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Rowlf 17-06-2013 13:51

Ian Brady
 
I cannot believe Brady is even being heard at a tribunal. What right does he have to dictate where he is held. I have never believed him to be insane just evil. If he wants to die I say keep him alive, I know it would save us money if we did not have to keep him in prison but he should suffer for what he did to those children in the 60's. I suppose it would be an idea to say he could end his own life if he tells where Keith Bennet is buried. The agony he has imposed to Keith's family all these years is unforgivable. I only hope the judges bear them in mind when they come to their conclusions. If he dies Keith's remains will never be found.

GEaston 17-06-2013 15:11

Ian Brady
 
I think keeping him alive against his wishes is money well spent. Not only should we not be having a hearing to listen to his rights, but I personally think human testing should replace animal testing of products with cases like his. Why should monkeys, cats and rabbits be used for the testing of new cosmetics and chemicals when we have Ian Brady?

He would provide a more accurate test result, society would get some return and fewer animals would be harmed.

Am I alone in having what many will argue are extreme views of what to do with child killers ?

westendlass 17-06-2013 15:21

Re: Ian Brady
 
I think you are right, how much more public money should be spent on this freak knowing he'll never get what he wants. They should just shut the cell door and forget about the human (and I use the term lightly) abhorration. He's still getting more than he deserves.

Rowlf 17-06-2013 15:26

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Well I agree whole heartedly with your views. They could use that vile individual from Wales too who murdered little April. I think once they commit these hideous crimes they forfit their human rights. They certainly didnt have any regard for the childrens human rights. As for Brady pleading for anything, the tape of little Anne Downey pleading for her life at his hands should be played to the judges. I suspect they will never have heard it and if they did they should have no doubt what their verdict should be.

jaysay 17-06-2013 17:20

Re: Ian Brady
 
He wants to prove he's now sane, something he may find hard to do, If he is proved to be sane he can go back into prison, where he will be allowed to starve himself to death. personally I don't give a monkeys what happens to this whack job, but I hope he fails, and he is made to carry on being kept alive for another 20 years, and he suffers every single day, there should be no easy way out for this piece of human sh1t:mad:

accyman 17-06-2013 18:52

Re: Ian Brady
 
it could have been done for free years ago if they simply put him in to the general population wing.

i think its disgusting that pedos and child killers have an option to go into isolation .Perhaps if they knew what was ahead they may do themselves in before they get to prison and save a fortune in costs

westendlass 18-06-2013 09:49

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I once read an autobiography by Chris Lambrianou, one of the henchmen jailed with the Krays called Escape from the Kray Madness. In it, he mentions he just happened to be on the Beasts Landing ( where they keep the worst sex offenders /murderers) when he saw Brady being escorted through. He took his chance and punched him as hard as he could and Brady went down screaming in terror like the coward he is. Seems he couldn't take it when the boot was on the other foot,literally.

Taggy 19-06-2013 21:10

Re: Ian Brady
 
I don't think for one minute that Brady does actually intend to starve himself to death, its just further manipulation of the system by a total control freak. Keeps him in the news & folk talking about him. If he was moved back into a prison he would want to maintain control, plus they would still probably force feed him in Prison in any case if he continued that stance. He's Evil.....but he's not thick & he knows this. Unfortunately they have a duty of care for the prisoners so wouldn't allow him to starve!

Best Regards - Taggy

westendlass 25-06-2013 21:20

Re: Ian Brady
 
You are right that he is a control freak, why the hell are we giving him any sort of voice in court when it is well known that he is a manipulative, narcissistic attention seeker who wouldn't know empathy if it was tatooed on his forehead. He has dismissed his crimes as 'petty'. He should just be left in his cell and forgotten about until he dies. I'm sick to death of the all the crap we have from the European Court of Human Rights.

cashman 25-06-2013 21:35

Re: Ian Brady
 
I reckon he wants to return to Max Security Prison so he can not be force fed, the scheming barsteward wants to die, I'm perfectly happy fer him to be left in Ashworth so he will be kept alive by force feeding, The authorities should "NEVER" give n inch to this evil scheming get.

Restless 25-06-2013 21:39

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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1064141)
'm sick to death of the all the crap we have from the European Court of Human Rights.

You don't want any Human Rights?

cashman 25-06-2013 21:44

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1064145)
You don't want any Human Rights?

As far as i'm concerned by committing a heinous crime yeh should forfeit yer Human Rights simple as.;)

jaysay 26-06-2013 08:21

Re: Ian Brady
 
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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1064145)
You don't want any Human Rights?

Animals don't have human rights Restless, I was around at the time he was in action along with that other piece of scum Hindley, No doubt he'll be sat there with a cheesy grin knowing he's been allowed back into the headlines, and made some lawyer a nice little packet.

Restless 26-06-2013 08:29

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064155)
Animals don't have human rights Restless

To understand why I asked the question you need to put the subject aside for a few seconds.

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I'm sick to death of the all the crap we have from the European Court of Human Rights.
OMG IM SICK TO DEATH OF MY HUMAN RIGHTS.... The statement sounds so flaming stupid to me.

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064155)
I was around at the time he was in action along with that other piece of scum Hindley, No doubt he'll be sat there with a cheesy grin knowing he's been allowed back into the headlines, and made some lawyer a nice little packet.

As far as Brady. They should tell him "tell us where the final body is and we'll let you kill yourself" How about the human rights of the parent of the last victim. Hell. If this piece of crap wants to kill himself- let him.

Restless 26-06-2013 08:44

Re: Ian Brady
 
Sorry. Just saying. I'm sick to death of the all the crap we have from the European Court of Human Rights sounds like overkill to me

jaysay 26-06-2013 09:20

Re: Ian Brady
 
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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1064157)
Sorry. Just saying. I,'m sick to death of the all the crap we have from the European Court of Human Rights sounds like overkill to me

I've no problem with the act Restless just the way its abused by scum like Brady, and people who I detest even more are the bottom feeding Human Rights lawyers who defend this scum, to me they're just as bad as the ones they represent, have they know shame.:mad:

Restless 26-06-2013 10:06

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064160)
I've no problem with the act Restless just the way its abused by scum like Brady, and people who I detest even more are the bottom feeding Human Rights lawyers who defend this scum, to me they're just as bad as the ones they represent, have they know shame.:mad:

I agree it Is quite disgusting how they make lots of money. But If we are to have human rights the sad thing is these monsters also have to.

cashman 26-06-2013 10:14

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1064163)
I agree it Is quite disgusting how they make lots of money. But If we are to have human rights the sad thing is these monsters also have to.

Why?:confused: Thats n issue our useless politicians should be addressing, Oh i forget they don't represent the public.:rolleyes:

Restless 26-06-2013 10:33

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1064164)
Oh i forget they don't represent the public.:rolleyes:

That's easy to forget :p

Margaret Pilkington 26-06-2013 12:46

Re: Ian Brady
 
The people who invoke the EHCR frequently are those who do not recognise that, along with human righs, come human responsibilities.
And when the human rights of one person over-ride the human rights of those who have suffered at the hands of rapists, murderers, paedophiles and the like........it is an 'off the cuff' statement to make....born out of frustration.

Convicted criminals - those who have been subjected to the due process of the law...who have disregarded the human rights of others, should forfeit all entitlement to everything but the most basic human rights(those would be.....to housed, to be fed, and to be allowed to draw breath....and that would be it).

Ian Brady is 'grandstanding'...he believes himself to be superior to everyone else(just because you believe something doesn't make it a fact)....and what was that all about? When asked why he had murdered(and tortured) those five children...his answer was 'for the existential experience'...did he truly have to murder FIVE children to get this existential experience?

He is using terminology that he considers will bamboozle the man in the street.
He is a very sick excuse for a scrap of humanity....and in my opinion(for what it is worth) he should be allowed to starve himself to death(haven't we paid enough for his over-inflated ego over the years)....but I don't think he has the guts to do that.....it is just another controlling ploy.

jaysay 26-06-2013 17:16

Re: Ian Brady
 
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1064175)
The people who invoke the EHCR frequently are those who do not recognise that, along with human righs, come human responsibilities.
And when the human rights of one person over-ride the human rights of those who have suffered at the hands of rapists, murderers, paedophiles and the like........it is an 'off the cuff' statement to make....born out of frustration.

Convicted criminals - those who have been subjected to the due process of the law...who have disregarded the human rights of others, should forfeit all entitlement to everything but the most basic human rights(those would be.....to housed, to be fed, and to be allowed to draw breath....and that would be it).

Ian Brady is 'grandstanding'...he believes himself to be superior to everyone else(just because you believe something doesn't make it a fact)....and what was that all about? When asked why he had murdered(and tortured) those five children...his answer was 'for the existential experience'...did he truly have to murder FIVE children to get this existential experience?

He is using terminology that he considers will bamboozle the man in the street.
He is a very sick excuse for a scrap of humanity....and in my opinion(for what it is worth) he should be allowed to starve himself to death(haven't we paid enough for his over-inflated ego over the years)....but I don't think he has the guts to do that.....it is just another controlling ploy.

Couldn't have put it better myself Margaret, his barrister in summing up has said his client is now sane after a deep depression in the 80s, his client has never been sane and I hope he hasn't pulled the wool over the judges eyes:mad:

Less 26-06-2013 17:34

Re: Ian Brady
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064195)
Couldn't have put it better myself Margaret, his barrister in summing up has said his client is now sane after a deep depression in the 80s, his client has never been sane and I hope he hasn't pulled the wool over the judges eyes:mad:

Anyone that was sane would never have done what he did and if he is now sane, how come he still has no regrets for such insane actions?

Margaret Pilkington 27-06-2013 07:03

Re: Ian Brady
 
He talked about his 'existential experience'........yet his desire for this 'experience' removed from his victims, their chances to have any kind of life experience. Not only that, he controlled his victims families emotions by not telling them where the remians of their children were buried. It was all about him having power over other people.

His actions were not for the existential experience, but for the pleasure of controlling someone weaker that him.......imposing his will on them, giving him a feeling of power.

I rarely say this, but death is too good for him. He should never ever have one moments peace, either in life or in death.

jaysay 27-06-2013 07:40

Re: Ian Brady
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1064231)
He talked about his 'existential experience'........yet his desire for this 'experience' removed from his victims, their chances to have any kind of life experience. Not only that, he controlled his victims families emotions by not telling them where the remians of their children were buried. It was all about him having power over other people.

His actions were not for the existential experience, but for the pleasure of controlling someone weaker that him.......imposing his will on them, giving him a feeling of power.

I rarely say this, but death is too good for him. He should never ever have one moments peace, either in life or in death.

To me he would have been an ideal candidate for death row American style where the inmates are never quite sure when the ends is going to come, could it be today or could it be next week or in ten years.

westendlass 28-06-2013 13:07

Re: Ian Brady
 
Well, that's a surprise. Brady has been ordered to stay in Ashworth High Security Mental Hospital as he's still 'suffering' from a severe personality disorder and mental illness. Did the families of the children really have to be made to suffer again? This was always going to be the outcome and Brady got to put himself in the limelight once again. He's still manipulating and scheming at the age of 75.

cashman 28-06-2013 13:10

Re: Ian Brady
 
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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1064431)
Well, that's a surprise. Brady has been ordered to stay in Ashworth High Security Mental Hospital as he's still 'suffering' from a severe personality disorder and mental illness. Did the families of the children really have to be made to suffer again? This was always going to be the outcome and Brady got to put himself in the limelight once again. He's still manipulating and scheming at the age of 75.

Agree n no doubt this piece of crap will continue to do so, Whats the betting on n appeal?:rolleyes::mad: Another waste of taxpayers money n more heartache fer relatives.

jaysay 28-06-2013 17:10

Re: Ian Brady
 
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1064432)
Agree n no doubt this piece of crap will continue to do so, Whats the betting on n appeal?:rolleyes::mad: Another waste of taxpayers money n more heartache fer relatives.

Ya its a pity that hanging had just been curtailed when he and Hindley were caught, it would have saved us from this scum and save millions in the bargain :mad:


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