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Do you use buses is a good question to ask seeing the council is still going ahead with the new bus station, even though the town centre is dying on its feet, do we really need a new bus station went there are other things which need attention
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Use em regular, but thats sod all to do wi a bus station further away from the town centre.:rolleyes:
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They are just too expensive. To the degree where the train is actually cheaper if you are staying local and even slightly further a field a taxi is cheaper for more than one of you.
I will get barracked for this but perhaps a way to offset fare rises would be a set fee for bus pass users, perhaps a £1 or 50p a journey, as these form the basis of bus users these days. I understand the objections there would be to this, after all many have worked hard to earn the aforementioned pass but the other day I had to pay £5.60 for a single from Clitheroe to Burnley. £5.60 for a single bus journey!! Grating when you're the only person on the bus actually paying. Bearing this in mind, 50p or £1 to go on day excursions to Skipton, Chorley etc is still excellent value. There is no value in bus travel unless you are on your own and use them all the time. A new bus station is not needed. What is needed is the rent of shops on Broadway and in the Arndale to come down to attract investment and allow local companies to have premises in the town. |
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I would also add that lovely as Burnley's recent multi-million pound bus station is ....it hasn't really halted the borough's continuing decline into one of the country's poorest regions.
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I have a bus pass, but I would be willing to pay a pound for a journey....and I think most bus pass users would be willing to pay something.
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Never use them they cost to much for what they are. I can get a taxi from clayton to ossy for 4 pound straight from my door to my friends door. On a bus it might not be as much im not sure but it would involve going to hare n hounds bus stop waiting then going all way into accrington centre waiting there then off to ossy to eventually end up on thwaites road.
As i said im not sure on todays prices because there is no chance im getting on one so i dont check. Last time i got one i was sat there thinking 'i could have spend 2 quid more and been there by now but im sat here not even a third of the way there' and in my spare time i looked around the buss to have a quick look at how many people were on the bus and thought 'how have i been charged so much when theres 20 people on here it should be cheaper because it can carry so much more than a taxi' |
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I would use buses except that the distance from my house to the nearest bus stop (Blackburn Rd) isn't much shorter than walking to town. No bus stops on Hyndburn rd and I doubt that there will be any after the bus station is built.
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I have renewed my bus pass just in case I fall on hard times :D
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Spot on Bus from town to H&H in clayton is £2.50 and M&M is £1.70. Occasionally I will get the bus with m&m in the morning on the way to work if I am up late.
I agree. Don't see point in moving the bus station again when everything else is going to.... |
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I use the bus regularly, not much choice as I don't drive. Spot on are expensive but you can get a weekly pass, mine is £9:40 for the week, so a damn sight cheaper than paying daily. Bus station doesn't need moving, it will be to far from the market for anybody with a lot of shopping plus there are hardly any shops where it is going to be sited. Complete waste of money IMHO
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I'm not in Accrington, but I did the poll anyway.
I've used a bus 3 times in the last year-when I'd stayed at somebody's house unexpectedly, twice to get back to where my car was parked-and another time to get to the next town. I usually drive or get taxis. I do think buses work out expensive for what they are and it's a shame. I much prefer travelling on buses compared to trains, I don't like train stations and find trains uncomfortable. |
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I agree with Post 15 - Jay has got it spot on. Bury Market, inside & outside is always busy and good value - many things cheaper than the supermarkets and a pleasant attitude from the stallholders, no bad smells in the meat and fish market, a pleasure to shop there.
