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why o why are we making british workers redundant and then buy ships from korea:confused: you couldnt make it up.. Navy buys Korean to keep its ships fuelled: £452m contract for four tankers goes to the Far East | Mail Online

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"If it wasn't for the nips being so good at building ships, the yards would still be open on the Clyde.":D

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Seems there are things in the article that you skipped over. No British company submitted a final bid on the contract. All British warships will still be built in Britain. A question you might ask yourself is: Would a "new" Labor government have done it any different? I don't be thinking so.

Just done a quick check; seems like all new ships for the Royal Canadian Navy will be built in Canada ... of course, we rely on canoes and kayaks:;)


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gordon brown did it, building ships in britain;)

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there is no more warships being built due to the tory cuts;) no british company probably didnt get to know about the order till the tories stitched it up for their mates;)

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You must have cut and paste proof of this somewhere in your repertoire.

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Aye, that'll be the ongoing shambles of the Queen Elizabeth class carriers. As to why we can't build our own, be they Royal or Merchant Navy, probably to do with over expensive, slow & staggered production, ever spiralling prices. So to avoid that they (the Government ours & others) look else where.

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Don't talk so daft, how could they keep it quiet about new warships without British Companies finding out. Who wired your brain together.

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Walter he doesn't have a brain he's Scottish :rolleyes:

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Cost.
Korean Daewoo- £452million.
Italian Fincantieri-£675 million.
UK shipyards- no final quotes, so no chance of a contract!
The Italians would have shared 35% of the building of just one of the ships with BAE. Being BAE even that would probably have had massive delays and cost over-runs.
Incidentally, we'll probably be buying at least 3 more ships off Daewoo.

Cost. The same reason we buy Chinese white goods, clothes and nearly everything else we need.

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bae only take on work with no fixed price like the submarines and aircraft carrier shambles that have no planes that can be used on them.clever people politicians much like those that run the clown halls.

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When we were over in the UK last year (after 55 years away) and visited the Clyde, it was depressing to note how the ship-building industry had virtually left that area. Over the years this must have affected a huge number of families.

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Hmm...you buy a fridge for £100 and it don't work 12 months later..you don't worry too much, you buy another...you buy a brand new car, it's underpowered, it's a rattletrap with poor cornering, cruddy fuel consumption and has the dashboard equivalent of a 1970 Ford Cortina, but it gets you from A to B, that's ok too, until you try to upgrade and trade in.

You buy a warship, it leaks, it's shoddy and it's so underpowered that it can't keep up with a Somali pirate vessel...major problem...the tories have googled 'cheap warship for sale'

Daewoo..jack of all trades master of none!

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Like this lot, you mean?:D:D

Firefighters will strike again on 13 November and hold new ballot for further forms of industrial action | Fire Brigades Union

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Or trade union leader's who are only interested in bringing this country to its knees according to the TWGU.

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Politicians are better at it.:rolleyes:

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are you totally politically inept ? do you know the reasons ? they are going on strike because in the tories scummy way of thinking they think its alright to throw people who put their own lifes on the line on the scrap heap. firemen have a 60% more risk of catching cancer ,breathing diseases etc .the tories are trying to steal their pensions, privatize the fire service put the public in danger by closing fire stations. most firemen are going to lose their pensions now because if they dont work on till they are 66 they wont get their pension. you are totally out of your depth jaysay;) you havent got a clue what this scummy tory party are doing.

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Who rattled your cage

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Its you who are totally out of your depth, or do you not listen to anything union leaders say they take their members for a real ride, example where would a thick numpty like Bob Crow earn £150,000 a year plus in the real world, the second thicky to appear on "Have I got news for you" behind a tub of lard

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im not talking about bob crowe im talking about the firemen who are being stitched up. I would like a fireman who was fit enough to try and save a life, I would like the firemen who have gave up their health, risked their life to have a decent standard of living after they have been pensioned off ,lost limbs ,caught cancer . I would like the husbands,, wives sons and daughters who have lost a parent because they gave their life for somebodies else to be looked after in a decent way. the tories don't.... I hear they say there is no money as ive said right from the beginning we don't owe any more than we usually do its ideology driven. Video: Former wren hands Sir Nick Harvey expenses envelope at Remembrance Parade - News - North Devon Gazette

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Your the biggest bigot that comes on here, labour couldn't run a pee up at a brewery as they prove every time they leave, no every time they are kicked out of office with the economy on its knees, when they were running this country into the dirt you never said one word against them, you only ever bothered about a dog stabber

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your nuts :eek: this has nothing to do with bo crow this is about public and fire men and womens safety. the economy on its knees ha ha 1997 nearly 3 million unemployed probably more as they put everybody on the sick. 2009 unemployment coming down 2012 back up to 3 million and class 16 hours a week fulltime employment your mental :D

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Unemployment is again falling and the economy is growing faster than most European economies, and that is according to the Bank of England, not the Beano and Dandy where your information usually comes from;)

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showing you are truly nuts lol the uk has always had a stronger economy than most of europe. why havent they raised interest rates if the uk improved as they are implying. unemployment down ha ha they class people on the work programmes as employed they class full time work 16 hours a week. 10 600 people died after they were told they were fit for work . hopefully you dont need to got atos and found fit for work;) they dont even pay corporation tax and have took billions of taxpayers cash. how come they dont do seasonally adjusted figures anymore as thousand are took on for christmas as was historically part time work that is now classed as fulltime . ha ha

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If you are on workfarce then you are still getting unemployment benifit, you havn't got a job but your classed as working, thats fiddling the figures not getting people into work.

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Maybe if Blair and Brown hadn't opened the floodgates and let a hoards from Poland ect. into the country when they joined the EU things may have been a lot better on the jobs front, one aspect that they have apologizing for doing only today, no doubt we'll be getting more and more apologies about the tin pot way they tried and failed to run this country

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an answer from a firefighter i despair firefighters having to defend themselves from the tory numpties to be polite and right wing press sorry for cut and paste but the truth has to be told as the tories are in full propaganda mode and trying to hide the truth...
Dear Daily Mail/ Express/ Star reader,

I have read with interest some of your views regarding the current dispute between the Fire Brigade Union and the Government. I just thought I would correct a few misconceptions about the dispute and the role of a modern day firefighter. (I know you like to call us firemen but since I joined in 1986 the official term has been firefighter which more accurately reflects the diverse workforce we now have and recognises the many great women firefighters we now have in the job)

Where to start? How about the lefty loonies running the FBU?

Contrary to popular belief, Matt Wrack and the executive council are not out to spread communism throughout the world, neither do they sacrifice puppies at union meetings. (I believe it's Bob Crow and the RMT who do this!)
They are the legally elected leaders of a totally legal and upfront trade union who are simply following their members wishes and trying to protect the members terms and conditions. Come to think of it, they were elected by the people they are representing unlike this government who would not be in power without the need to form a coalition with the lib dems.

How about this old chestnut? Firemen shouldn't be allowed to strike!

Well despite what you think, I don't know one firefighter who really likes to be on strike. We have gone through a legal process and now feel that the only alternative we have is to withdraw our labour.
There is nothing illegal about this, we live in a democracy. Get over it!

Policemen aren't allowed to strike!

No they are not and look how royally shafted they have been.

You all complain about the police under performing but they do their best, despite having budgets slashed, paperwork increased and the constant interference from politicians. Perhaps if police officers were allowed to protest about what the government is doing to what was once regarded as the best police force in the world, then you would get a police officer when you needed them.

The Army aren't allowed to strike!
No they are not.

They are a military organisation, the fire service is a civilian organisation.
The army also have a tradition where senior officers will try to treat soldiers fairly and with the welfare of their troops being paramount.
Unfortunately governments also used to treat the military with respect but this does not appear to be the case anymore.

Firemen all have second jobs!

Correction, some firefighters do take on extra work to make ends meet. They are allowed to. You are allowed to do this as well if you get off your bum and work bloody hard.
There are limitations on what they can and what they cannot do.
Any part time work should not interfere with their performance as a firefighter and there are rules which means that anyone who infringes this is disciplined.

Good job no politician, business man, banker or sportsman has a second job eh?! Only the greedy firemen.

They are complaining that they have to work till 60!

Well actually, that's not quite true.
The increased working age was agreed several years ago. What they are rightly worried about is the chance that as they get older they may not be fit enough to stay operational and will be sacked.
They will try and keep fit but old age gets to us all. New fitness targets have been set at a ludicrously high level for a 55 year old.

If they can't be firefighters let them do another job in the fire service!
Great idea, think about all that experience which could be used to train people, to give advice, to make people safer!

Oh dear, sorry, that ain't going to happen.
There are NO other jobs anymore.
In London training has been privatised, fire safety teams have been decimated and jobs are being lost in headquarters all the time because of austerity measures.
No other jobs! Nil, nada, zilch, zero!

But the government say they don't think anyone is going to be left with no job, no pension? Correct, but the people who are supposed to give these elderly firefighters jobs, the fire authorities, say that they can not guarantee that and the chances are that people will be stuck on the scrap heap at 55 when they are sacked.

Firemen are Given a great pension!
Firefighters contribute to their pension scheme from the moment they join.
They are not just given it for nothing.
When I joined in 1986, it was compulsory that I joined and since then I had to pay 11% of my salary into the pension fund.
I now have to pay over 12% and this may be going up to 15% within the next couple of years. I pay nearly £500 per month into the fund. I signed a contract which guaranteed me a set amount when I retired. I stuck to my side of the bargain, unfortunately the government haven't stuck to their side of the deal.
If I had known that the government was going to do this perhaps I could have invested my money in something else?

Firefighting is not dangerous any more!
Yes it is.
Entering a compartment where temperatures at ceiling level are over 900 degrees is dangerous. Add in collapsing structures, cylinders, hazardous materials and a multitude of other dangers, then you may realise that firefighting can be very risky. Firefighters, have, do and will continue to be seriously injured or killed whilst firefighting.

Firemen spend all day long playing snooker and darts!

Correct, absolutely true in the 1970's.
However nowadays a firefighters daily routine has changed beyond recognition to what it used to be.
I can only speak about London where a modern firefighters duties are closely monitored by various electronic systems.
Pop into a station and ask to see an individual training record or the station diary.
All these systems can be remotely monitored so any watch manager running a watch will soon be hauled over the coals if they are not meeting targets or their firefighters are not doing anything.

There are less fires nowadays so we don't need as many firemen.

Well that's great news, less fires should be something to be applauded.
The sad fact is that there are always going to be fires and when they start they have the potential to grow large very quickly.
If you want to have any chance of saving lives and minimising damage to property you need the brigade to arrive very quickly.

There are hundreds of people who want to join the fire brigade, sack the lot of the militant firemen and replace them with cheaper people who aren't going to go on strike all the time!

Yes you could do this but just because people want to join it doesn't mean that everyone is able to do it.

You may not believe it but sitting in fire station near you as you read this is a team of highly skilled, committed, dedicated and talented people who are ready to risk their lives for you at the drop of a hat.

These are just a few of the usual comments firefighters have to read in your lovely newspapers so I hope I have made you think just a little bit deeper past the spin and lies.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, sorry to have disturbed you, you can now get back to hating foreigners, benefit scroungers and homosexualists!

Yours respectfully

A London firefighter
7 hours ago




Beci Newton I would add that despite fire numbers dropping...firefighters now attend more RTCs, technical rescues, flooding, animal rescue etc etc etc.

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Do you have to be a prat all your life, why take up web space with crap you know nobody will read, divvy

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I bet you read it.:D:D:rolleyes:

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I read it. :D:D

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When discussing unions, don't forget to consider why unions came into being, and why they are still necessary, as are health and safety regulations (unfortunately carried to ridiculous extremes by politically correct governments). If the leaders of big companies, tories to a man (or woman) were not such mean-spirited, hard-hearted, grasping, greedy sonsabitches just as unwilling to pay taxes as they are to pay a decent, living wage, unions would not have to be so active. Of course, many companies move their production overseas ... Bangladesh comes to mind; pity those poor sods who work in the fire traps for $40.00 a month ... further hurting the British (and American, and Canadian) economy. And they blame the unions for something they would have done anyway in order to fill out their already bloated bank accounts.

By the way, Canada's new naval shipbuilding programme is very costly. But the ships will be built in Canadian yards. Local and Provincial economies will benefit. Well-paid workers will pay Federal and Provincial tax on what they earn. They will spend most of what they earn in Canada. So, what seems like an expensive proposition is actually a boost to the economy.

CBC News - Interactive: Shipbuilding

By the way Jaysay ... what are these Polish "hoards" you are talking about:confused: Are the Poles bringing massive amounts of their money into the country? If so, they should be welcomed with open arms.:rolleyes:

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Tick tock the clocks ticking

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another knuckle head:p

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Doesn't this belong in the Motor Sports section:confused: ... along with flat head, pan head and shovel head?

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In today's Gruanidad Eric :)
:)

Jack Straw, migrants from eastern Europe have done a lot for Britain | UK news | The Guardian

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Alan ... is this really you?


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And this is what is wrong with this politics of this country.

C'mon is right..the firefighters are being stitched up, who in their right mind expects a bloke of 50+ to be able to scale a ladder, put out a fire and chuck a 14 stone woman over his shoulder on the descent? Oh wait..Cameron does!!! He hasn't got the dodgy knee or the iffy back that the rest of us 50+ know comes with age!!

Whats the response from our tory diehards?....13 years of labour rule and they screwed up!....well hey ho...yes they did! and now Cameron is screwing up even more, can't you dyed in the wool tories see that?

Then we have the Guarniad byline from none other than the straw man himself, the labour politician who doesn't even know the definition of labour, the Blairite lickspittle who did everything in his power to..do absolutely nothing throughout his tenure except keep his head down! Banging on about the East Europeans doing 'a lot' for Britain....%

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i despair:( how can anybody defend this stitch up:confused: this is a damming state of affairs of british politics. people who condone this stitch up are no more better than the so called politicians who thought of this . the upper classes who are laughing their heads off. only yesterday david cameron done a speech in his own tops and tails telling people there is no money when taxpayers paid for him and his mates to have banquet . lets hope nobody has to rely on a 58 year old firefighter trying his best but its not good enough.

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when all else fail lets bring in the immigrants so predictable its laughable;) how about a debate why the tories hate what was good about britain. ie royal mail integrated transport system british telecom the utilities the fire brigade the police etc they really are the enemy from within.

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Not me Eric. Not Into American Iron, to agricultural for me!! :eek::eek::eek::D:D

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[QUOTE=Guinness;1083875]And this is what is wrong with this politics of this country.

C'mon is right..the firefighters are being stitched up, who in their right mind expects a bloke of 50+ to be able to scale a ladder, put out a fire and chuck a 14 stone woman over his shoulder on the descent? Oh wait..Cameron does!!! He hasn't got the dodgy knee or the iffy back that the rest of us 50+ know comes with age!!

Whats the response from our tory diehards?....13 years of labour rule and they screwed up!....well hey ho...yes they did! and now Cameron is screwing up even more, can't you dyed in the wool tories see that?

Then we have the Guarniad byline from none other than the straw man himself, the labour politician who doesn't even know the definition of labour, the Blairite lickspittle who did everything in his power to..do absolutely nothing throughout his tenure except keep his head down! Banging on about the East Europeans doing %2

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Agricultural!!!!!!!!! What's an old fart like me supposed to ride ... a Hayabusa:eek: Still, I do prefer the pan to the knuckle ... sexier.;)

To get more or less back on topic, if you read the mag, "American Iron" you will see ads for lots of stuff Made in America, they are really pushing it ... and I think we can apply that drive to buy national to the shipbuilding industry. The cost of the finished product is not all that important. What should be taken into account is how does one best help domestic industry and the national economy ... by buying Korean, or by building the ships in Britain (probably at a higher final cost) and creating jobs for British workers. These workers will pay tax, buy homes, buy cars etc., etc. It's simple economics ... and common sense.

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OK something is seriously wrong here! I've posted twice now and the content has been altered without explanation...it makes my posts look stupid and screws with the thread...i know my second post was accepted because I adjusted the spelling, stop screwing around if you dont want me to post just ban me...

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Thats the problem Eric. Economics and common sense, none of which the present incumbants seem to posses. :D:D:D

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under orders from tory hq;)

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Well hush my mouth :rolleyes:

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Strange that Guinness can't say I've ever noticed that on any of my posts, and I've been a member 8 years, just what was altered:confused:

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you really a divvy

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your really dissillusioned .name one good thing the tories have done for britain:confused:

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Nowt to do with Jack Straws byeline Grimace
more to do with University College's study...

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kick Labour out of power before they destroy the economy, labour are clueless at running the economy always have been always will be;)

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what is david cameron doing in sri lanka ?

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i know all this smokescreen about human rights .a top tory donor has links to the sri lankan regime surprise surprise . http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...ef=uk-business

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There's a commonwealth conference there

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Removed Brown and the Blairites from power:rolleyes:

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but they didnt, it was a coalition;)

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A minor detail really .......... much like most of the stuff you tend to present C'mon! ;)

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our ed will be in power in 2015;)

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Here we go again.:rolleyes: This brings to mind a parliamentary debate ... September 2, 1939; and I trust that there are those of us who know what was going on around that time;). When, in the absence of Clement Atlee, Arthur Greenwood got on his hind legs and announced that he was speaking for Labour, Leo Amery yelled across the floor of the House of Commons: "Speak for England." Unfortunately, none of the mainstream leaders over there seem to be doing this,especially when it comes to the EU. (I read that even Europe's economic power house, the Fourth Reich, is posting very disappointing numbers for economic growth.)

Altho' I'm not all that well-read about UKIP, it does seem as if Nigel Farage is the only one speaking out for the UK. And, come to think of it, John Major. Sad, when the voices speaking out come from the fringe, and from out of retirement. Appears to me that democracy is going thru a crisis, and not only over there. Too much ideology ... not enough common sense. Too much plowing ahead with questionable policies .... not enough listening to what the people want. Democracy has become little more than a sacred bovine ... and all that comes out of the world's parliaments is bovine feces.

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Does that include the aircraft carrier being built at the moment?

Or what about the 20 planned Type 26 vessels that are planned to be built in the UK - read about it here, you will like it as it talks about Scotland and independance BBC News - Row over UK warships work on Clyde post-referendum

This link mentions future ships planned to be built http://www.navalshipbuilding.co.uk/n...me.asp?ID=HOM7

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With a great deal of luck the Scots will trust their First Minister and vote for independence - then we will see the building of ships for the Royal Navy in English shipyards, plus lots of other benefits when we get rid of the sponging Scots.