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cmonstanley 16-03-2013 16:12

is this theft ?
 
is this theft? BBC News - Shock in Cyprus as savers face bailout levy this just shows the audacity of goverments and banks.i think this is pure theft .so now its not worth saving anything or getting a pension because the goverments and banks will just steal it off you.i can see europe in flames in the summer.

Less 16-03-2013 16:41

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No where near theft compared with the amount of server space you steal off AccyWeb with your strange posts.

Eric 16-03-2013 16:47

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1047253)
is this theft? BBC News - Shock in Cyprus as savers face bailout levy this just shows the audacity of goverments and banks.i think this is pure theft .so now its not worth saving anything or getting a pension because the goverments and banks will just steal it off you.i can see europe in flames in the summer.

The levy doesn't officially take place until tuesday, but the scumbag bankers and politicians are limiting electronic transfers. What slimeballs; slicker than snot on a doorknob.

cmonstanley 16-03-2013 18:31

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1047260)
No where near theft compared with the amount of server space you steal off AccyWeb with your strange posts.

why is it strange,could this be a blueprint to do the same in this country.so its alright to follow all the rules save up for a rainy day and then these scummy slimeballs steal your money. to keep quiet would be strange.are you a secret banker:confused:;)

Neil 16-03-2013 21:42

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1047253)
is this theft? BBC News - Shock in Cyprus as savers face bailout levy this just shows the audacity of goverments and banks.i think this is pure theft .so now its not worth saving anything or getting a pension because the goverments and banks will just steal it off you.i can see europe in flames in the summer.


It looks like theft to me

MargaretR 16-03-2013 22:25

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The bank rate has been at 0.5% for a while now.

The Bank of England is considering reducing it to below zero.

Paul Tucker: Bank chief raises the prospect of a base rate BELOW zero in bid to kickstart spending | Mail Online

....the banks would then need to charge savers for 'looking after':rolleyes: their money.
....which sounds like a variation on the savings tax inflicted on Cypriots.

Neil 17-03-2013 07:13

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1047341)
The bank rate has been at 0.5% for a while now.

The Bank of England is considering reducing it to below zero.

Paul Tucker: Bank chief raises the prospect of a base rate BELOW zero in bid to kickstart spending | Mail Online

....the banks would then need to charge savers for 'looking after':rolleyes: their money.
....which sounds like a variation on the savings tax inflicted on Cypriots.


I don't think it does, they would just be charging you for the service they provide.

jaysay 17-03-2013 08:08

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1047285)
why is it strange,could this be a blueprint to do the same in this country.so its alright to follow all the rules save up for a rainy day and then these scummy slimeballs steal your money. to keep quiet would be strange.are you a secret banker:confused:;)

Don't think Less is a banker but you're certainly an ham shanker:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 17-03-2013 09:40

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According to what I have read, if the BOE do go into a negative interest rate...savers will not be charged, but the users of other services might be.

I don't get it.......I give the bank my money to hold for me.......they lend it out at an interest rate well above what they give me for saving with them..........but yet they want to charge for a current account.....but give me lots of 'perks' that I will never use and do not require....how does that work out?

cashman 17-03-2013 10:00

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Yer being ripped off Margaret,thats how it works,always has.

jaysay 17-03-2013 10:06

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1047390)
Yer being ripped off Margaret,thats how it works,always has.

Theres no way I'd ever save in a Bank cashy, mind you I haven't got any these days but if I had it certainly wouldn't be entrusted to any bank

Margaret Pilkington 17-03-2013 10:31

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1047390)
Yer being ripped off Margaret,thats how it works,always has.

Well, no Cashy I'm not ,because I won't sign up for one of these 'modern' current accounts........but each time I go into the bank they tell me that my account is an 'old fashioned' one....I tell them 'it's like me then!'

cashman 17-03-2013 10:48

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Well, no Cashy I'm not ,because I won't sign up for one of these 'modern' current accounts........but each time I go into the bank they tell me that my account is an 'old fashioned' one....I tell them 'it's like me then!'

