigation you could find out and tell us...though, as you now live in Scotland, I cannot see why you would have much interest.

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 19:12
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here you go...I have saved you the bother.

team | PlaceFirst

All you could wish to know.

susie123 04-01-2013 19:21
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1035660)
here you go...I have saved you the bother.

team | PlaceFirst

All you could wish to know.
And Martin Ellerby of that team is a member of Accyweb. See post 34 on the Woodnook improvement thread.

cmonstanley 04-01-2013 19:56
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1035656)
some of the houses will be four bedrooms...hardly downsizing is it?

As for who owns the company doing the regeneration...I'm sure with a bit of gumption and investigation you could find out and tell us...though, as you now live in Scotland, I cannot see why you would have much interest.
why not :confused: last time i looked its a free country lol theres nothing about the companies movers and backers nothing un-official just managing directors its like a ghost company.just wondering if anybody could enlighten us.the bit capital £475 mede me chuckle

MargaretR 04-01-2013 20:05
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Families who need 4 bedrooms and have the income to support 3+ children don't choose a terraced house with no garden - so the families who occupy them will be on benefits.

cmonstanley 04-01-2013 20:44
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if they are on benefits,where are the people who are going to move into them going to come from:confused: 200 houses to fill is a lot of people.1 person to a bedroom is 800 people add 100 couples is 900 people.so thats 900 people going to appear out of nowhere :confused::confused:

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 21:00
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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1035663)
why not :confused: last time i looked its a free country lol theres nothing about the companies movers and backers nothing un-official just managing directors its like a ghost company.just wondering if anybody could enlighten us.the bit capital £475 mede me chuckle
You could check out other information about this company(You don't expect me to do it all for you, do you? I have given you a lead, a start - now if you are really interested instead of trying to score political points...go figure)......on another site it says it has 10-20 employed people...it is backed to some degree by the Carbon trust......the regeneration programs are trying to make the housing that is regenerated energy efficient.

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 21:07
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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1035671)
if they are on benefits,where are the people who are going to move into them going to come from:confused: 200 houses to fill is a lot of people.1 person to a bedroom is 800 people add 100 couples is 900 people.so thats 900 people going to appear out of nowhere :confused::confused:
The 200 houses that are being regenerated are currently two up and two down terraced,these are going to be converted into four bedroomed houses...so they will knock two houses(as they are now) into one.
They will be family homes.......and if people have a bigger family and want to rent a property at lower cost then they will move to these whether they have a garden or not...most of these houses have a backyard.
I'm sure that Katex put the plans of these houses up on the planning permission thread.

And C'mon, yes it is a free country, but I was asking the question as to why you show so much interest when you are so far away, and it is very unlikely to have any impact at all on your life...other than perhaps that of knowing what is being done on what used to be home turf.
And, of course you usually only show interest if there is a possibility that you can have a dig at the tory party.

cmonstanley 04-01-2013 21:07
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cheers for that ,not intersted in political points scoring just genuinely interested in companies like this ie how they come to be in existance,how they are funded,how much tax payers money they get etc

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 21:12
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How come I don't really believe that?
If you could find out anything that had even a sniff of tory about it, (like tax payers money) you would be in there like flynn.
If you really are interested there are e-mail addresses where the people who are involved can be contacted. I'm sure they would be only too happy to enlighten you...as a concerned member of the public.

cmonstanley 04-01-2013 21:19
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suspicous minds:) just curious thats all

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 21:25
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No, not suspicious...just going off your past history of posting...and my aniti cynicism pills have stopped working..must need a higher dose.

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 21:28
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BBC News - Renovation for 200 empty terraced homes in Accrington
More information for you to peruse.
oops sorry, just noticed the above link is also posted on the thread about the regeneration of Woodnook.

cmonstanley 04-01-2013 21:28
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nowt wrong being a cynic:)

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2013 21:34
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If you check out the BBc report in the above link, it answers many of the questions you have asked.

