should the unemployed be allowed to vote?
 

as another loony is outed defected from the tories to ukip. He is saying the unemployed shouldnt be allowed to vote. Ex-chair of young Tories: ?Should the unemployed be allowed to vote?? | Political Scrapbook

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I noticed the loonys voted.:D

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Perhaps you have finally struck gold?

Not with your question, just by the fact the Conservatives could be bricking it over the thought of UKIP and a protest vote?

So to sabotage any chances they (UKIP) may have the Cons are trawling their own ranks for useless M.P.'s and coming to an agreement with them?

'Look you're useless as an M.P. in fact you have some of the most stupid ideas we've ever heard from anyone that could be declared sane.

Your future with our party will if you are lucky be a big fat zero,but if you defect to UKIP and continue with your stupid policies making them a laughing stock it will be a win, win situation.

We get rid of you and you get a Knighthood and enough Directorships to keep you in pig fodder for the rest of your life, shall we take it that the way you are banging your head against the wall, it's a yes then?

Well done.'
;)

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Let's face it, this isn't a genuine poll and should be treated with the contempt it deserves...it's just a crude, ham-fisted piece of propaganda because like all those who support the two major parties, you're terrified of a big UKIP protest vote eating into your own support!

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by the time election time comes round cameron will be praying the inemployed and sick arnt allowed to vote

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inemployed ?

jaysay sabotaged my post :D

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Jaysays only just seen this thread:tongueout

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How do you know?

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the thread starters a bit of a plank aint he

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Nah shaz, hes a full blown tree.:D

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i obviously toned my words down a little there Cashy, couldnt say what i really wanted to, this being a family forum n'all ;)

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Thats why i'm diplomatic.:D Mind i aint bad at insulting without swearing.

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An insult from you is just an inverted compliment.

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The Tories are digging like mad to turn up any scrap of dirt they can on UKIP before the council elections. After this UKIP will probably be the cleanest party ever in UK politics!

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The Tories are having too, its called Blind Panic.:D

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thing is dirt has been dug up on UKIP before of which i cant recall exactly but people dont tend to care

they get branded racists by the other 3 main partys and still no one particualry cares enough for it to phase them

now if dirt was to be dug up on the torys or labour it could be a job you wished you hadnt started as you may never get to the end of it

Actually there may be some serious dirt because a tory recently defected to UKIP

what a great plan put a dirty tory into UKIP then you have your dirt ready to dig up lol

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Let's be honest, both tory and labour will try their best to discredit UKIP, they want to keep things the way they are, one of them in power, the other saying they are wrong, and both of them using the liberals as stupid lapdogs whenever they have the chance.
At least the thinking people from both parties are threatening against their loyalties to put forward a protest vote rather than have both parties just carry on fighting against rather than for our Countries good.

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Just a quick thought, allowed to vote isn't in it.
Did you know the unemployed can't use their passports?

I had an interview to go to, it was a good job, doing my trade, I took the letter to the job centre hoping for expenses.
No sorry they said can't help you, you're interview is abroad.
Yes said I, but it's in the European market, I thought I'd be helped.
No, we'll help within the UK bit not abroad.
OK I replied, if you won't help, I'll find the money somewhere and go anyway.

Well if you do you'll have to sign off jobseekers, you won't be classed as available for work.
I asked various other questions and found that I wasn't allowed abroad for any reason, holidays, (I wish), or anything, without first signing off.
It had seemed a good job, I wonder who got it?

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Oh dear, oh dear, calling UKIP "loonies", "clowns", "fruitcakes", "closet racists" and all the rest certainly backfired, didn't it? :D

And STILL Con/Dem/Lab politicos appear on the telly and patronise us with the same old platitudes.

Carry on, plonkers and we'll carry on punishing you at the polls! ;)

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Allow me a moment of racism if you will, 'cos I can't remember the guys name, but I had the choice of UKIP yesterday and why would white folk give their child a foreign sounding name if they are 'closet racists'?

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Best ask the representatives of the major parties that question, Less. After all, it's their parties that have made consistent attempts to denigrate UKIP.

Oh hang on a minute, they don't come on here anymore, do they?

Perhaps C'mon might be persuaded to share his thoughts with us. ;)

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Yeh the UKIP guy i voted fer was certainly a closet racist, being Asian.:rolleyes::D

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That's always been the case Less, if your out of the country you can't claim dole, but it does seem a nonsense when you were in Europe looking for work, its another case of Jobsworth:(

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Probably born and bred here Cashy:D he's now a little englander:rolleyes:

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you know immigration has gone too far when asians are sying "bloody foriegners " :D

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the ukip wasnt the biggest winner last night it was the independents ukip is behind them;):D no seriously labour tory or ukip werent the winners it was the no party self made councillor who stood as an independent.but thats not big news.lets not get in the way of the truth.