Splendid, thats exactly same as me, but never having been one to waffle much,i just say a loud NO.:D

cmonstanley 17-03-2013 11:17

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1047356)
Don't think Less is a banker but you're certainly an ham shanker:rolleyes:

:D:D:D:D lol anyway youve gone up in my estimation for your stanley programme thread,,:mosher:

Margaret Pilkington 17-03-2013 12:23

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Splendid, thats exactly same as me, but never having been one to waffle much,i just say a loud NO.:D

Thing is Cashy...we are of the same era:)

GEaston 17-03-2013 13:59

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Problem the banks have in the UK is that they have to charge 10% on credit cards just to cover defaulters (who for he most part just run). Obviously they charge 20-30% to ensure they can pay bonuses.

Here in Singapore I can get a car loan for 1.88% because Noone defaults. Defaulting is considered culturally shameful........long time since that was the case in he UK.

I expect Cyprus banks will collapse on Tuesday as the public rush to withdraw. What most people don't realise is that banks create 10x more money than there actually is so when this type of run happens they simply don't have it. If more than 5% of people turn up to withdraw then the system collapses. Pretty sure that'll happen here.

Margaret Pilkington 17-03-2013 15:11

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It appears that the Government in Cyprus is re-thinking this issue...and the vote has been postponed.
People had had their accounts frozen so that they could not withdraw all of their money.
George Osborne (fine fellow that he is?) has said that if british troops in Cyprus are affected by this edict from the EU(because it is the EU who has directed this to happen) he will compensate them for their losses.

I think this situation, forced on Cyprus by the EU, will have serious repercussions for the Eurozone.
We may see greeks, spaniards and the portugese take their money out of the banks and hide it in their mattreses...this will really de-stablise an already shonky currency.

Margaret Pilkington 17-03-2013 15:13

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Cyprus Postpones Vote On Savings Raid Bailout - Yahoo! News UK

There you go...if you want to read all about it.

accyman 17-03-2013 15:32

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our government dosnt need to raid bank accounts if our government wants more money they just whack a load more tax on things that people need like fuel and food

jaysay 17-03-2013 17:16

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1047406)
Splendid, thats exactly same as me, but never having been one to waffle much,i just say a loud NO.:D

Or words to that effect:D

GEaston 17-03-2013 22:49

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Most of the money in Cyprus banks is Russian anyway which is why the Germans insisted on the 10% levy, as a condition of the bailout.

cashman 17-03-2013 22:55

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Originally Posted by GEaston (Post 1047512)
Most of the money in Cyprus banks is Russian anyway which is why the Germans insisted on the 10% levy, as a condition of the bailout.

Shouldn't think that'll matter a jot to all the British Ex-Pats that may well lose.

GEaston 18-03-2013 02:08

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1047513)
Shouldn't think that'll matter a jot to all the British Ex-Pats that may well lose.


True enough, but why should German taxpayers foot the bill?

At the end of the day most govts are spectacularly bust, and it's a ponzi scheme in all but name. Take a look at this U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time and tell me it's ok....... One of the reasons I buy buildings is they won't disappear overnight and people in UK are always going to need a roof. Cyprus vanishing trick is just the tip of a very very large iceburg.

Capitalism is toast, a bust, and Govts don't have the first idea how to change (or what system to change to) so they kick the can down the road for the next govt to deal with.

jaysay 18-03-2013 07:49

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Shouldn't think that'll matter a jot to all the British Ex-Pats that may well lose.

Ya a mate of mine lives out yon cashy doubt that he'll be a happy bunny:(

davebtelford 18-03-2013 08:47

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I think it is theft - being dressed up as a tax. It will send shivers down the spines of anyone who has savings at banks in other Eurozone countries especially Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal & Ireland (might as well say ALL of 'em!).

I expect the move will backfire as many savers will remove their money and never trust the banks again.

Again people who have been prudent and saved their money get clobbered while the feckless go scot free!

jaysay 18-03-2013 08:54

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 1047528)
I think it is theft - being dressed up as a tax. It will send shivers down the spines of anyone who has savings at banks in other Eurozone countries especially Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal & Ireland (might as well say ALL of 'em!).

I expect the move will backfire as many savers will remove their money and never trust the banks again.

Again people who have been prudent and saved their money get clobbered while the feckless go scot free!

There's nothing new there Dave, My parents always saved for their old age and as a consequence were unable to claim any benefits what-so-ever, yet a bloke down the next street was in the pub every night peeing it against the wall and could claim everything, it made my parents think why the hell did we bother:(

Boeing Guy 18-03-2013 09:24

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Part of this problem is this wonderful single currency we call the Euro, if Greece and other states had not 'fudged the figures' in order to join then things may be different, but then again.... if there were not so many Greeks avoiding tax there may have been more in the coffers.
the German taxpayer should not have to bail them out, but of course if there is no bail out then Cyprus will leave the Euro followed by Greece and others, effectively destroying it, something which the Germans and the French want to avoid.

I must go and lie down now, as I am starting to talk like our resident conspiracy theorists.:D

Margaret Pilkington 18-03-2013 09:46

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This raid on savings could have disastrous consequences...with people all over the Eurozone taking money out of the banks, the system will collapse
I am bound to ask if the single currency is worth all the effort...and my answer would have to be NO.
If the countries which require a bailout were allowed to leave the single currency and revert back to their own monetary systems, they could devalue their currency, this would make holidays cheaper/more competitive/attractive, and would bring in tourists......work for those who have no jobs...the countries would be in charge of their own destinies and could even promote fiscal growth.....and the resentment that is felt by the people of the PIGS and Cyprus would fizzle out.

There is a lot of resentment in these countries, at having edicts foisted on them from the EU...especially while the EU mandarins are seen squander money like it is going out of fashion.

GEaston 18-03-2013 10:29

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There is not a single example in the history of our planet of a successful monetary union without political union. Every successful currency union required both. Great design then to create a currency without political union and no thought whatsoever to what if (you could say when) it doesn't work.

GEaston 18-03-2013 10:39

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Some real problems with reversion to old currency. Take Greece - they only had one printing press for Drachma and that has been in a museum since Euro creation.

Practically you can't go back to the old currency without printing it, lots of it. You also can't print that quantity of old currency in secret. Soon as people find out the old currency is being printed then you have a same day banking run/collapse. The lead up to the Euro was 10 years in the planning with no plan at all for reversion because it was a one way street. Doubtless the EU is thinking about it now, but for the above reasons there's no easy way to do it. Devaluation would be 10x not 10% so if it happens there will be blood on the streets.

Boeing Guy 18-03-2013 10:54

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Agreed, however Greece is in a terrible way, with nothing to look forward to.

In crisis-ravaged Greece, ?laughter clubs? are booming

It is in Greece's interests to exit the Euro, you don't print new money, just shut the banks for 3 days, stamp all the euros your going to put in the cash machines. bankrupt the country, just as Iceland did (and is doing much better now....) , ignore your debts, start again.
it will be messy though and when, I am sure it will come, we will have a Europe wide mess on our hands, as it will signify the end of the Euro

MargaretR 18-03-2013 11:11

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Some very humourous comments in this latest version of the Hitler rant :D

Hitler Bails Out Cyprus - YouTube

MargaretR 18-03-2013 11:37

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When you prod a bear with a pointy stick, don't expect him to roll over and wait for his belly to be tickled.

Putin criticizes Cyprus' new "dangerous" savings tax | Russian Legal Information Agency (RAPSI).

Russia Sending Permanent Warship Fleet To Mediterranean: Is A Russian Naval Base In Cyprus Coming Next? | Zero Hedge

jaysay 18-03-2013 17:20

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1047540)
This raid on savings could have disastrous consequences...with people all over the Eurozone taking money out of the banks, the system will collapse
I am bound to ask if the single currency is worth all the effort...and my answer would have to be NO.
If the countries which require a bailout were allowed to leave the single currency and revert back to their own monetary systems, they could devalue their currency, this would make holidays cheaper/more competitive/attractive, and would bring in tourists......work for those who have no jobs...the countries would be in charge of their own destinies and could even promote fiscal growth.....and the resentment that is felt by the people of the PIGS and Cyprus would fizzle out.

There is a lot of resentment in these countries, at having edicts foisted on them from the EU...especially while the EU mandarins are seen squander money like it is going out of fashion.

Makes you think how lucky we were keeping the £, the only think we have to do now is convince our politician in Westminster (when he's there) that the people who elected him would like to stick two fingers up to the European union and get back to reality, I won't be holding my breath

Barrie Yates 18-03-2013 17:28

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1047574)
Makes you think how lucky we were keeping the £, the only think we have to do now is convince our politician in Westminster (when he's there) that the people who elected him would like to stick two fingers up to the European union and get back to reality, I won't be holding my breath

Now, now Jay - Sir Ken says GJ spends every waking hour working in Parliament or his constituency - Perhaps Sir Ken will care to comment on this and tell us what the justification is:confused::confused:

cashman 18-03-2013 17:31

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1047577)
Now, now Jay - Sir Ken says GJ spends every waking hour working in Parliament or his constituency - Perhaps Sir Ken will care to comment on this and tell us what the justification is:confused::confused:

I would think, yeh got more chance of being struck by lightening.:D

jaysay 18-03-2013 17:41

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I would think, yeh got more chance of being struck by lightening.:D

He only comments when he thinks he has a chance of scoring a few points, hasn't commented on my Granddaughters problems with her council tax payments:rolleyes:

accyman 18-03-2013 18:18

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Makes you think how lucky we were keeping the £,


the problem is our government past and present insists on sending them £'s to bail out these euro lot

Boeing Guy 19-03-2013 20:40

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Well who would have thought it.....
BBC News - Cyprus MPs reject EU-IMF bailout tax on bank depositors

Cyprus rejected the bailout, now lets see who's got the biggest ........

My feelings, well I will let this quote say it all for me:
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If you’ve been waiting your entire life to witness the pure, un-adulturated, distilled essence of FUBAR, your dreams have been answered: for behold Cyprus!

For in one fell swoop, the with their monster mash of a bailout-bail-in of Cyprus, the Eurotards have succeeded in: gutting the rule of law and due process; riding roughshod over democratic institutions; increasing the risk of a catastrophic bank run in the event any Eurozone country (e.g., Spain) is believed to need to seek assistance; and sparking a huge diplomatic row with Russia. *Well played! Well played, indeed!

Margaret Pilkington 19-03-2013 20:54

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Says it very well...very well indeed.
I wonder if Brussels will get the message?

Eric 19-03-2013 21:18

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1047574)
Makes you think how lucky we were keeping the £, the only think we have to do now is convince our politician in Westminster (when he's there) that the people who elected him would like to stick two fingers up to the European union and get back to reality, I won't be holding my breath

Wasn't Gordon Brown Chancellor when the land of Uk decided not to adopt the € ... you remember, don't you, it was during the 13 years of etc. etc. etc.?;) Of course, it was just bs luck:D

Margaret Pilkington 20-03-2013 07:00

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Yes, Eric, you are right......and I think that was, perhaps, his only laudable action.

jaysay 20-03-2013 08:28

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1047882)
Wasn't Gordon Brown Chancellor when the land of Uk decided not to adopt the € ... you remember, don't you, it was during the 13 years of etc. etc. etc.?;) Of course, it was just bs luck:D

He daren't have done anything else, or the BP would have had his guts for garters long before they did;)

jaysay 20-03-2013 08:29

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1047874)
Says it very well...very well indeed.
I wonder if Brussels will get the message?

Since when has Brussels listened to anybody Margaret

MargaretR 21-03-2013 09:25

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A bank robbery on the same lines as the Cyprus plan is being arranged in New Zealand.

National planning Cyprus-style solution - Greens | Voxy.co.nz


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