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Just been listening to a sad tale,
A bloke in his 60's not far from retirement, been suspended from job seekers, the reason?
Hasn't logged into his account with the super duper job seekers online system.
The guy is hardly able to put pen to paper, so managing a keyboard less than no chance.
Leading up to his suspension, when they introduced this sparkling new system he was asked if he had a computer & an email address, because he answered no, they arranged a 10 day course, despite being unable to understand what was being discussed, he got a pass for the course, then was given a list of places he could go to log on free.
He tried, he failed, but was then suspended for not fulfilling his obligation to the agreement he'd signed about job searching.

Now come on, some folk will never, ever be able to use a computer, it isn't something they want or need, but to leave a confused guy with no money just because he doesn't and probably never will understand a new system.
How can this be right?

Before some smart arse asks no, I'm not talking about me.
:)

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its all over the internet and has been on the tv about how staff at job centers are been given targets to get peoples money suspended so no matter how hard you have tried if you have been chisen your going to loose your money.The staff have to hit these targets or face loosing their jobs as well as they will be under performning their duties which is to deliberatly deny a claimant their money.They are even tricking the more aware into saying things that provide an excuse to impose sanctions as they are called.

its a disgrace and only possible under a tory government

i could post lots of links but it aint hard to find thsi information so if you think its bull take a look around the net and previous shows of panorama

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oh and dont forget retirement age is set to go up yet again if cameron gets his way so instead of clocking out of work you get taken out in a coffin

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I know one or two that no matter what you show them on a computer it never sinks in. Could you or one of your friends not help him.

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Won't be long though before some clown comes along to defend these barstewards.:rolleyes:

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its one thing to prove you are looking fo rwork but a whole different thing when people are been targeted and tricked out of money they are entitled too

lets no forget here that a lot of people claiming benefit have paid NI and TAX its not their fault government has urined the money away and cant afford to pay what is rightfully due to people
dosnt stop them giving millions away to folk who habvnt paid naff all into the sysytem though

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millipeed or band i think hes called has openly said that he wont reverse the bedroom tax so i doubt he would reverse owt else if elected the guttless git

no better than cameron and they wonder why folk say they are all the same

crooked

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Oh they will cut cash from people who have worked all lives n now really need it, but they have had to do this cos they aint cutting Foreign Aid.:rolleyes::mad:

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aint stopping more comin in either so where are all these jobs to accomodate the citizens of this country and all those that come here if theres no excuse for been unemployed ?

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If only they would allow me to rent the spare room I have to pay extra for to 15 or 20 rich immigrants!

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you can but you have to declare it so they can deduct what you get from your HB

10 years ago it wasnt enough jobs for the people of this country yet alone immigrants and now its not enough benefi for the people of this country yet alone immigrants

but been in the EU is making us better off its very important to remember that

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Exactly, they are killing free enterprise!

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if you were to sell your arse down back alleys they wouldnt stop you but deduct what you earned from your benefit so thats not an option either mate

possibly tax you as well

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If I was to sell my arse down back alleys, I think I would have a lonely, one man business and a tax rebate at the end of the year!

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It isn't right, and this man should get in touch with Graham Jones and see what he has to say about it...and see if he can organise something so that this man can get his rightful benefits.

Government departments need to recognise that 1) not everyone has access to computers. 2) not everyone is computer literate.
3)some people do not want to be computer literate.4) some people do not trust the security of computers.

These are all valid reasons why there should be some other system in place for these people.

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margaret they are fully aware of what you are saying its just one method they are using to save money by deliberatly setting out to deny genuine claimants their money

the computer illiterate are easy targets not people to be helped

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Usual morning round of positivity on the forum I see......

The debate about "entitled to benefits" is a fascinating one to me, whether you have paid your taxes or not. As it happens I have, and I have 25 years of contributions to show for it. Despite that I don't see myself as being entitled to any benefits, ever. I also don't think I'll ever see a state pension because it'll have been removed from people who can support themselves - and I think that's fair.

No benefits whatsoever here in Asia, but no need or them either because the family is responsible for care, be it when you are sick, unemployed, disabled whatever. You look after your kids to they grow up then they look after you. Imagine that, what a weird concept. I think it's called a family....something the UK has long forgotten.

Any danger that someone might have something positive to say? What about starting a thread on the benefits to Lancashire of sitting on some of the worlds largest shale gas reserves?

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theres no debate about it if you have paid your way your entitled to help its what National Insurance is for hence why they ask self employed people if they have paid their national insurance stamp when they need help

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This man has probably paid into a system which is supposed to support him if he becomes unemployed.......if it isn't going to do this then hasn't the government failed him?

There are people who come into this country having paid not a bean...yet when they land here they are given the full run down on what benefits they can claim and how to go about it.

