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accyman 24-01-2013 18:44

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so you go to the town hall and sit at the window talking to an advisor for 20 mins while you fill in the forms you require

you are then handed back your documents and told to put them in an orange envolope and take it outside the building and put it in the mail box so it can be collected at the end of day by someone upstairs

why cant the muppet keep hold of the documents and take them upstairs?

i know there are cuts but is leg power that expensive ?

Also if asked for proof of ID the council now expect you to mail in your passport or driving licence or drop it off in the mail box outside the building so they can scan it and send it back to you by mail.

Has the world become so complacant that people are willing to leave documents that are basically your identity in the hands of a muppet with a scanner and the shambles known as royal mail ?

i never let vital documents out of my sight and i cetrainly wouldnt expect to be parted from them for up to a week.God knows what could happen to them and they arnt cheap to replace either

cashman 24-01-2013 18:53

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It would surely be cheaper to take passport in n the muppet scan it there n then?:rolleyes:

accyman 24-01-2013 18:54

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PS:

if you are asked to mail in documents that you feel uneasy about parting with dig your heels in deep and insist they scan them infront of you and hand them back

accyman 24-01-2013 18:55

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1038700)
It would surely be cheaper to take passport in n the muppet scan it there n then?:rolleyes:

exactly what i said cashy but staff cuts apparantly prevent this..

unless of course you dig your heels in and make a fuss ;):D

the only time i have parted with my driving licence was to get 3 points put on it when i was alittle liberal with the accelorator in my ex partners car lol

Neil 24-01-2013 20:10

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1038696)
so you go to the town hall and sit at the window talking to an advisor for 20 mins while you fill in the forms you require

you are then handed back your documents and told to put them in an orange envolope and take it outside the building and put it in the mail box so it can be collected at the end of day by someone upstairs

why cant the muppet keep hold of the documents and take them upstairs?

i know there are cuts but is leg power that expensive?

Just wait until universal credit, there will be no one to sit down and talk to it will probably be on the phone to someone.

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1038701)
PS:
if you are asked to mail in documents that you feel uneasy about parting with dig your heels in deep and insist they scan them infront of you and hand them back

Again there will be no one to scan them when they all go and that building is empty

Alan Varrechia 24-01-2013 21:18

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Welcome to the big society, we are all in it together. :D:D:D:D

lancsdave 24-01-2013 21:20

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The idea of the system is to make it as difficult as possible not to claim anything. Usually they make you feel like something they wipe off the bottom of their shoes. At least thats our experience

accyman 24-01-2013 21:51

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i was only after single person rebate on council tax lol

Alan Varrechia 24-01-2013 22:03

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1038746)
The idea of the system is to make it as difficult as possible not to claim anything. Usually they make you feel like something they wipe off the bottom of their shoes. At least thats our experience

Thats what we're all stood in! :D:D:D

Neil 24-01-2013 22:29

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1038754)
i was only after single person rebate on council tax lol

They will still be collecting that but don't know where the offices will be - can't see it being the current building as it would be all but empty.

accyman 25-01-2013 02:34

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give it 12 months an all our enquiries will be dealt with by a call center in india by someone called bert with a female voice and a very poor grasp of english

so at least we have improvements on the horizon then :-)

lancsdave 25-01-2013 07:43

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1038754)
i was only after single person rebate on council tax lol

Sure you can do that by post, but I suppose if you look dodgy they wanna check you out :D

Mick 25-01-2013 08:06

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Its funny if you need to pay them some money you can do it online but if you need to claim a rebate or want money off them you have to go in person:rolleyes:

jaysay 25-01-2013 08:12

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1038700)
It would surely be cheaper to take passport in n the muppet scan it there n then?:rolleyes:

Cashy were talking council here, they don't do cheap:rolleyes:

jaysay 25-01-2013 08:16

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 1038787)
Its funny if you need to pay them some money you can do it online but if you need to claim a rebate or want money off them you have to go in person:rolleyes:

Think they call that give and take Mick:D or should I say take and give:rolleyes:

Less 25-01-2013 08:56

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1038789)
Think they call that give and take Mick:D or should I say take and give:rolleyes:

It isn't often reported but it does happen, that some people mainly from Nigeria try very hard to steal peoples identity just so they can pay their Council tax for them.
http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Jobs...roger_ship.gif

jaysay 25-01-2013 09:31

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1038797)
It isn't often reported but it does happen, that some people mainly from Nigeria try very hard to steal peoples identity just so they can pay their Council tax for them.
http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Jobs...roger_ship.gif

Ah are you one of the lucky ones Less:)

maxthecollie 25-01-2013 10:45

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1038775)
give it 12 months an all our enquiries will be dealt with by a call center in india by someone called bert with a female voice and a very poor grasp of english

so at least we have improvements on the horizon then :-)

It could be an Indian called Peter.

