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Just been watching Granada reports about a pilot scheme that's being run at the moment called Clare's law. Clare Wood was murdered by her violent partner, she had no idea of his violent past. One area piloting the scheme is Greater Manchester. The scheme allows people access to information to a persons past and then, obviously a choice. What a brilliant scheme, may save many lives. I have a daughter and I'm Damned sure I'd want to know about who she was with.

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Not sure what I think about this. Can you image what would happen if everyone in a relationship wanted a check on their partner. The Police would either grind to a halt trying to process all the applications or the system would fall over and fail. It sounds good at first but could be impossible in practice.

The scheme can also disclose previous allegations of abuse, even if they were not proven and did not lead to a conviction.

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Personally, I wish this scheme had been in place a couple of years ago.
Doesn`t really need a police officer to look up previous convictions and would free up the officers who would normally be dealling with the domestic violence that this scheme would hopefully prevent.

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Still not convinced, sounds like a good idea but we will have to wait and see.

Does the other person have to agree to you checking on them?
If not how do you prove you are in a relationship with them and not just someone digging for dirt on someone else.
The disclosing unproven allegations is worrying as well, innocent until proven guilty out of the window

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I hope not, cos only those with nothing to hide would.

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I agree there are problems. How can someone's criminal record be accessed? And if there are mental issues involved, medical records? I doubt if anything resembling full disclosure can be achieved.

On the other hand, police over here regularly inform a community if a convicted sex-offender is released into that community. Pictures and all. Not really the same deal, but similar.

I'm sure a system which is less than perfect, but still quite adequate can be devised.

But something has to be done. Too many women are dying. And kids.:mad:

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You don't know how lucky you are with a system like that Eric. Over here offenders are just released into the community with no notice given be them sex offenders, murderers etc. Seems the public over here don't warrant any protection, that is afforded to the offenders:mad:

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Just wonder how this would work with the Human Rights Brigade we have here, all these ideas sound great on paper, but like has already been said, how doe the authorities know whether its a genuine case or somebody just digging the dirt, or attempting to do so

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Only People who have something to hide will be against it, Its a good idea, but will it ever come into force?

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You can say that about compulsory DNA testing or Fingerprinting too, but it wouldn't go very far, maybe in North Korea but good old GB no chance:rolleyes:

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Its not really if it comes into force, its more it won't be implemented properly, Thats a knocking bet.;)

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I'm not entirely sure about that. I have nothing to hide, but would not be in favour if being fingerprinted, having my DNA taken or carrying an identity card......I do not trust those who could manipulate these thing against us.

I would ask 'Who guards the guards?'
Our police force have proved that they can be manipulated and are not above suspicion, and would cite the Hillsborough debacle as evidence.

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I think in theory it's a good thing, but the actual actioning would be riddled with complications.

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Surely there must be a way to implement this law. Anything is better than nothing if it prevents injury /death to another innocent person. These bullies need wheedling out, and if exposing them (If they have been convicted) is the way then tough. They don't allow their victims the courtesy of human rights. Personally, I'd like to think I'd deal with it with a midnight dance with a baseball bat, but that's just me.!

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I don't think it's even necessarily about corruption either. Heaven knows the cock-ups that have happened with huge software launches by various govt depts in the past have been such debacles that a whole population database would have to be very carefully set up. I suspect that our friends from Salt Lake City may have the experience to do it but very high risk.

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As other posters have noted, it looks fine on paper, but it is the detail(and the devil is in the detail) of how this would be managed that would be the stumbling block.

I'm not sure that the men who perpetrate violence agaainst women are bullies(bullies often retreat when you face them down) the men who are violent towards women are just plain thugs.

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If we ever get a government with a backbone, that is prepared to put its people & their welfare first, not afraid to defy the puppet masters of Brussels & tell them, "No, I don't think so, so shove it till your eyes pop & water! Our people come first & just what exactly are you going to do about it?" Sadly until that day dawns (and I don't see it happening any time soon) we're condemned to further furrow the rut that Brussels & our gutless political classes have forced us into. :mad:

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You are right. Often police forces do not share information about the people who commit crimes...or who have been investigated....if they did then the chap who murdered the two little girls in Soham would have been caught much sooner.

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Memo to self- if you ever go courting a lass from the westend remember to check if she's on the Clare's Law list.

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That's like a lot of things Dave looks great on paper, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty there are so many snags they just don't fly

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Really! That's crazy. Some dangerous sex offenders serve their time and are then released. If they are considered likely to re-offend, then the public has a right to be informed if they are in a particular community. The Supreme Court of Canadan has consistently ruled that the rights of the public to live in safety outweigh the rights of a particular individual. And I don't have a problem with that.

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You might not have a problem wi it, I aint either, but then we aint useless do-gooders.:rolleyes:

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im uncertain of something

is this a list of sex offenders only or domestic violence as well and if so will it include women convicted of domestic violence ?

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that is very worrying indeed because the police arnt exactly the brightest bunch in the world theres been many instances where a woman has been the agressor yetthe police tend to arrest the man.They are usually let go without charge when things get cleared up and the truth known but on record that man was arrested for domestic violence and could end up on a list if no actual conviction of a crime is required.

also a very bitter ex could easily fabricate a tale and get her ex put on the list

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There are obviously things that need ironing out, but it is still something that needs implementing.

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Easiest way to iron things out,is just squash em under a rock,Job sorted.