And while on the topic of a thread with some positivity...well, it is a public forum, so do please feel free to start something yourself.
I do not see the thread as something negative per se. It is just outlining a problem that somer poor unfortunate soul has.
There but for the grace of God(whichever one that might be) go all of us.
You may be fortunate enough not to need a support system...but there are plenty who do.
(I will await the incoming red stuff now)

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Oh, and another thing..if you do not like the forum...then you have two options...one is to stay and improve it with suitably edifying threads......the other is to leave.
It is entirely your choice.
(more red at 12 o clock)

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Every forums got a knob.:rolleyes:

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The one thing which sticks in my crow is there are things which are ring fenced and won't be cut, NHS quite rightly, but foreign aid its a joke, I should think we are keeping our fair share of overseas hangers on here in this country, never mind send money so the likes of India can develop nuclear weapons. we should look after our own first then if there's out left give somebody else a crumb. but thinking about it my father if he was still alive wouldn't have had a clue about computers and I know that for a fact :mad:

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It was just the same when they decided to do away with pension books and have everything paid into a bank or post office account, my old man had to open a current account so he could draw his pension, ridiculous :mad:

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so as I don't have children .. don't have parents as they've both died .. who is responsible for my care ...

and what about the earth tremors a couple of years ago felt in blackpool after they started testing for the fracking .....

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don't I know it .. my mum was the same .. and from the day she had to open a post office account to get her pension to the day she died she never went to the post office to get her pension, she didn't know her PIN code either ... my problem was I kept getting her PIN code mixed up with mine ... and the cards as well ... having to ask which one id put in so I knew which one I was getting ... lol

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Somehow I doubt that you see anything, in fact I doubt that you can hear very much either, you may even be suffering curvature of the spine and a very stiff neck, after all to wander the world with your head rammed so far up your own anus would be considered by most to be a disability, however for you it must be a treat, you are closer to the crap you believe in.

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in all fairness india tried giving it back they dont want our money we effectivly force it onto them


others however

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Maybe collective moaning is a form of group therapy. As you know I've been following the threads for a few months, and make the observation that I can't recall a positive comment. Gotta be 10/1.

Now you can moan about me being positive and tell me to leave, however while it is an option to go, it is also my choice to stay (unless kicked out by the mods). As you know I like a challenge.

In this guys case we are all assuming that he's a paid up worker, why? He doesn't seem to have any skills so more likely not paid up. On the folk that made no contributions at all then yes, agreement abounds - they shouldn't get a penny.

It was Labour that both historically and more recently opened the floodgates of immigration. He'll they don't even know who they let in, which is amazing because whenever I land in a UK airport there's a long long queue suggesting that border control are doing more than just eating donuts. For 12 years under Labour they were eating donuts!

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I guess Sheillagh that you'd be a genuine case. The govt could afford to pay for you if it didn't waste money left and right, but because it does the country is in debt to more that £1,200,000,000,000 which means there's nothing left for anyone not even those in genuine need.

Less, try fitting that number on your slide rule ;-)

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c'mon Wizz accept the price of human varieties, perspectives different from yours :alright:

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Think positive Bring back the workhouse:p

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No-one(as far as I know) is telling you to leave...just letting you know that you have a choice...and what the choice is. The final decision has to be yours......and aren't you doing quite a lot of assuming too.
Just because you consider this person not to have any skills, does not in any way suggest he has not worked or contributed to the NI scheme.

Since when was discussion considered to be moaning?

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I have searched for the definition of a 'civilised society' and found these quotes.

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. " - Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." - Mahatma Ghandi

"A society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members and among the most vulnerable are surely the unborn and the dying," -Pope John Paul II

Aristotle has often been quoted as saying you can judge a nation by the way it treats its most vulnerable citizens.

If we consider the atrocious crimes committed against children and the way the elderly are treated as second-rate citizens in our so-called civilized countries, I would have to say that we are in the decline of civilisation..

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Well I've just dashed to the bathroom (I haven't really, just said that for effect :rolleyes:)to take my temperature as I find myself agreeing with your last sentence, well the bit about the elderly that is.

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If we stopped providing aid to countries which have space programs...and who have notoriously corrupt governments...or gave aid, but made it a condition that the country accepting the aid had to purchase British goods and services.
Then we would be able to look after our elderly, the poor and the disabled a lot better than we do now.

If we are expected to provide our own pensions, then I want my 40 years worth of NI contributions back.(plus any interest it has accrued over those years)
I am entitled to my pension because I have paid into the system for 40 years...the governments during this time took my money - and if they misused it..or did not invest it wisely enough to ensure I could have the pension they promised, it is not my fault. They should stop giving the money to those who have paid nothing into the pot.

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As I said Marge no one is arguing that folk who don't pay into the system should get anything out of it. In fact hasn't the Tory government just proposed that ie what you get back is related to what you paid in?