Eric 25-01-2013 13:30

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1038775)
give it 12 months an all our enquiries will be dealt with by a call center in india by someone called bert with a female voice and a very poor grasp of english

so at least we have improvements on the horizon then :-)

We can get around that in Canada ... because this is a bilingual country, we are always offered the choice of service in English or French. If you opt for French, you get routed to a call centre in Canada, where all the operators can speak both languages fluently. The operators are so used to this little trick that they quickly switch to English if you are struggling with French.:D

accyman 25-01-2013 14:16

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1038827)
We can get around that in Canada ... because this is a bilingual country, we are always offered the choice of service in English or French. If you opt for French, you get routed to a call centre in Canada, where all the operators can speak both languages fluently. The operators are so used to this little trick that they quickly switch to English if you are struggling with French.:D

say you want english then speak to the indian call center in french and see what happens :D

Eric 25-01-2013 14:52

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1038832)
say you want english then speak to the indian call center in french and see what happens :D

Probably get someone who speaks lousy Spanish.;)

Less 25-01-2013 14:57

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1038838)
Probably get someone who speaks lousy Spanish.;)

Keh? (ish).
:confused:

Less 28-01-2013 12:23

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I thought this little episode might fit nicely with Accymans thread.

I had to go to my Doctors this morning, he signed me off sick.

Now as many of you know I've been on Job Seekers, so you'd think transferring from one benefit to another should be reasonably straight forward.

Oh, no, wrong again Less.

I took my sick note down to the joke shop and showed it at reception, Ah, you need to fill in form such and such o.k. says I where can I get that?
Oh no problem I'll fill it in for you now.
Name addy, Insurance number length of time signed off as ill.
Right there you go, all done she said.
Goodness me I replied I expected it to be a little more complicated to transfer benefits that's marvelous. Oh dear me no, that's not a transfer, that's just us stopping your money, you will now have to make a fresh claim for Employment Support Allowance.

Right, so can I do that here?

No you ring this number they will fill it in over the 'phone, send you the form to check and sign, you put the sick note in with the form and once they've processed it you'll be informed about being, entitled, or not. (The last part was said very quietly, I don't think she really wanted me to hear that).

Can I ring from here?

No our 'phones are for Job seekers only, you'll have to go home and ring from there.
:o

Gordon Booth 28-01-2013 12:34

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So in the meantime you don't get any money off anyone?
How did you stop yourself from screaming?

lancsdave 28-01-2013 12:51

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1039462)
How did you stop yourself from screaming?

Easy, he's off sick with Laryngitis :D

Less 28-01-2013 13:04

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1039462)
So in the meantime you don't get any money off anyone?
How did you stop yourself from screaming?

The little I understand is, that whatever I was entitled to up and until filling in their form this morning, I will be paid, how much and when well, ???

As for when a decision will be made about my new claim to get whatever, whenever, I've no idea. It will be delayed, because, well, I'm ill by the time I got home, I made a brew, and collapsed into, there, there, it will all be better in the morning mode.

No point in me screaming, No-one hears you scream when you're filling out forms.
:D

accyman 28-01-2013 16:10

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apparantly the ESA assement folk ATOS have been decalring people who are dead fit for work .

Is your illness more severe than death because if not you may be in for a rough time

jaysay 28-01-2013 17:29

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1039457)
I thought this little episode might fit nicely with Accymans thread.

I had to go to my Doctors this morning, he signed me off sick.

Now as many of you know I've been on Job Seekers, so you'd think transferring from one benefit to another should be reasonably straight forward.

Oh, no, wrong again Less.

I took my sick note down to the joke shop and showed it at reception, Ah, you need to fill in form such and such o.k. says I where can I get that?
Oh no problem I'll fill it in for you now.
Name addy, Insurance number length of time signed off as ill.
Right there you go, all done she said.
Goodness me I replied I expected it to be a little more complicated to transfer benefits that's marvelous. Oh dear me no, that's not a transfer, that's just us stopping your money, you will now have to make a fresh claim for Employment Support Allowance.

Right, so can I do that here?

No you ring this number they will fill it in over the 'phone, send you the form to check and sign, you put the sick note in with the form and once they've processed it you'll be informed about being, entitled, or not. (The last part was said very quietly, I don't think she really wanted me to hear that).

Can I ring from here?

No our 'phones are for Job seekers only, you'll have to go home and ring from there.
:o

Marvelous how wonderfully helpful they were with you Less, what would be so hard to sort your case out in one visit and without all the flaming red tape, mind you, if they started doing that they'd never justify going on marches about job cuts would they, if the public sector was run on the same lines as the private sector they could use half the staff, but shushhhh they don't want you to hear that

Neil 28-01-2013 18:21

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1039528)
Marvelous how wonderfully helpful they were with you Less, what would be so hard to sort your case out in one visit and without all the flaming red tape, mind you, if they started doing that they'd never justify going on marches about job cuts would they, if the public sector was run on the same lines as the private sector they could use half the staff, but shushhhh they don't want you to hear that

One minute you want the government to create jobs for people, next minute your saying the government have too many people doing those jobs.