In addition they have built the mall type complex adjacent to the market, all in all a well thought out, carefully planned complex, yet still retaining the atmosphere that I remember from long ago. Accrington - well the Market Hall is still there despite the councils attempts to improve it, but what a pale shadow of what it was. The outside market, well, I ask the question - Is it as good as it was before the Wilkinson/JJB etc complex was built? I used to look forward to visiting the market on my infrequent visits back home, but now a visit to town - usually a couple of times a week, I am sorry to say that the market only receives a cursory glance. Could the council (whichever colour), not have sought advice and guidance from people who have experience in running and promoting a successful market area? |
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That's 40 years ago, if people wanted to shop in markets still they would all be as busy as they used to be. It's not just shopping habits that have changed, peoples whole lifestyles have changed. Looking at the shops in Accrington will tell you what the shop owners think about Accrington shoppers. Its all charity and pound shops - that says to me that the big shops know there is not much money in Accrington so they stay away or pull out and blame things on the high rents in the Arndale etc because they don't want to say they can't make money out of the shoppers Accrington attracts. Its ok for our retired members to keep saying Accrington used to be busy and the Council should attract more big names but it wont ever happen. Younger people like to shop for their day to day things in Asda/Tesco etc, many of them do it online in the evening while the kids are in bed to fit in with their lifestyle. Even someone of my age (43 before you ask) likes to pop over to the Trafford Centre with my wife in the evening after work, do a little shopping, have something to eat and a bit of peace and quiet from the kids. All town centres are fighting to stay alive, smaller ones will disappear which will in turn help out the larger ones. Accrington will in my opinion disappear and you will have to catch the bus to Blackburn to do you shopping. Accrington cannot support a big shopping centre and must shrink to fit the shops, if it doesn't I think the decline will be even faster. Empty shops looking a mess with put off many shoppers and they will start to go elsewhere sooner. Less people means less trade so more shops will close sooner. I am sure the Council know what is happening and that they can't stop it. Blocking plans to expand retails parks wont help, they will just build one outside of Hyndburn. The Council have no money to redevelop the town, they can't persuade shops to move and redevelop the empty areas and that is what is needed. I don't suppose it helps that many of our Councillors fit into the older and retired bracket either. Sorry for the long rant |
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Blackburn's extension to the Mall and the other work is their attempt to stop the shoppers disappearing somewhere else, it is also a nail in Accringtons coffin. |
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Blackburn doesn't attract me at all.
I hate the new shopping Mall and the market is very poor......two fruit and veg stalls for a town the size of Blackburn. I wouldn't shop in Blackburn if you paid me. |
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Quiet day today Steve, I've only been asked 3 times for money on Peel St |
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Morecambe Sunday market is busy, Milnthorpe market on a Friday near here is busy and the town/village is tiny, and where we used to live in Warwick there is a well used Saturday market and the same in Salisbury where we lived even longer ago.
All these markets take place in a large open space rather than a cramped Victorian style travesty of somethng or other - what I don't know. Maybe that's the difference? I've always found the new Accy outside market very claustrophobic. |
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in america walmart stores are known as town killers and over here we have their asda SUPERMARKET's which have had the same effect on our town and the further building of aldi,tesco etc hasnt helped
yes i said supermarket because as much as the yanks would like to destroy and bastardise our language and make us as fat and dumb as they are a supermarket will be the name i will try my best to remember to use;) (old fart syndrome kicking in early) oh and then theres whitebirk the place all the big names in town shut up to go run and open up there like curry's,dixon's etc which really was an own goal on teh councils part |
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thats becaise most of the dirt bags think the snow is cocaine and are snorting it as best they can ;) |
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Yes, times have changed, not just here but everywhere, WHY? Have times changed so badly for Accrington?
Too much meddling? Not enough meddling? Yes, we've lost industry, yes we've lost factories, so have other towns. What is it that's ripped the heart out of our town? :( |
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basically the building of the arndale center and the destruction of our traditional outdoor market preston's outdoor market which is very similar to what we used to have still thrives amongst the shopping centers and retail parks when our old market was destroyed most of teh stall holders shut up shop for good and those that stayed operated from blue steel containers dumped on broadway for many months.Peopel dont want to come and see such an awfull sight so went elsewhere and most likely now still go elsewhere.The grass was greener on the other side for shoppers and i guess they are still happy there. our outdoor market is now a joke and a shambles and in no way measures up to the old one in any way what so ever.It has no charecter and basically sells tat that you can buy cheaper in the pound shop around the corner.The few shops that are left are stuck between charity shops or have to hope people arnt detered from their doorway by the junkies that doss around town. if only someone would take affirmitive action.. i dunno like maybe take away the benches or something hahahahahaha (sory couldnt resist) |
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No way can i accept,times changed as n excuse fer whats happened to Accrington Centre, That just don't wash wi me. People who have used occasionally have possibly come to that view? People who have used it regular fer many decades may just think like me.
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Doesn't matter what you put in the town. People will only visit once and be driven out by the lowlife scum that inhabit the town centre. They won't come back again.
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I love shopping in a good market(Barcelona's and Palma, Mallorcas being my fav's) and use Accy market for veg when possible as its usually better quality than ASDA and Tesco. I agree the market is a shadow of its former self.. My auntie used to run a stall for many years selling the tabard things people wore in work.... I've not seen one for sale now in donkeys years, people have changed, there is no need any more... Kevin Horkin I first met when he had a stall selling cheap tat jewelry on accy market ( Would have been ~ 78-80 I reckon?).
Neil did however hit the nail on the head, far more families have both people working so have less time to nip to town during the week, when I've finished work the markets packed up and gone, even if I wanted a nice piece of fresh fish or some veg for tea the only place I can get some is a supermarket unlike abroad where they are thriving well into the evening. As such people have to do a weekly shop and as such want to do it all in one go. It is this convenience that people want hence the rise in Internet shopping. can the market be turned around to become something like Bury? sadly not IMHO, there just isn't the money or desire in the residents to make that happen and you won't attract external visitors till it is already successful One interesting quirk is at work yesterday ( in Knutsford in case you don't know where I work) I was sat having lunch and some lads on the next table were talking and one was berating his home town for being nothing but charity shops, pound shops, phone shops etc... and he didn't have a Lanky accent either so I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about Accy! I don't think we are unique here, its happening all over |
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One place I worked at even provided socks and Y fronts if you wanted, I only remember one lad wearing the Y fronts but a few wore the socks |
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The good thing about being part of Hyndburn is no one knows where it is, if we were in Accrington and District everyone would think us Ossy folk were Accy chavs. |
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it always tickled me how they sold those houses where rist wires used to be as oswaldtwistle so they could bung a few extra grand on the price.When i worked at rist wires it was an accrington address with no mention of oswaldtwistle anywhere lol unless of course the clocking in machine was in accrington and the toilets were in ossy lol |
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Accrington was probably ok when it was built.
Is that on the left as you go up Moscow Mill Street? As you go up there when does it become Spring Hill? |
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I think he is talking of the houses off pickup street. As I grew up there I was told that the boundary is a stream that runs under Spring hill road/moscow mill half way along a block of terrace houses, the street numbers actually change half way down the block so you have some that are Moscow Mill Street and some that are Spring Hill road(My Citizen paper round included SHR but not MMS and the people in the few MMS houses used to winge that I didn't post them a paper as they didn't get one as part of MMS, if I had any spare I'd shove one through for them as I'm nice like that ;) ) . When they built the houses the stream was I believe buried in a pipe to emerge somewhere down near Newark street so technically some of the houses are Accy and some Ossy.
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The Barratt houses on the old Rist Wires' site (Abbeydale Way, etc.) are entirely in Accrington. I remember when they were built I was still doing Local Land Charges at Hyndburn BC. The developer's solicitor sent me a plan of the site and labelled it Oswaldtwistle. I remember writing back and saying the site was in Accrington. I've just called a map up on LCC MARIO and the water course mentioned passes through the adjoining development. That estate is much more problematic. The boundaries of Accrington, Church and Oswaldtwistle all met in the middle of the reservoir that used to be there. However, because the site entrance is off Moscow Mill Street, Oswaldtwistle and the estate is contained within the St. Andrew's Oswaldtwistle electoral ward they have always been treated as Ossy. Some of the houses on Apple Tree Way etc. could potentially be in two townships or even three! Similarly the estate facing the former Queen's Bingo near Church traffic lights was also a reservoir site. The boundary between Accrington and Church went down the middle. However, the properties all have postal address Accrington. They are however in the Church electoral ward, along with all the other properties at the Antley end of Accrington. Make sense of all that!
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by the way as its about buses .... i was cursing them today .... late for an appointment as 1 didnt turn up .. and then another was over 20 mins late ... i know it was bad weather but if the manchester buses could run to time surely the rossendale ones could ....
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Back to the original question I use buses every day to get to work in Blackburn and then home again, I don't drive and couldn't afford to if I wanted to. Parking causes daily rows near my place of work and cars damaged by irate residents who feel hard done to.