I'm just noting that I paid in, but expect I will get nothing back. It's a one way contribution for me, and I am ok with that.

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Well, it shouldn't be alright with you.
Are you in the habit of paying for something and not getting it? ...Shrugging your shoulders and saying 'well, that's Ok - it doesn't matter'.

It is a contribution that you cannot choose not to pay.
And the fact that(during my working life) I made provisions for my autumn years, could remove the liability of the government to pay me the pension that they promised me, doesn't sit well with me.
Those of us who are of pensionable age, are currently being blamed for the black hole in the welfare state. Yet we are the people who worked, and made goods that gave Britain the money to give away to other countries.....to give to those who come here and take money from the welfare pot(then send it back to their home country, where it benefits that economy - and buys more there).
They tell us that we should not have a bus pass......and it isn't free...I pay for it with my taxes.
They tell us we shouldn't have the winter heating allowance....but they can send billions of pounds in aid to other countries, but we can sit here in the winter and freeze because the price of power has rocketed(saving for my autumn years was meant to provide me with some little treats - but goes on eating and heating)

I am far from being wealthy......my pension is less than half of the average wage in this country and much less than many people who do not work, get in benefits.
I still pay tax.

No...we in this country are too generous to others who neither need or want our help(thinking of India - yes they have poor, but our aid does nothing to help those people).
Other countries with despotic leaders, take our money and use it for purposes other than it was intended for...it certainly does not go to helping the poor - or building an infrastructure that would benefit them.

The money should be used in this country. Helping sort out our own ailing economy, building roads...or even repairing those that we already have.
Building power stations........paying off the debt of those hospitals which were built using PFI and are now crippled by this debt.
I could go on and on...but what good would it do when our elected representatives listen to no-one? (least of all the electorate)

But it is Ok with you, because it doesn't actually touch you. Well right now it may not do...but it might ....... one day!

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I would respectfully ask you not to refer to me in such a manner.
I am not the cheaper version of anything!

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Reckon its best to ignore the know it all.:rolleyes:

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I have to say You've always been Margaret to me and will remain to be so, if you'd wanted to be called Marge that would have been your screen name:rolleyes:

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He is playing a dangerous game. When enough people wish he would be knocked off his sanctimonious pedestal - it likely will happen.;)

Dr. Buryl Payne (The Power of Collective Thought)

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if it wasnt for benefits some people wouldnt be able to buy as many properties as they do


not a specifcally targeted at anyone its just that when thinking about it quite a lot of people get pretty well off and have a steady income thanks to housing benefit payments and they dont get stigmatized for taking benefit money like the claimant does

i can think of 2 lads i know that do pretty damn well out of single parents occupying their houses that are now paid off thanks to housing benefit

pretty good screw this buy a cheap crappy house ,get it to code and have the council pay the mortgage for you plus a bit of proffit each week

just imagine how much money you could make from teh council if you bought a rundown building and turned it into 1 bed flats at £90 pw or more

as for our own budding property developer i have no idea how much or if he even rents at all to the unemployed but a lot of folk make a good living from renting to benefit claimants

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i wouldnt say marge means cheaper

homer seems happy enough with his marge :D

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Not trying to defend anyone, but if someone puts there money into a property to rent it out, and there are a lot of risks and extra costs with renting out a property, then surely they are entitled to make a bit of profit. And without any profit, they wouldn`t do it, which means there will be more empty properties in need of repair, and less decent places to live.
Is £90/wk the going rate for a flat nowadays. I have a stepson who lives in a bedsit for £55/wk, includes all bills, gas, leccy, tv licence & council tax.

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i wasnt having a dig just pointing out that a lot of people do pretty well from benefits via proxy if you like

also if you visit certain parts of accy and rishton for example its pretty clear these people dont all invest in teh properties

mind you there wouldnt be a need for all these properties if someone hadnt sold off all the council houses only to be paying out double in rent for them than when they owned them

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£55 p/w jesus thats cheap i was paying that for a bedsit back in teh early 90's and i had to feed an electric meter as well and no tv licence included or gas

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Pretty sure it`s £55, although it is quite a small room and it`s in Rishton, I`ll check with the Mrs tomorrow. The bigger bedsits in the same building are more.

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that alone could explain the low price lol :D

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Yeah, but Homer is happy with duff beer.......shouldn't that tell you something?:D

I am not Marge...I'm Best Butter!

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very wise not trying to defend anyone, yeh never know.Peter Rachman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediahttp://notting-hill.london.myvillage.../peter-rachman

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You'll always be the cream on top of the milk Margaret:D

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You say the nicest things John !
Thankyou.

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Not to me he don't.:D

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you wouldn't expect out different, you'd think I'd gone soft:p:D

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There`s good and bad in all walks of life Cashman.:)

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Exactly why i said very wise n yeh never know.;)