You can't have it both ways.

cashman 28-01-2013 18:23

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1039545)
One minute you want the government to create jobs for people, next minute your saying the government have too many people doing those jobs.

You can't have it both ways.

Don't talk silly, he's a Tory.:D

jaysay 28-01-2013 18:44

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1039545)
One minute you want the government to create jobs for people, next minute your saying the government have too many people doing those jobs.

You can't have it both ways.

There are two sorts of jobs, there are true jobs and jobs just to placate unions and politicians, if the private sector, and always remember the private sector are the wealth creators, because without them nobody works, ran their business like the public sector they'd go bankrupt in six months, the public sector is and always has been top heavy with clerical staff, even now in the age of the computer, which on the face of it should help to speed administration up. if you had a private building firm that had 50 trades men and labourers on their books along with 50 office staff how long would they be in business, not very long, but the public sector wonder on blindly financed by the tax payer, and nobody says a dickybird, they just keep throwing money at it year after year, and not only that when they do retire they'll get a pension far better than ordinary joe in the street

Less 01-03-2013 10:46

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1039462)
So in the meantime you don't get any money off anyone?
How did you stop yourself from screaming?

Just for you Gordon a link to my blog about this:-
Once Upon A Time In The Land Of We're All In It Together - Accrington Web

:D

Tesco Rambler 01-03-2013 11:05

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1038696)
so you go to the town hall and sit at the window talking to an advisor for 20 mins while you fill in the forms you require

you are then handed back your documents and told to put them in an orange envolope and take it outside the building and put it in the mail box so it can be collected at the end of day by someone upstairs

why cant the muppet keep hold of the documents and take them upstairs?

i know there are cuts but is leg power that expensive ?

Also if asked for proof of ID the council now expect you to mail in your passport or driving licence or drop it off in the mail box outside the building so they can scan it and send it back to you by mail.

Has the world become so complacant that people are willing to leave documents that are basically your identity in the hands of a muppet with a scanner and the shambles known as royal mail ?

i never let vital documents out of my sight and i cetrainly wouldnt expect to be parted from them for up to a week.God knows what could happen to them and they arnt cheap to replace either

Totally agree with you. This kind of thing seems designed to drive a bloke mad. I really hate it when they ring you up stating your name and you respond normally as you do on the phone, one human being to another, when they suddenly have the cheek to ask you three questions to prove you are the person they rang in the first place.
My identity is so undesirable that I wish someone would nick it, debts 'n all.

Neil 01-03-2013 14:05

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Originally Posted by Tesco Rambler (Post 1044471)
Totally agree with you. This kind of thing seems designed to drive a bloke mad. I really hate it when they ring you up stating your name and you respond normally as you do on the phone, one human being to another, when they suddenly have the cheek to ask you three questions to prove you are the person they rang in the first place.
My identity is so undesirable that I wish someone would nick it, debts 'n all.


I tell them that I should be asking the questions to prove who they are. I then tell them to write to me.

Gordon Booth 01-03-2013 14:07

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1044469)
Just for you Gordon a link to my blog about this:-
Once Upon A Time In The Land Of We're All In It Together - Accrington Web

:D

It's a bit like Shakespeare, thinking he'd mastered the art of comedy in Hamlet, decided to write a script for a 'Carry On' film.
You couldn't make it up. Unfortunately in your case, Less, you don't have to.
Still, the bright side is you're keeping a lot of incompetent people in work making life hard for people like yourself.
If you can see through your tears to type and they don't cut off your power, broadband and air supply please let us know what happens.

MargaretR 01-03-2013 15:16

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DWP shed 11,000 jobs in one year.
DWP: 11,000 jobs shed in last year » Housing » 24dash.com

Civil service cuts = poor service, this was expected so 'they' devised a scheme whereby you could try to jump through more hoops to get 'redress' for maladministration.
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/financial...nistration.pdf

I have browsed this forum searching for posts mentioning 'civil servants'.
Some members were pleased that there were to be such cuts - are you pleased now?:rolleyes:

accyman 01-03-2013 16:14

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meanwhile cameron is defending obscene bonuses for bankers saying that if they are capped it will take all teh top tallent away from europe

well im sorry but if this shower of crap we have now in the banking buisness is what cameron thinks is top tallent then id say we were better off without them and go let them ruin another countries economy

accyman 01-03-2013 16:17

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went down to the town hall today and i reakon the next step will be to shut the area once used by people to pay council tax and discuss problems and just leave the letterbox in operation to avoid heating costs to the room once used.

not to worry though because as the recorded message saya when waiting to speak to someone you can always hop online and aske them questions which isnt much use to people who dont have internet


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