I pay £9.00 a week for a rover ticket on Pilkys, £4.50 cheaper than Transdev and staffed by humans!:) |
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I haven't been driving for almost two years due to a medical condition so sometimes make use of my Nowcard and travel on the buses. Buses are OK if where you are trying to get to is on a bus route and if you are travelling between breakfast time and late tea-time Monday to Friday. Sometimes I have to go to meetings at places only a mile or two from home and end up getting a taxi because it's either that or walk! After 30-odd years of driving it also strikes me how much time you waste when travelling by bus. For a journey that takes 20 minutes by car you might have to allow more than an hour, especially if two buses are involved or if you're travelling on a Sunday or in the evening. I always think what else I could be doing in the time I'm wasting hanging around for buses. I think public transport works well in London and other cities but not in smaller places.
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Over last 12 months I have worked hard (very hard for the doubters!) on a full proposal to re regulate buses (bus franchising) and to bring them into the 21st century. GPS, better bus stop info including simplified route maps, smart phone and better real time info. I hope I have done enough to persuade Lancashire's Labour Group ahead of Mays elections. Being a county councillor has been a huge advantage.
Financially there are savings with the BSOG and other expenditure which can be reallocated in lower fares or more of peak or less commercial routes. |
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but lets be honest technology allows for far more efficient and usable service today that it did back then.
how useful would a smart phone app that shows exactly where the bus you want to catch is, that way you can set off to the stop knowing you will only be there a minute or two before it arrives. Or how about a mechanism for registering for a bus journey in advance so the bus companies have a way of calculating what size of bus to use for most efficient operation. I rarely use buses as they are expensive and not very convenient ( 3 quid from Manchester road near Haworth art gallery into town for Julie and Siobhan the other week is disgusting IMHO ) if this made them more convienient and cheaper then it can't be a bad thing. |
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Haha if bus fares go down ( particularly on Transdev routes ), I'll show my backside in Burtons window, thats of course if we still have one in cloud cuckoo land :D |
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Not everyone uses a smart phone. What would be the cost of fitting GPS units to every bus and the provision of a control room to utilise the information gathered from the GPS units and controllers to man the control rooms? Whilst this system works extremely well in London, they need it for the number of buses throughout the London transport system. I just cannot see the financial benefits of going for such a high tech system in Hyndburn. Perhaps better for one company providing the bus system - oh yes we did used to have that sort of system. |
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Bus Services - Information To Your Mobile its on the bus timetables they have in the bus stop .. you send that to a number and its supposed to tell you what time the next bus is from that stop ... and how long it will be ... |
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Obviously, I then dived into the nearest pub and ordered a taxi. And a drink... :D I am also a bit amused at how Lancs folk pronounce bus as 'Buzz'. :) |
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Don't tar us all with the same brush :p |
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Si Signor Derdigo, fortibus es inero demintbus es demis trux fullo ens andux |
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Pompey ad erat Caesar sic in omnibus Pompey in is at or, What is that that roareth thus? Can it be a motor bus? Yes, the smell and hideous hum Indicat motorem bum. Implet in the Corn and High Terror me motoris bi. Bo motori clamitabo Ne motore caedar a bo. Dative be or ablative, So thou only let us live. Whither shall thy victims flee? Spare us, spare us, motor be! Thus I sang, and still anigh Came in hordes motores bi Et complebant omne forum Copia motorum borum. How shall others live like us, Cincti bis motoribus? Domine, defende nos Contra hos motores bos! |
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Thing is that taxi cost me £9. The bus (Buzz :D ) would have cost me about £4. I figured I paid for convenience of being dropped off where I wanted to be and having help with my bag in and out of the taxi lol. I want to use buses more, though. Quote:
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And I'm sure tarring someone with the same brush contravenes health and safety regs. Use a sterilized new brush for each person.:rolleyes: Here's one of those rambling asides allowed us old farts: Nine quid for a cab:eek: That's more than I had in my first pay packet for a week's work.:mad: |
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I Googled it and found 'BUS falls OFF cliff in Bolivia'. That can't be fun. Buss Off Riddim-lots of sites but none mean anything to me. There's a herring buss- cold and wet, no fun there either. Come on, Susie/Eric. Explain, even if you have to go on the over 18 site! |
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Could also be someone's last name as in: Miss Buss and Miss Beale, Cupid's darts do not feel. How different from us, Miss Beale and Miss Buss.:D |
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Ahh! All that fun I used to have and didn't realize I was 'bussing'.
As for coming up for air- as I remember most teenagers would make good pearl divers or sponge divers. |
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