I have done with the legwork(or clickwork) now.

accyman 04-01-2013 22:46
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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1035648)
another thing,i thought there would be a lot of interest in these houses as the latest housing benefit cuts will be the cause of a lot of down sizing and people looking for new premises.
i wonder if they will alter them to be 1 bedroom properties so that people without kids dont get penalised and forced onto the streets because housing benefit wont accomodate a person with a spare bedroom

its fine saying dont pay rent for a person who lives alone in a 2 bedroom property but if theres no 1 bedroom properties where the hell do these people go ?

also according to the rules fathers who have their children at weekends cant have a second bedroom for them so many single men are facing not only loosing their homes but loosing access to their children because to have overnight access you have to be able to provide a bed for them.I pay my own rent now but these rules would have severly screwed up my access to my kids and god knows what i will do if i am no longer able to pay my own rent again i will probbably loose my home:rolleyes:

its not just men effected its anyone living alone in a 2 bedroom property.People who through no fault of their own fnd themselves in a 2 bedromm property are going to be serverly penalized

meanwhile at the other end of teh scale two houses can be knocked into one because someone on benefit cant stop spitting kids out.

if government insists people only have 1 bedroom then they should make 1 bedroom properties available

Eric 04-01-2013 23:08
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1035655)
While you are thread wandering, if you find our local industry..please point it in the direction of Accrington:).
It was just a weird thought ... your kinda neutral or passive way of putting it brought to mind a line from a song: "If it wasn't for the nips being so good at building ships, the yards would still be open on the Clyde.";) Or something like that:D

Margaret Pilkington 05-01-2013 06:34
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Passive/neutral is the only way when you know something is gone...and gone for good.
I suppose it signifies acceptance...you have to SUMO...that is, shut up and move on.

Margaret Pilkington 05-01-2013 06:36
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Personally, I think that these fourbedroomed properties will be aimed at one ethnicity....they are the ones who have the larger families....or is it just my cynicism taking over?

accyman 05-01-2013 12:15
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1035707)
Personally, I think that these fourbedroomed properties will be aimed at one ethnicity....they are the ones who have the larger families....or is it just my cynicism taking over?
i was lucky enough to sell my property in that area before it went totally down the drain but then found myself renting in the area 12 years later on down the line.Its not that common for asians to rent social housing they tend to buy properties rather than rent.These 4 bedroom properties will probbably go to the same ethenic group that destroyed the area in the first place which sad to say was white british.

drug dealers ,prostitues ,theives and smackheads drove the decent folk out or left them unable to sell their houses to anyone other than landlords because no one wanted to buy in an area where within 24 hours of moving in you got burgled and the place got worse and worse until what we see there today which is 4 streets or so of housing that even smackheads dont want

MargaretR 05-01-2013 12:53
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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1035740)
Its not that common for asians to rent social housing they tend to buy properties rather than rent.
That is my understanding too.
They have their own 'banking system' whereby large amounts for house purchase can be gathered from their family members, without need for building societies.

I think they don't pay interest on such loans because religion forbids 'usury'.

jaysay 05-01-2013 14:10
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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1035676)
cheers for that ,not intersted in political points scoring
:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::r ofl38::rofl38:
Oh do stop it off, I'm on water tablets, and its hard enough as it is:D

BERNADETTE 05-01-2013 15:08
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1035664)
Families who need 4 bedrooms and have the income to support 3+ children don't choose a terraced house with no garden - so the families who occupy them will be on benefits.
That is a bit cynical to say the least. Am sure there are many families on low incomes who would be happy to move into one of the renovated properties if they have a chance of buying it

Eric 05-01-2013 17:13
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1035706)
Passive/neutral is the only way when you know something is gone...and gone for good.
I suppose it signifies acceptance...you have to SUMO...that is, shut up and move on.
SUMO, eh ... interesting ... never liked those short forms; I prefer English;). But after another look at the photographs I can see that there has been a hell of a lot of shutting up, but not much moving on. Quite a bit of moving down though.:D

Restless 05-01-2013 18:09
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My sister has 6 children. In blackpool they rent off the council. It is a detached house with six bedrooms. Its like a mansion compared to what I am used to

accyman 05-01-2013 22:35
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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1035789)
My sister has 6 children. In blackpool they rent off the council. It is a detached house with six bedrooms. Its like a mansion compared to what I am used to
obviously you need to up your breeding programme :D

Restless 06-01-2013 00:15
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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1035830)
obviously you need to up your breeding programme :D
Hohoho :)

cmonstanley 06-01-2013 00:18
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i see the council have grown a set after a serial offender has been taken to court 3 times recently ,ie empty house in disrepair.

accyman 06-01-2013 02:56
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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1035836)
Hohoho :)
i wouldnt recomend them ;)

Eric 06-01-2013 06:20
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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1035839)
i wouldnt recomend them ;)
Spoken by one who has done extensive research:D


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