Dale Cregan
 

Yesterday Dale Cregan, who killed two police officers plus a father and son, was sentenced to life imprisonment, a full life tariff, which means he'll die in jail, unless some lawyer doesn't jump and say its against his human rights. How much this case has cost to try is any bodies guess, the only thing we do know is it cost over £5 million to transport this guy to court every day of his trial. As the head of Manchester Police said Cregan is pure evil, which I'm sure no one will disagree with. My question is how much is it going to cost to keep this low life scum in jail for the rest of his miserable life, if ever there was a case for bringing back capital punishment this is it, evil men deserve evil measures:mad:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

I agree, the majority on here will agree, the majority in the country will agree. Unfortunately, the politicians who are supposed to represent us don't.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Ya its really funny how opinions change on a trip from a train station down to Westminster Wyn:rolleyes:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

The politicians who are supposed to represent us were voted in by us, so their policies are ultimately our fault for voting them in. As far as I'm aware, no party has a manifesto which includes the return of capital punishment. The ones most likely to introduce it are the ones you probably wouldn't want to be voting for because of their other policies.

I can't see why it costs £41,000 per year to keep someone in prison - and for this thing it will probably be more. Stick him in a 10x10x10 cube, bung some bangers and mash through a slot twice a day and some loo roll twice a week, and leave him to it.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Ya but it won't happen Studio, mind you its no good asking for a referendum on capital punishment, when we can't even get one on in or out of Europe:mad:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Cregan killed so he should be killed to save the taxpayers money

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Thing is to me hes only got such a sentence cos 2 of his victims were police, anyone who thinks different has slate loose.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Is that a bad thing?

Re: Dale Cregan
 

ahh but we cant be held to blame when a politition says they will do one thing then do a completely different thing when elected on their prommise.

blair broke every election prommise within 6 months of getting in power and so far i think cameron has done over 20 u-turns after prommising a no u-turn policey when standing for election

not one of them can be trusted to do the right thing they are corrupt to the core and its starts at council level and just gets worse the higher up they get

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Yeh as far as i'm concerned it is, a life is a life when murdered, unless you think different?

Re: Dale Cregan
 

sadly an offence is classed a smore serious when cmmited against a police officer

not long ago a man was imprisoned for calling a police horse gay

i doubt if i called someone gay i would be put in prison

if you take someones life by the act of murder then you should expect to have yours taken away wether it be by execution or life in prison regardless of what social standing or job the victim had

Re: Dale Cregan
 

True, sadly those with low I.Qs. don't grasp the fact.:rolleyes:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

another example is that when soldiers are spat upon when returning from active duty serving their country the courts arnt as harsh as if you were to spit on a police officer if an arrest is made at all

dont get me wrong assaulting an officer of the law is serious and should in no way be belittled but just as a clear message has to be sent that asasaulting or murdering a police officer wont be tolerated a clear message that doing the same to a member of the public wont be accepted must be sent also.

Sadly in most cases murderers get about 14-20 years and half off if they behave in prison so out in between 7-10 years

national coverage in the press sometimes helps get criminals longer in prison though because the world is watching and it has to be seen something is been done

Re: Dale Cregan
 

As usual, total silence from members of mainstream political parties on this thread. :rolleyes:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Not too long to wait Wyn before the politicos return to tell us how good they are for us and how they will represent the wishes of the electorate - the usual misrepresentations from the usual culprits when it is time for us to vote.:rolleyes:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Killing a police officer is regarded as worse than a Joe Blogs but I suppose that is because the police represent the Crown in a way. The low life that killed that little girl in Wales got a full life sentence a couple of weeks ago though, I think life should mean life for murder who ever is killed. As for the scum who do things like the man in Wales I would put them in a room with the father and some other male relatives and after half an hour we would not have to bother paying out all the cash to keep them for years in jail. It is time the jails were made more spartan . I read this week where a new one in Scotland is being built with fitted carpets,tv in all cells etc. They would be back on bread and water if I had my way.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Apparently this scumbags trial has cost Lancashire £2.3m , should have just slotted the bastard and saved us a fortune.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Amen to that.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Two of his victims would have done the same thing to him, given the opportunity. The other two of his victims (thought they) were on there way to help a member of the public who'd had his windows put through.

Yes - I think different.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Here in Australia a few of "those things" that commit murder have been given relatavely light setence due the the Judge saying that the murder was not one of the worse kind of muder.

Bloody hell Murder is Murder, its a pity that some of the judicial have their heads in the clouds (or somewhere else)

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Somehow that comes as no surprise to me.:rolleyes:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

That's a long way off Barrie, at least 10 months until the May council elections

Re: Dale Cregan
 

I think the problem is Keith that the upper ends of the judiciary in any country don't live in the real world, in this country Judges are transported to and from court in Limo's and live in Ivory Towers, it might be an idea if they were made to spend 12 months living on a council estate in say Nottingham or Bristol, think the sentencing might improve if this hapened:rolleyes:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

He wouldn't live on a council estate in Nottingham. He would be the next murder victim.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

I wonder if the judges would be so condescending & lenient if it had been someone from their family or friends who'd been murdered or abused?

Re: Dale Cregan
 

I think it's because the police HAVE to confront these scumbags on a regular basis - the rest of us have the option to run away if we can.

Anyway there is never going to be a return to capital punishment and we will have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that we will have to fork out to keep murderers in jail in humane conditions for life or for as long as the judges and parole board see fit.

If you can change it - change it, if you can't - then stop worrying about it?

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Unlikely to change no doubt, but saying nowt will "Never" change anything.:rolleyes:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Perhaps someone should show Cregan a hand grenade through the hatch of his cell door then open it and lob it in.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

That would ruin the tiling though.:D

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Yes but at least the cell would have been fumigated against vermin.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Yeah, but re-tiling will be a one off cost & a fraction of the price. Makes economic sense in my book during these times of austerity & spending cuts.

Dale Cregan
 

Maybe I'm on my own?
Perhaps rather than being cruel to murderers and low life we should show them compassion and give them the chance to mend their ways, prove to us they are worthy members of society, reward them for their short comings by giving them the better things in life.
Perhaps we are being too harsh?
If I had a daughter or son killed for example, I'm sure I would take a step back and consider it from his point of view?

O.K. I lie, I'm selfish, I would consider it from my point of view.

That is, if the sick bastard caught bang to rights continues to deny he did anything wrong, the rope is too good for him.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Well the death penalty still exist in our prison, it appears Mr. Cregan is on the isolation wing of the prison as there's already been a few death threats made:rolleyes:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Ah but is that from incarcerated rivals, or because he killed two police officers, or because he killed two women?

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Maybe because he though he was the big I AM, and they're reminding him that he isn't any more:rolleyes:

Re: Dale Cregan
 

Just an observation.

The £41k is the top end. It costs around a third for other prisoners.

The £5m for Dale Cregan trial, an incredible 120 police officers was due to the criminal families in attendamce and on trial. Other offenders were also convicted to very long sentences. Some of the worst crime families in Britain. Part of the trial was the rival gangland killing of the Shorts so you had some of fhe worst rival crime families heading up the M61 together plus Cregan and the other criminals in prison vans.

My own view is that life in jail is a tougher sentence than escaping via death row.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

We just have the wrong kinds of jails. What we need for people like this is the Supermax variant that USA has. Richard Reed (the british Shoe Bomber who filed to light his shoe) was sent there, not because he's an amazing escape artist so needed the extra security, but as a form of societal revenge.

In America they designed a special solitary confinement prison keeping people in total segregation from all humanity forever. Entombed alive is what it is. 23 hrs of solitude followed by 1 hr of solitude in a larger room. Never ever see another human, never speak to one, never see daylight..... the list goes on. Now that's what you call putting the boot in (excuse the pun)

BBC News - Just how bad are American 'supermax' prisons?

Ian Brady would not be making arguments to go to prison if this was where he was headed. I for one would love to see him there, and would pay for his flight.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

I wouldn't dispute that, but as you may have noticed from the general tenor of this thread, ordinary folk are not happy with the criminal justice system. Cregan may have received a whole life tarriff but he's the exception rather than the rule. Coldblooded murders should warrant a whole life sentence automatically and should be kept in much more spartan conditions. You know as well as I do that this is the view of ordinary people, outside of a little group of chattering class liberals. Unfortunately, your party and the Tories do not reflect our views on the subject.

Re: Dale Cregan
 

In different times that might be the case Graham, but when you weigh up the cost of keeping scum like this in prison for life, in Cregan's case could be over 50 years, the cost to the taxpayer is extortionate. So once again we find our MP would not listen to his constituents, a big majority of people would support the return of the death penalty for these violent criminals who commit these atrocities, yet you would not support that, may be if it became Labour Party policy you would or would have too:rolleyes: