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according to the advert if you hit a child at 30 mph theres an %80 chance it will live

these seem acceptable odds only leaving %20 of their own safety in their own hands

so with these figures why have lancashire county council decided to remove what were already annoying speedbumps along queens road west and replaced them with mountains

joking aside they are a tad excessive i was only doing 20 and it felt like i had hit a wall.Perhaps they guy who makes teh slopes for speedbumps was off that day ?

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I think they are more dangerous than not having them. Drivers are now concentrating on the lumps and trying to decide how to swerve all over the road to try and avoid them instead of looking what or who is coming towards them or trying to cross the road. It's the same in Audley Blackburn where they have them, the cars drive down the middle of the road trying to avoid the lumps.

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They will be worn out by Christmas anyway as usual !!

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That sums it up very well, i certainly try to avoid em H.B.C. sure will not pay fer any damage to our cars, They are far more dangerous cos me n many others try to avoid n whoever decided to install this stupidity is way too thick to see it.:rolleyes:

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I think they are trying to get cars off the road, Humps and those stupid bus stops that come out into the road and those pedestrian refuge islands, its soon going to be safer driving on the pavement.

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those at audly are dangerous period and boy do you know about it if you hit one.If however you manage to dodge the ones on queens road west you are greeted by giant potholes.Maybe instead of building mountains tehy should have filled holes first

way i see it is if its a 30mph zone a car should be able to go over a speedbump at 30mph without risk of damage to the driver or their car.If they want people to go slower drop the speed limit and stick speed a camera up. I do find it odd however that these so called safety cameras are installed just after traffic lights on whalley road yet not outside eithe rof the two schools moorhead or saint christophers.Its as though these "safety " cameras wernt been located for peoples safety but to make money.

perish teh thought

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they deliberatly put the bus stops protruding into the road as a traffic calming measure

basically hold up traffic and cause backlogs which has only led to idiots who dont want to give way when they should to drive on the wrong side of teh road to get past the bus.

kind of ironic how these traffic calming measures do teh exact opposite

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I could not agree more.

However the amount of times I see idiots doing exactly that with parked cars, Dill Hall Lane for example, makes my blood boil. To cap it all they don't even slow down and make nice gestures to you when you try to assert your right of way.

Traffic calming, more like road rage:mad:

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I agree. 20mph sign are growing like weeds but not in places you would expect like outside a school on what isn't a main road.

Make it 20mph and stick 2 speed cameras on each side just before the 2 schools should sort out speeding.

While they are at it, if they really do care about child safety they need to do something about the buses collecting children. Neither school should have been given planning permission to extend without building off road bus stops.
Stop planting trees on the land between the road and the schools and build off road bus stops!

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When LCC altered the end of the Dunkenhalgh way by-pass to a sharp blind corner with shrubbery they created an accident black spot. Almost every other day you can see, or see evidence of a smash on that awful idea yet nothing done about it not even clearing the greenery and trees. In fact they made visibility worse for drivers by adding a blind spot to the right as well as the left by sticking up a huge set of black and white arrows.

I don't know what their intention was because when travelling down that stretch of road it becomes clear very quickly that there's a huge roundabout and you ain't going through it.

The amount of money wasted on these 20mph signs must be staggering and its not as though its compulsory its a choice made by some halfwit somewhere up the ladder or chain in command of the "I HATE CARS" department. Surely there were other pressing matters that needed money and other areas seem to be getting along fine without 20mph road signs on streets no longer than 20 yards.

On Harvey street there is one of those mind your speed signs set to 20mph that like to try and tell you off by flashing at you for a stretch no longer than 100 yards and a 20mph sign to match it.The sign only ever works for a day at most because it can't handle the 50mph upwards readings and shuts down. Happen a good job it isn't facing the other way I've seen cars pulling at least 70 mph down Harvey street and they don't stop in case kids are coming out of the houses at Foxfields on their bikes either.

When I was a lad we were taught road safety its about time peoples safety was put back into their own hands and not reliant on a small circle with a number on it or a speed bump.

I'm not suggesting it should be a free for all but our roads and lamp posts are littered with so much information and squiggles of white paint or red tarmac it's a wonder anyone is concentrating on the actual driving part.

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outside saint johns school there is a 20mp limit set for when school is either finishing or starting.The rest of teh day it is 30mph unlike most of accrington that is 20mph 24 hours per day.

im begining to wonder how slow we have to go before it actually becomes teh pedestrians fault for not looking where they are going or their own stupidity.Some peopel seem to think it is tehir right to just step out infront of a moving car and dont seem to understand that metal breaks bone

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The 20 mph at either end of Harvey Street is stupid.

There are still a lot of 20 zones in Accy & Blackburn that are not enforceable because they don't meet the correct requirements for zones - usually they have no traffic calming preventing you travelling at more than 20mph

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theres a simple explination as to why blackburn has got just as bad and thats that after screwing up accrington the guy with no driving licence was transfered to blackburn to continue his terrible work.

i dont think i had ever seen a street that was 1/4 one way until they did exactly that to the road that has the rear entrance to accy vic on it.I should be able to remember its name it was on my paper round for 5 years and i grew up almost next to it lol

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Garden Street?

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yeah thats it lol

yet another example of LCC's finest moments

you would think not having a driving licence would be a big flashing warning light when it comes to employing someone to design a road system lol although im not sure the 1/4 one way street was his doing it seems idiotic thinking is handed down the line of command lol

if they must insist on 1 way on taht street at least make the area 1 way so theres less chance of problems arising.Owent street etc is a complete nightmare

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Too many sensible posts on this subject, makes one wonder why the road planners & police authorities who assess road safety cannot reach the same conclusions

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because they only give a damn about peoples safety when they can make 60 quid out of it

not one speed camera outside either moorhead or saint christophers and its a 30mph zone indicated by teh smiley face sign thanking you for doing 30 or under yet how many places do we see speed cameras in irrelivant places or mobile speed units parked at places guarenteed to drum up cash and points

just been sat at a green light on dill hall lane waiting for all teh cars to finish shooting through their red light which to me is a more important issue than sticking a speed trap unit over the top hills

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Neil......you talk good common sense, but planners do not have this perspective......which is a shame. These measures would do more to ensure child safety than all the 20MPH signs in the world.

After all, if these speed limits are not enforced,(which they don't appear to be) then they are no better than doing nothing.

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Nail, head...hit! Spot on.
Drivers are seen as a source of endless revenue......to be taken in any way that is possible.

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the 80% child will live slogan is emotional blackmail and not based on stats.

until road planners and the pyscho pressure group brake accept the evidence that speed is not the major cause then maybe, just maybe the nation's approach to road safety may be more joined up.

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I think its the same problem that its always been accybeme, the people who make the decisions don't live anywhere near Hyndburn and it doesn't affect them or their families.:(

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id say the most common cause of pedestrians getting hit by cars is their own negligence.

we should have jaywalking laws like america and put some of teh resposabilty for personal safety back onto the person who wishes to remain safe

if speed really was the be all and end all and government did really give a damn we wouldnt have cars capable of doing 160mph and more.They would be restricted by law like in china where your car is limited via sattelite until you take it to a race track

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If the Muppets in the EU get their way ......... :mad:

EU plans to fit all cars with speed limiters - Telegraph

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I wonder if the 'Green Brigade' have realized that all these cars pottering along at 20MPH will be burning fuel at a great rate? Mine won't even change into 3rd until 30mph and I would imagine even manuals will be happier in 2nd.
Fuel bills will soar, pollution will soar.
The 80% of the kids who survive being knocked down will still die- of the fumes!

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as rick jervais said

hit a child at 30 and theres an %80 chance it will live

hit a child at 40 and theres an %80 chance it will die

encouraging gambleing

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The other way to make that road safer would be to put railings up outside the schools and a couple of crossings with lights on. They don't appear to like doing that any more though.

My primary school - yes it is still there and hasn't fallen down yet - had railings outside it from the car park to the school and along a stretch of footpath opposite so you couldn't step into the road and is on a 30mph road. It's opposite the Foxfields and Mytton Fold.

Here is a link if it works https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=bb6...,,0,29.92&z=21

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we used to get taught road safety at school and had weekly lessons which were basically the tufty club.We also had teh green cross code man but adverts advising children have but all dissappeared and now a new tactic of emotional blackmail is been used towards drivers

what government dont realise is that if kids are running out willy nilly into the road and acting daft theres no amount of pre loaded guilt that is going to help a driver avoid them only sheer luck.

drivers are far too occupied looking at their speedo when approaching a camera, keeping an eye out for mobile speed traps and trying to make head from tail of all the road signs , looking out for potholes and exessive road markings to be worrying about what might be acting like a pratt near the roads edge.

Oh and whoever started this trend of putting zebra crossings at roundabout exits needs shooting in the head they should be a lot further down the road they only serve to cause accidents especially at rush hour

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Actually I was wrong there- checked it today- into 3rd at 20, into 4th at 30.
It still will be guzzling at 20!

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i have a 2 litre diesil and get much better fuel economy at *** mph than at 20

take *** to mean what you will but its somewhere between 0mph and 165mph :)

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was driving down harvey street today and couldnt help wonder why it is 20mph for 100 yards past the garage,spray shop and tyre place then inreased to a 30mphz zone past the playing fields on either side of teh road where children play football and events for children are held.

can hardly claim they put 20mph zones up for child safety if thats how they think lol

mind you the 20mph or 30mph zones havnt stopped folk doing speeds of around 70 down harvey street in their saubrus and saxo's etc although quite often you can see people doing the same who you wuold think would know better with children in their car doing just as much speed as the most enthusiastic boy racer

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We was oer Harvey St,early yesterday afternoon, Thought i was at Silverstone.:eek:

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Maybe the garage, spray shop and tyre place complained that they could not work safely on the footpath and road while they cause an obstruction themselves.

Have you seen the piles of tyres they have stuck half blocking the footpath advertising themselves?

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Problem with this is that jaywalking laws are rarely enforced; coppers just can't be bothered getting their donut fueled fat asses out of their patrol cars.

We are getting more and more of these speed humps (I always thought speed humping was something one did if her husband was due home soon:confused:), but the city seems to be doing a good job of constructing them. If they put them on a 40 klick limit street, you can take them at around 45, no problem. They are usually placed in areas where "concerned citizens" (assholes with too much free time on their hands) kick up a fuss. And you can't navigate around them, they go from sidewalk (pavement;)) to sidewalk.

And talking of pedestrians ... the new kid on the block seems to be "distracted walking". Kids at Holy Cross High School have produced a number of ads alerting young people (the main offenders) to the dangers of distracted walking.

CKWSTV.com - Giving you more Online! Headline: Highschool PSA Assignment Hoping to Save Lives. Kingston News

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Na cashy Silverstone is the one which goes past my kitchen window:D

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cars parked 3 accross at the junction so they can chat to each other is another nice trick they like to do and the filthy angry looks you get if you dare show indication that your waiting for them to get off the wrong side of the road so you can pass

the lad who runs the wash place is decent its just some of his customers are complete dicks but who am i to object to the world standing still so that someone can say hi to a friend whos getting his car cleaned

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The guy who runs it must be a bit dim, if he lets em block the road, good way to lose business.

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i wouldnt say its the oners fault i use him and when i leave my car he parks it out of teh way while it waits for me to collect it.Problims arise when customers friends start pulling up to watch whats going on and have a chat in the middle of the road

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I was invited to comment on a rush-hour 20mph proposal near my house. I said it didn't matter to me, as I never cross at school time, and as I live there, I'm always under 20mph anyway as I'm either arriving or leaving. However I know there are about two-dozen kids cross the road outside my house, so extending it an extra 20 yards or so would benefit them, too.

The response I got was that drivers would ignore it if it's that much longer. I decided not to waste my breath - it's obvious the consultation is a formality and they didn't actually expect anyone to have an opinion.

And just so they know for next time - drivers are ignoring it at its current length anyway.

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They drive down our street ( which is a 20 mph zone) at speed to see how high they can fly over the speed humps

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I would mate, if twas my business i certainly would be asking em not to block the road.

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And then complain when their exhaust pipe drops off:D