Madeleine McCann
 

Wondered what other Accy folk think about all this public money being spent on looking for Madeleine. There are lots of children go missing every year but there is no where near the time and trouble spent on looking for them. Would there have been so much trouble taken if they had been Mr and Mrs J,Bloggs from Accrington instead of a GP and a Heart Specialist ?

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Whilst i have always felt sorry fer the poor little mite, I fail to comprehend why money, which is supposed to be in short supply, Should be spent investigating why any child going missing abroad, when kids in our own country vanish without trace,:confused: It certainly appears to me, it depends on who you are, n who yer friends are.

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I think this subject has been covered in more than one thread on this forum.

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It has, but this is a new investigation, why should it not be mentioned??:confused: Or should accyweb just fade away n die?

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No...Cashy, of course it shouldn't...and you should know better than to ask me that.
But if this thread is going to re-hash lots of the acrimonius feelings that the other threads threw up, then it is not a helpful/pleasant/interesting read.

What happened in the past cannot be changed, another investigation may throw up some other suspects - but then again it may not.
And if you were the parents of this child(regardless of your status/location/money) you would want the best investigation possible.
It is what happened when April Jones went missing and no-one complained about the cost of that or the man hours expended.....ah but of course, her parents were not seen by the general public of this country to be negligent.
There but for the grace of God(whichever one you choose to support) go many many parents, if they would just admit it.

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But of course they won't.
We can all see the speck in someone else's eye, but not the plank in our own.

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Most forums have rules about searching before making a thread. Can't recall if accyweb does.

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Sorry if it seemed I was dragging old stuff up but it has been on the news only today
so it is a current subject.

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Why should a search be required? This is a completely new development.

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Thanks for that Cashman

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Easy enough solution if someone doesn't like a thread or feels it's repetitive. Don't read it!

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Still the same subject. Dunno. Never been a 1 thread for 1 subject nazi myself... just saying

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could save a fortune and ask her mom and dad where they dumped her

yes i admit it im one of them that think mom and dad pulled a blinder

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when tehy find her bod or shoudl i say if they find her body i dare say new thread will errupt all over teh world never mond accywebb

new deveopment = new specualtion

people amy have changed tehir opinion oh whats happened others liek me may not have

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why not search the site rules:p:D
here is the link to them

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...mer-29681.html

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Ah so accyweb does have that rule

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No need to be sorry...and of course some subjects will re-surface time and again.
While that doesn't mean there should be no debate, it is better if the other threads are located and it can be tacked on to the older thread.

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If they find her alive(which is what is being thought by Scotland Yard) will you eat those words on a butty?:)
Like you...I haven't changed my opinion either.

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While I appreciate what you are saying...wouldn't that make for a very boring forum...?
And we all know what happens to the boring ones(think Burnley Web)!

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If they find her or not what happened is still 100% the fault of the parents. Have they ever been charged for leaving the children alone so they could have a night out with friends?

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Neil, parents do things that could be seen as risky........parenting isn't an exact science.
I left my child to go and peg out my washing...while I was pegging out my washing, if she had hurt herself would I be charged with child neglect?
Many, many parents will have done similar things. I do not say that this is right, but that is the reality.......they should have been safe in their room.....they were not tied to a lampost outside a pub...or left in a push chair outside a pub.

Anyway, this is precisely the situation which re-hashing the same old, same old does.....so I will sign off from this thread, I have said everything many times in the other thread relating to this issue......and I have not changed my mind.

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Theres a world of difference between goin pegging yer washing n goin out enjoying yerself on holiday.

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nope because if by some miracle she is alive its not as though they didnt bring suspition upon themselves by their neglect of their child.They arent the victimes here their daughter is maninly by her parents actions

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wasnt there mention that they drugged teh kids so they wouldnt interupt their fun.

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Mrs McCann is an anesthetist :eek:

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to be fair i think someone would have noticed the euquiptment ;)

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I read today that another £85,000 has been given by the Home Office towards the search for Madeleine. I dont think any other family has ever had the help and the public money
this family have. Bet if it had been Joe Bloggs family from Accrington he would not have had it all. To me, right or wrong, it is not fair on other families that have loved ones missing especially if it is through no fault of their own.

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I don't think any British money should have been spent on this case until the McCanns have been questioned by the Portuguese Police and they have been been arrested for abandonment.

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In my opinion there is more to come from this sorry affair - how are Mr and Mrs McCann not behind bars??

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what happened was the British press kicked up such a fuss about 2 Britain's been detained by police in Portugal that the UK government got involved trying to garnish favor with the British public and applied pressure for then to be released

the British press and government pretty much destroyed any chance of them been brought to justice by annihilating the Portuguese investigation and their credibility

the parents literally became untouchable and toxic to any prosecution case without %100 slam dunk evidence

normally a parent or parents in these circumstances would be dragged in and interrogated properly but thanks to papers like the SUN and a government willing to do anything to garnish public approval poor Madelaine's murderers will never pay for their crime who ever they were

cough mum and dad cough did it cough

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The parents are as guilty as sin accyman they know exactly what happened to the poor little girl

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How things have changed way back when the unfortunate news of her abduction broke, I suggested that the parents where possibly to blame because they left her and others alone and was berated for being cold hearted, people changed their avatar to a yellow ribbon swearing they wouldn't change it back until the poor child was found.
Well, she's still missing, the parents can't change what it is they had done, I just hope other parents have learnt from this and won't leave their children vulnerable whilst on holiday.
Unfortunately in this world they always need protecting from evil folk.

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i said at the time they should be prosecuted, and the do-gooders didn't like it, but i'm used to that.

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I agree Cashman. Most parents enjoy holidays with their kids. Daytime spent on the beach and doing all the things kids love to do and maybe a drink or two after they are asleep but
within hearing of them. The McCanns put the children in a childrens club during the day while they went off water skiing amongst other things because they' worked long hours and deserved a holiday. ' thats according to their book about it all. Whatever the truth the parents have to live with their actions for the rest of their lives. I hope they never have a good nights sleep ever.

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When you go on holiday as a family, the children are part of that and should not be left alone . Especially in a place they are not familiar with.

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when you go on holiday as a family you dont take medication to frug your kids so they are out cold and go getting wasted with your mates

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No, your absolutely right mate, those (certain) modern parents you see round the town centres today would take their little darlings with them to get wasted too! :rolleyes:

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Ben Needham was missing for years long before Madelaine disappeared but his family never had the money from the government or the help from the police that the Mcanns have. There must be umpteen other families that feel very bitter at the unfairness when they have had no or very little help to find their loved ones. I know in recent years Ben's case has been relooked at and a new search was organised but no where near on the same scale .

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about 10 years back i went to spain and i kinda got the idea of what was waiting up stairs in the club when there was a row of prams with babies asleep in them downstairs in the reception area.

I kid you not these were new borns almost just dumped in prams out of sight and out of mind by british mothers and fathers

that was the one and only night we spent in the area we spent the rest of the holiday in barcelona about an hours train ride away

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Why anyone would take very young children abroad is beyond me. Toddlers love playing on a beach making sand castles and paddling and any beach will do for them. There are some beautiful places around Britain which are ideal for family holidays. In my opinion most couples who take kids abroad go for their own sakes, drinking mostly nothing to do with a family holiday. Selfish in the extreme.

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That is something we have ALWAYS thought, never took our kids abroad when they were kids, always went to camps in the U.K. were there were activities for em, even if weather was bad,when they started big school was first time we took ours they would be 12/13 ish, though if twas a bad day there was sod all for em, really we thought they needed to be a few years older.

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We never took ours abroad simple reason we could not afford to. We used to have 2 weeks down south. 6 or 7 years at a sea front hotel in Weymouth which they loved and still have very fond memories of being in the sea in a dinghy , skimming stones early morning and meeting friends who we had met while there. The water there is shallow for a long way out so very safe for children and the tide does not come in far so once we were plonked down that was it no moving for the tide. There were swing boats on the beach and trampolines and there was a Punch & Judy. perfect for kids. Ours still talk about their hols there. The last weekend of our holiday was usually Navy Day at Portland so we would get there after packing the car up and stay there all day leaving etfor home about 7.30pm. The kids would be asleep in no time so a quite drive home arriving just after midnight. Car straight into garage and unpack later that day. perfect.

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Our holidays when the children were young was Brixham and a few other places along the South coast - For a few years Gorleston, Happisburgh and Yarmouth and plenty of others on the Norfolk coast sufficed for day trips, a lot depended on leave rosters and money. When they were young they were never left alone at night, we took turns or hired a baby sitter, lucky that there were nearly always some young teenage girls on Married Quarters who liked the extra spending money for baby sitting. Theidea of giving them a good dose of Kalpol and leaving them alone - no way. Young children could awake for the least thing, tummy aches, a tooth ready to erupt, a bad dream, anything could wake them and then they needed the comfort of an adult. How someone came to the decision to fund this three ring circus I will never understand.

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Thing is Barrie, these were Medical People, not local numpties,so NO EXCUSE at all to me for what they did.:(

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I see that they have lost another court case in Portugal - where does the money come from to fund these court appeals?

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Probably from all the mugs that supported em?:rolleyes:

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There was a fund set up when it happened so maybe there is still enough to pay the court fees. Strange why they are so against the bloke publishing his book. If he is telling lies surely they could sue him for libel or is it because he is too near the truth for comfort?

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That fund was to find a missing girl not pay legal fees because the parents felt upset

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I see the police have asked for more money to continue this search. £11million has already been given towards it. If the parents want the search to continue surely it is time they spent their own money on it instead of the taxpayers . There must be dozens more children missing that have not had a halfpenny spend on their case. I for one think enough is enough.

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I have always been convinced its been funded like mad cos of who they are. God only knows what other parents of missing children think.?

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They have probably been forced to come to terms with their loss as best they can.
I still think it sad that the fate of a young girl was in the hands of the irresponsible.

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I think you are right Cashman. If it was a factory worker and a dustman they would not have had the money at all even though their child would be just as important to them. What bugs me most is that the parents of Madelaine were not that bothered about her on the night she disappeared or it would not have happened.

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Its very sad and the irresponsible are the parents who for me should have been prosecuted, for neglect.

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Here, Here !!!!

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for me thats where the problem started in the first place. they would not have got the constant publicity surrounding the case in the first place and all what has happened since. sad for any family that have lost a child but there is some self inflicted wounds surrounding the case which have never really been pushed forward by the media. if it had been a couple on benefits or lower paid jobs i wonder if a different slant would have been put on the case in the first place.

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Well if it had been a family on benefits the fault would have been placed firmly on the parents and they would most likely have been charged with neglect or abandonment. It is a classic case of who you know and not what you know. If there is one thing I hate above anything else it is rules for some and rules for others. There was certainly no where near as publicity or help given to the family of Ben Needham.

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We are only repeating what was said in the original thread,
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ann-30497.html

Whatever happened to the child was a preventable tragedy.

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I see the Government has sanctioned £154.000 to the fund for the police inquiry to continue up until March 2018. this is on top of the £11m already spent. The MET have been on this case since 2011 and have not come up with any significant evidence in the 6 years. If the McCanns want to continue the search they should fund it themselves not the taxpayers.

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It's a nice cushy job for the officers involved. I hope they are giving the same level of commitment to all missing children. I still think the parents are 100% to blame and they should be held accountable for their actions.

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Tony Bennett is still paying costs for the book he wrote

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Thought he was a singer not n author?:D

Re: Madeleine McCann
 

now your talking about a man with a voice. but maybe were going off topic.
here's a link to the Tony Bennett I was referring too. What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann? 60 reasons which suggest that she was not abducted

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Slowly working my way through the link, plenty to take in, however I wonder about how the parents weren't hung drawn and quartered by the press, plenty of other neglectful, can't be arsed leave them with a fiver disgusting parents have.

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A total of £12 million plus an extra £154,000 has been given to search for this child, this does not include the millions of pounds already spent on trying to find out where she is.
Good money after bad. If we have this amount of money to give away, then why are we not funding Home Care in the Community, which is failing badly.
My dad had Home Care in 2003, he only accepted it to help my mam, the Carer's did there best, but I can tell you it was not a good experience

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Here we go again !!!! Police have requested more money for their search. Last year in April they were granted £85,000 and then in Sept another £154,000. The funding was supposed to run out last March but these two grants take them to this March. I find it totally unacceptable that public money is being used on this case when only the other day families with seriously ill children were refused funding for vital drugs. If Madeleines parents want the search to continue they should fund it themselves somehow. It was reported in the press there is £750,000 in their Find Maddy Fund why is that not being used. It was their responsibility when she went missing and it their responsibility now to pay for the search. Enough is enough.

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Well said Rowlf. I’m with you all the way on that.

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I think most sensible people would agree 100% with that.

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Why were her parents never prosecuted?If ever there was a case of wilful neglect, this is it.If you or I had left their 3 year old child alone whilst we went out dining and drinking we would rightly have been found guilty of neglect and given a few years inside. Who is protecting this despicable couple from the punishment they rightly deserve? Instead of spending thousands of pounds on this futile search, why is there no enquiry into their culpable misdemeanours?Its not a question of what you know , it’s who you know, Who is protecting these horrible apologies of human beings?

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do not and never got this mccann business right from the start. spoke to plenty of others plus posters on here seem to feel the same. something just aint right and i do not think there would be a public outcry if they were prosicuted for the initial child neglect. joe and jane blogs from a council estate certainly would.

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More money needed for the inquiry squad to spend more time on the Iberian Peninsula, in the sunshine, top hotel no doubt and all expenses paid. How many policemen/women could that amount of money put on the beat.
They should have been charged with child neglect and any other charges that could be brought - all for the sake of a few pounds to pay for a baby sitter out of their substantial salaries.

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I agree with you Barrie about the police enjoying the time in Portugal. Our money should not be spent on jollies when children need vital drugs to keep them alive. The money in the fund they set up should be used not public money. As you say they could have afforded a baby sitter. Their jobs have had something to do with all this. If it was some couple who worked in Asda they would definitely not had all the help they have had.

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That is something i have always said, got stick by some on here fer saying it,a few years ago, like that bothers me.:D

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Well anyone in their right mind can see this for what it is. He is a surgeon and she is a GP you're not telling me they do not have contacts in places me and you would not have and that they have not used these to their advantage. Where has the £750,000 in the fund come from? Should that not be used for what it was intended? Does not seem fair to the people who donated it if it is not used for the search. There must be a lot of families who have had children go missing through no fault of their own and they must feel so angry that the same level of help has not been available to them. I know I would be fuming if it was me.

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think everyone would get the same help from the police at the start of the search , but lower down the pecking order you are there is less chance of it continuing like this case.

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I’m sure if I was in a similar position to the McCanns I would be using the money donated to try to find the daughter, that’s what it was donated for.
When that was Used I would then spend my own last penny to continue the search.
Unless the McCanns are afraid of what will finally be the answer.

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think the actual life of the little kid seems to have been lost in all the mccann talk.

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I don't think there has ever been a case that has caused so much debate. Lets not forget if it was one of our children I'm sure you all feel as I do that no stone would be left unturned and if there was a fund set up to aid the search then I would use that too. Having said that in all my years of parenting and grand parenting I can safely say I have never left a toddler and two babies alone in a locked room while I large it up around the pool with my wife and mates. As to what really happened well only Madeleine and the perpetrator/s know the answer to that. I have never understood why British Police are investigating a crime that occurred in another country. That's down to the Portugese Police. What it did do which was a good thing was raise the plight of other missing children abroad whose cases prior to this got little if no support, from the Police or government, I am thinking particularly of the little lad that went missing in Cyprus. Also if I remember correctly when they returned to the UK Madeleines parents were interviewed by social services but nothing happened because if I remember correctly they said what happened was outside their jurisdiction. Now lets be right two people left three children alone while they larged it up. One child vanishes. They come back to the UK and nothing. One thing I am sure of is that if the parents in question had been ordinary working class folk, there would have been no investigation abroad and social services would have taken any remaining children into care as the parents had demonstrated gross negligence in relation to their safety. As I said its highly debated topic and will always remain so with people polarised one way or the other as to who is responsible and what really happened.

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don,t think people are polarised by the mccanns. most i know feel sorry where the kid is concerned but have not much time for the parents saying stuff like you have put in your post.

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I think the whole McCann issue is a marmite thing. There is no middle ground. People stand on either one side or the other. Several years ago a friend of mine and I nearly came to blows over this because this for that very reason. Rest assured this will be being debated for decades to come long after most of us and dead and buried.

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and your right monkey hanger. At the end of the day we should never forget that a child is still missing.

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And that no charges have ever been brought against the parents for neglect

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Well I see the police have been granted yet another 6 months 'jolly' in Portugal with £150k
to spend. When on earth is this lunacy going to end ?

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It makes me wonder WHY? other children have gone missing oer the years, what must parents of anyone whose child has vanished think?

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Long sun drenched, long cold drink fuelled days, all paid for by you and me. Just wish I got long holidays like that. No wonder the investigation team want to keep it going - and we are short of police. What a joke, I don't think.

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After so long a case has to be reviewed by a senior officer to ensure all lines of enquiry are being followed and to make recommendations as to other lines to be explored and to review staffing levels budgets etc. I would like to know what these positive lines are? And also if the British Police are investigating this why have the Mcanns not been arrested and interviewed in relation to child neglect? After all if they had been parenting properly the simple fact is that whatever happened that night would not have happened in the first place.

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probably never get past the local papers and news. one kid went missing years ago from south yorkshire maybe in create. only ever hear about it on look north yorkshire.

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If, in UK a couple went out to the pub or a meal and left 3 very young children on their own in and unlocked house they would no doubt have been charged and the children taken into care. I have always wondered why the McCanns have never been charged?

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isn,t there actually a law stating the minimum age any child can be left without adult supervision. if not there used to be.

Re: Madeleine McCann
 

No MH, there is no law just an advisory statement.

https://www.gov.uk/law-on-leaving-your-child-home-alone

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Well there jolly well should be such a law. In any case leaving 3 young children alone
while parents go out enjoying themselves is neglect in my book !! Rules for some and rules for others. I hate that. I would like to know what the parents are doing with all the donations towards a search they received. Why should the taxpayer be funding it? There must be several families in this country who have had a child disappear .Goodness knows what they must feel like when all this public money is being spent on the one child. I know I would be furious.

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When we came home at the weekends (stationed in Sheffield), we would go to the Queens or the Stag in Church with my Mum & Dad on Saturday nights, but one of my wife, Mum or I (Dad did the occasional shift), would stay at home in Maden St, and we would do half hour shifts. No hardship at all - one hour in the pub and half an hour at home for the evening.

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Some people are just plain selfish. Only interested in themselves. It is like when a child drowns in a pool because parents are in the bar or where ever and then they blame the hotel because there was no lifeguard. Children are a parents responsibility ALL the time whether at home or on holiday.

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Have read in todays paper,a couple have been arrested in Majorca for leaving 2 children unsupervised aged 11 @ 4, whilst they went out drinking, nothing at all wrong with that in my view, Funny how no-one arrested the MCanns , its who yeh happen to be as far as i'm concerned Disgraceful.

Re: Madeleine McCann
 

I suspect you mean nothing wrong with them being arrested for neglecting underage children, have always said that poor child's parents should be brought before the law for similar neglect and yes it's strange or should that be irresponsible that they weren't?

Re: Madeleine McCann
 

To me Less its pretty simple, it depends who yeh happen to be in Society, its that simple.:(

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Yes, and how wrong it is, had they been ordinary folk this would have been done and dusted.

Parents, neglected child/children do not deserve forgiveness, why? The reason why is obvious. If parents get away with neglect other, parents with even less chances in life will think it's okay to ignore their responsibilities.
Children need to be cared for no matter what or where their parents come from a busy life is no excuse to party on down and leave the kids, there where enough members of that group for them to take shifts babysitting their own without missing much social life.

Re: Madeleine McCann
 

Well said. Bloody disgrace they haven't been locked up.

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think the majority agree, but cashy gives the reason above why they probebly have not.