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Yeh know i thought yeh were just blinkered @ biased, but i was wrong.:rolleyes::D:D:D

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The usual semi-literate gobbledegook from you I see. The big news was that UKIP enjoyed a huge upsurge in support. I could put numerous links on from today's news to illustrate that fact but I'm sure most people have seen it for themselves. Your lot and the Tories had better waken up and smell the coffee! ;)

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but there is more independents than ukip. There is 44 more ,but the lib dems losing their deposit again.will there be a vote of no confidence for nick clegg ?:cool:by the lib dems thus splitting the coalition.

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Reckon both of em are too dense to wake up n smell the coffee, cmon certainly is a good example.:rolleyes:

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Which you wouldn't know if it jumped up and bit you on the bum:rolleyes:

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Oh come on Cashy if all Labour supporters were as thick as him they'd have imploded years ago.:D

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"Independents" aren't a political party, they're an assortment of...well, independents, standing on a variety of causes or none. The fact is, UKIP enjoyed the biggest upsurge in support of a fourth political party since the second world war, averaging 25% of the votes in wards where they stood.

Whatever your view of UKIP, that represents quite a sea change in British politics. But, never mind, you carry on in your own little world, C'mon. ;)

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i look at this thread title and cant help but think the real question is should the unemployed and sick be allowed to eat because this con-lib lot are doing their upmost to ensure they cant

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The politicians regard the sick and unemployed as 'useless eaters' and are using austerity measures to reduce population.

Contraception, legal abortion and euthanasia serve only to prevent population growth, and are regarded as acceptable by many.

When it comes to population reduction they have to do it deviously.

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You do talk utter bollocks sometimes Accyman

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really

tell that to the thousands of people effected by the bedroom tax that eats away what little they have left to feed themselves or the disabled that ATOS say are fit to work when they arnt so recieve either a severe cut or no benefits at all while their appeal goes through which can take up to a year

just because your ok and not having to choose between food or rent dont assume everyone else is

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really, who used monetarism yes to create unemployment to keep inflation low.but news to the tories it aint working.

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17 ayes to the right 2 noes to the left the ayes have it.another policy in my manifesto people would vote for;)

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You AWLAYS TALK BOLLOCKS

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I see you're pulling numbers out yer arse, just like the real politicoes, so you shouldn't have a problem fitting right into a carreer as a pro Bollictician. :)

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Na Dave to be a politician you require at least one brain cell, sadly this does not apply to our friend from the north;)

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just like this eh Five million families on financial 'breaking point' - Channel 4 News..

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and I'll guarantee they're still drinking and smoking and running two cars;) and lets not forget Sky TV

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Whilst no doubt there are people conning the system, Many are Not, but thats a typical tory way of looking at things.:rolleyes:

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i wasnt aware it was refering to only families on benefits but your right it is the way of the tory to assume that anyone on benefits and dares to have any form of luxury is a cheat.God forbid somone be working and getting tax credits and dare to pay a relativly small fee for a basic sky bundle with internet and entertainment for the family.

i was going to say a lot more but to be honest im sick to death of hearing about how good people on benefits have it with their new cars and big tv's just because one or two people make certain red top papers headlines.

its not true its proppoganda crap spewed out to make people who work think its the people on benefits fault they get taxed heavily when in fact its tehir employer been allowed to pay them crap wages and government blowing money away hand over fist with the only option of screwing us harder to get more money to piff away

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Here here

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The problem starts when its more profitable to lie in bed than even try to find employment, anybody who thinks this is right is living in cloud cuckoo land. Benefits were put in place as a safety net not a way of life.

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I don't think anyone on here has stated that choosing not to work and living on benefits is right.

However I think the majority of folk aren't like you and realise that the majority on benefits aren't trying to screw the system.

Last time around your lot put all the blame on the unemployed, 'get on your bikes' you shouted, now you have gone even further, acting like Jesus and telling sick and disabled to 'pick up their beds and work'.

You really are acting like a Tory version of c'mon when you justify picking on the vulnerable rather than the guilty.

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Explain to me why DLA claims shot up from 200,000 to 700,500 in ten years even though there are great advances in medical cures, Being disabled myself I tend to notice when people only use a wheelchair and walking stick when the go for hospital check ups, when ambulance drivers have to help a person back to his home, then ten minutes later he skips down the path taking the dog for an hour long walk before getting into his mobility car to go shopping, your supposedly not to be able to walk or virtually unable to walk to drive one, funny old world Less if you take off the rose coloured specks for a minute or two

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In ten years immigration has also increased a fair bit, That could also be a factor in this, I really don't know the reasons, but seems you are fully informed.:rolleyes:

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notice I've added to that post since you read the original;)

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As I've posted I do open my eyes a bit Cashy, my problem is being disable it irks me right of when people fain illness for monetary gain. Genuine cases could receive more if we sorted the leeches out from the system, and to think its just a few minor cases, well:rolleyes:

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Do you honestly think that this increase you claim of 500,500 new claims are all scroungers?

Could it be that the great medical advances have actually kept people alive but not necessarily, made them fit to fend for themselves?

You spent 20 years claiming because you were ill not because you were a scrounger, I'm sure you would rather have been fit and working, no doubt the Majority of folk you are blaming for our woes would also like an alternative to being ill.

Once again I suggest that you pick on the guilty few, not the vulnerable majority.

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It irks most decent people,me in particular, but i don't slag em all, cos many more are genuine, summat you never seem to mention or notice?:rolleyes: The cheats are a different kettle of fish, but not when you comment.:rolleyes:

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the way the torys have turned the public against the sick the first question people will ask when going for treatment for things liek cancer wont be whats my chances of success but will i be able to do a full weeks work after my operation and will i be back to work before my 2 week sicknote runs out.

how dare these new medicines keep people with parkinsons dissease alive longer without ensuring the can work is another example

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Yeh yeh have added "NOTHING" that mentions the majority of innocents, all yeh done is highlighted again cheating, pathetic really.:rolleyes:

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was it not the tories who brought d.l.a. in in 1992.so that was 21 years ago.so jaysay, i think youve got your figures wrong lol you meant 20 years.at the end of 1992 there was 52,000 on dla,at the end of 1997 there was 217,000.so eleven years later there was 382,000 so thats 165,000 more in eleven years.so if you add the figures up the tories put 170,000 on dla labour put 165,000.jaysay you need to get your figures right before you start pouting off lol:D:D:D

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I recall that time - people were encouraged to move from unemployment benefit to sickness benefits so that it would appear that the unemployment figures were going down.

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Yeh but some seem to have forgotten that fact.:D:D:D:D

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well said, people who were in the know have told me this.

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i can think of another group of people that dont work and screw the tax payer for every penny they can.Sat at home with their sky tv,big tv,expensive wines and such

sacked polititions

they get voted out for doing a crap job and get a payout for teh rest of tehir lives yet have done nothing to deserve it

if we get fired we get called scroungers infact if you get fired you dont get benefit or have to wait a while before you can

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Less I've always said that those in need should get more and would if the ones pulling the wool were disqualified. I can't help but wondering why the system was changed, back when I first became unfit for work, you had a full medical every 26 weeks. Okay they're doing that now but, it should be carried out by doctors, but it sure as hell worked back then. The only difference with me was that I pleaded with the doc not to dump me on the scrap heap, but he wouldn't hear of it, all could say was you're not going to get better your only going to get worse. However, I do have a massive insight into disabled people because I ran the local branch of a national charity for five years, and came across some very iffy people. in fact the people wanting help the majority were no more disabled that your old cat. One guy in particular wanted help to obtain mobility allowance, he was asthmatic or so he said, I told him which form to get and if he wanted I'd help him fill it in, he arrived at my place, you've an idea where abouts that is, with his wife and he was carrying a small child, I just said where did you park your car, oh I haven't got one we came on the bus, but we got of two stops too early at the Town Hall and walked it here. I couldn't believe my ears, I said have you read this form, no he said, well it might be an idea if you did, it says the applicant must only be unable to walk or virtually unable to, and the last thing it say is to give false information disqualifies. He wasn't happy went I refused to aid and abet in a fraud and he left, this was not an isolated case believe me not by a long way

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So you hope to gain personally from the austerity measures.:rolleyes:

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No Margaret, I don't claim all the benefits I'm entitle to now, why should I, what could I spend it on, I contribute to my care, have all I need food wise, it even runs to a glass of fire water at weekends :) So unless they've started putting money in shrouds what's the point of letting it stagnate in my bank account;)

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You are only saying what everyone else has said but going about it the long way round.

Crack down on the scroungers not the innocent!

We know they are out there, we also know they are the ones that stand the best chance of staying on the benefits because the really, genuinely ill people don't lie at their test and are punished for it, by this system.

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What are these 'extra benefits' you volunteer to deny yourself?

If you are provided with free prescriptions, home visits from GP dentist optician and chiropodist, fresh air, subsidised home help, retirement pension, and possibly pension credit, council tax and housing benefit what is left to be 'unclaimed'?
Is it that you think you are quite expensive already?:D

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Wish I wasn't Margaret believe me, would sooner be having this debate face to face with Less and co over a pint in the Railway:D As for what I don't claim for, sorry that's on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know:p

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I am proud to say that I claim nothing other than Retirement Pension which I paid Nat Insurance for - I choose not to use the NHS either.

The 35 years of work full time has provided me with enough by way of a pension.

That doesn't mean I begrudge anybody claiming what the law entitles them to. The 35 years I worked was spent helping them to do just that.(in DHSS - now DWP)

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My Mother and Father were the same Margaret, but my father only had extra on his pension for a very serious injury he had at work, otherwise they got nowt else, I would think your pension would have started off as superannuation wouldn't.

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Most people are under the impression that civil service pensions were 'non contributory'. Technically 'yes' but actually 'no'.

For most of my 35 years there, pay scales were set by a pay comparison quango which looked at comparable occupations in the private sector then made a deduction for the 'non contributory perk'.