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thing is with these lists is you have to be carefull who gets put on them

i could live quite happily with a pedophile getting lynched by an angry mob but wouldnt be happy about some poor sod who ended up on the list because some dogooder reported someone for smaking their childs legs for been naughty getting lynched because they are on a child offenders list.

if tehy are going to have a list it should also include the crime

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I doubt it would just be a list of names and then guess what they did. Surely it would be accused of .... or convicted of....

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like neil has pointed out accused dosnt mean guilty

whenever this topic comes up such as megans law as i think its called in america i support it but it would just be typical of the UK to totally screw it up because some EU law or ruling says we have to be careful to protect the more nasty people and those who are merely accused get no prtection at all

sorry but i just have no faith in polititions or the legal system to get this right

it would be good if they did get it right i simply have no faith in the system

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Thats the big problem in this country, Theres no better way to put it. Been too many examples of Blatant, even deliberate sometimes cock ups,:eek::(

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Neither have any right minded people Eric, mind you I doubt that Canada is hog tied with so many human rights fanatics as we are here:mad:

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Quite right Cashy, how many times do we see people committing crimes, even murder, while out on bail:(

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It's not that we are unconcerned about human rights, and there are screw ups ... ususally from parole boards releasing dangerous people. And we have numerous activist groups. It's just that folks over here, though we like our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, seem to be ok with dealing with things on a case to case basis. Our Supreme Court ... and it's a body that really works ... often makes rulings which leave some discretion to the lower courts. For example, a woman is allowed to testify while wearing a bag over her head as long as the trial judge rules that it will not prejudice the trial. We have freedom of speech, but there is a point at which it becomes a hate crime. Dangerous people released into the community after completing their sentences can be identified to the community by local police departments ... but on a case to case basis. Let's face it, one would need an infinity of thumbs to plug all the holes in the dike (alternate spelling to avoid confusion;)) ... so, there has to be room for a little common sense. So ... with a little common sense, a Clare's Law is quite feasible.

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I'd also like to know if it's possible to find out about known offenders ie the so called Ossy Rapist. From what I remember he got 20years about 20years ago. He struck fear in to our local community. Will the local community be told when he is due for release and would there be restrictions on him coming back in to this area. ?

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The odds are if he got 20 yrs about 20 yrs ago, Hes long been out of nick. WRONG but very likely.

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I think, from what I heard at the time, he'd been inside for some serious sex attack before. Would that mean he would have had to serve the full sentence.?

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Ya Eric but the only thing that will be missing here is common sense.

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The only time that happens is when the judge makes a mandatory sentence, in other words he sets the tariff when passing judgment

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Exactly, unless that happened hes been long out imho.:eek:

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That's exactly what I have against our judicial system Cashy, what's the point of giving a 20 year sentence if they aren't going to serve anywhere near that, 20 years they'll be lucky if they do 10, if these cretins knew exactly what they would get, life meaning life, 30 years you do 30 years, their minds might be a little more focused before they commit these crimes.

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Exactly right Jaysay, the sentences should be exactly what they say. Personally, I think people like the 'Ossy Rapist ' should get a one way ticket to the abatoir.

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I prefer a nice comfy seat for him myself, with wires to the mains and a nice little switch when he's not expecting it, warm him up a bit:rolleyes:

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Seriously, it's scary to think that creatures like that could still be walking the streets. I don't think animals like that will ever be 'cured' and should be taken out of society for everybody's sake. They will always be a threat no matter what the bleeding hearts say.!

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As far as I can gather, sex offenders who are released into the community are placed on the sex offenders list & are required to register with the Police, housing agency & their controller, they are expected to follow a set procedure covering exclusion from certain people & places etc.

The general public aren't made aware (for fear of reprisals to the offender) as shown by the "Jamie Bulger case". But I think immediate family can be informed by the Police but the information is not allowed to be passed on, doing so makes the "informer" liable to prosecution. (so I am led to believe)

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If I remember correctly there was a thread on here a few years ago he was coming up for parole, also if memory is correct even his sister was against him getting it.

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Think you've got that right Dave, we have to make sure that these scumbags can be safely tucked up in bed at night not led awake wondering if somebody will be round to chastise them. Couldn't have them chewing their fingernails to the quick wondering if they'll be safe every time they go out or put the light out at night, which is something their victims will probably do for the rest of their lives. That's because these scumbags have rights, think its called human rights, something which I have always argued is a load of bollards, on the basis that these people aren't human:mad:

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I've tried to Google the case but can't find anything at all. Other things come up but not this.

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If I'm correct this is the one I referred to:-
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rer-62181.html

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The so called 'Ossy Rapist ' I'm referring to is called James Campbell. It was all over the local news in (I think ) 1994. The first attack happened on Blackburn rd. Westend. There were other attacks around the area until he was caught. It actually appeared on the local tv news at the time.

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Sorry, I was thinking of something earlier then, bad things happen all through life, some we experience, some we witness and some we try to remember from vague descriptions from other people.

One certain thing is, some swine will be sick enough to do similar again, unfortunately.
:(

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i think this was the one that resulted in people taking to the streets trying to catch him because the police wernt showing any signs of catching him and the victims kept going up in numbers

unfortunatley one bloke that i can recall got mistaken for teh rapist and got beaten up by a group out looking for the rapist

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This is the big problem with vigilantes even if we often feel its the only way because the police are often a waste of time

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Now come on Neil they're very good at stopping motorist for speeding:rolleyes: