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This appeared on Face Book under Hyndburn Chat, below is my responce.

There is just TWO things wrong with this banner, both those groups of men are CHORLEY COY THEY NEVER CONSIDERED THEMSELVES AS ACCRINGTON PALS, JUST AS BURNLEY COY NEVER DID. I CAN NAME 14 of the MEN in that group next to Rickman. ALSO 584 KILLED AND WOUNDED is WAY OFF. THIS IS THE SORT OF DISPLAY YOU GET WHEN YOU LET AMATEURS BECOME INVOLVED.
The people of Chorley will be laughing their socks of

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It is rather disrespectful to the memories of the fallen, I wonder what our resident MP and Councilors will make of it, if anything

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There is supposed to be a committee set up to organise all this, I don't think our resident MP is involved in it, and only a couple of councillors.

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the public are politically and social ignorant ,so they wont notice a thing;)

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Excuse me? Is Retlaw not part of the public? He's noticed, if the Council are going to do something, they should at least do it right.

Or else leave it alone.

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really .... the next time you stand for election please tell us cmon ..that way we can vote for someone else ...

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And this from "Oor Wullie" :)

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Speak for yourself!

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He was.:D

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Not surprising really ... we live in a world where Duck Dynasty is reality, Lady Gaga is a singer, a politician's image is more important than his substance, and tweeting is social contact:rolleyes: Y'all could probably think of more. Historical accuracy doesn't matter to most folks. As long as the banner is big, glitzy, and has pics of soldiers in period uniforms it will pass muster. C'mon was a little off in his comment, but one has to admit that folks won't care as long as it looks good.:mad: Sad.

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I believe a committee with a couple of councillors are sorting out the commemorations and the photos came from respected member of the committee.

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but if the photos are wrong they are wrong no matter how respected the provider of them is or am i missing the point?

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Perhaps respected by people who know less than the provider? lifes full of those.:rolleyes:

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Then perhaps another committee needs to be set up of disrespected perfectionists and assigned to the job of quality control of all other Council 'Committees'?
Whatever happened to the concept of:-

If a jobs worth doing it's worth doing well.

Less awaits a reply, telling him that 95% of Hyndburns Electorate don't understand or care how a committee works and that if we take the results so far, the said committee are doing an excellent job of wasting the limited resources at their disposal.
Well all I can say is I respect Retlaw's knowledge of the subject far more than any committee doing a half ass job.

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Thats it in a nutshell, one who has spent many years researching n working on this issue, is FAR more knowledgeable on the subject,than one who perhaps does things cos they happen to be fashionable n gain brownie points?? Perhaps brownie points only count if they are from people who know nowt or know very little? But their position in life makes em deny things.:D;)

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Did no one ever ask you for any input Retlaw ? Your obviously very knowledgable in this area. You would think people would ask the experts ?

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There's a thread somewhere I suspect one of the 'respected' members of this committee made a post tearing a strip off AccyWebbers for not 'respecting' people that give their time for nowt.
Perhaps it's time she came back and respected us with an explanation of how well the job isn't going?
Retlaw did have a few things to say about this committee in that thread.
:)

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Being respected doesn't automatically bestow knowledge of a particular subject! So, would you take your car to be repaired by this respected personage or would you go the garage? I know what I'd do.

Common sense dictates that if you want it done right, you speak to someone who knows what they're all about, not difficult really.

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The problem is, once elected, common sense seems to disappear, along with ethics, morals etc....:eek:

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In the words of a renown American brewing giant .... True!

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Fortunately it's only a draft banner, and hopefully will be rectified after Retlaw's knowledgeable intervention.

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I for one will not be holding my breath

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A draft needs to be as accurate as possible, mistakes have a tendency of being repeated if a slapdash attitude is used from the outset of any project.

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i saw on a newsagents board that its made the press

who wants to bet next week there will be a story of those who messed up seeking praise for correcting tehir own mistake lol

you know when officials say look how well we dealt with making this right instead of saying sorry we screwed up

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That's still inexcusable.

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So you were still half right. And they were half wrong! Sloppy of the 'respected member'.

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heres the link the lancs telegraph story ...

Row erupts over Accrington Pals banner (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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Half right or half wrong it was a mistake I made, I have over 1000 pictures in this computer relating to Accrington Pals and Greater Accrington Men & Women who served in WW1, I defy any one to keep track of them all just from memory. One other thing as my father used to say "him as clains he's never made a mistake has never done owt".

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So Miles dont know it all either.:D

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The only connection to that committee is thro my daughter, if I attended they would bring the police in to eject me, I am too out spoken to put up with some of the tripe dressers they have on that committee, apart from what they've read in Bill Turners books (if they have read them or just gone on the internet) they have very little knowledge of the events leading up to and during WW1, and during that war.
Without Bill Turners years of research into the Accrington Pals, none of these events would be taking place.
Bill Turner and I did a commemoration to the 90th anniversary of the Accrington Pals in 2006, NO Committee, NO working parties, Just Bill and I with the help of the curator of the Haworth Art Gallery.
If Bill was still alive he would have sorted this lot out in no time.

Sadly Bill died on July 5th 2007, 91 years to the date the Pals were relieved from the trenches after the battle of the Somme.

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Perhaps I wasn't clear with what I said. Councillors have taken a back seat. The public are running the committee and arrangements. Some times you're too clever by half!

As was reported in the Observer, Ruth Turner was the person who chose the photos, the wife of the great late local historian Bill Turner for whom we have a lot to thank for his work. (As well as Walter and Andrew Jackson amongst others).

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There is no mention of Councillors taking a back seat in your original post. There is no mention of the general public either. I have copied it above for you.
So no you were not very clear

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It's just his way of politically back peddling and putting some distance between himself and the Councillors from responsibility for mistakes.
He has put that were it belongs, squarely onto the shoulders of the volunteers.
They don't have votes that need looking after.

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My 'couple of councillors' was a response to a suggestion that committee = council committee.

Less; what a silly response (but predictable LOL). No one on it thinks that. Your mind has run away with your prejudice.

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Well I do feel honoured, it's been such a long time since you responded to my posts, but then I suppose that's because I'm in your 95% of Hyndburn voters that can't be trusted with any form of referendum.
A silly response? Of course it was, that was all it deserved, prejudiced? No not at all, I dislike all forms of incompetence not just this particular committees. (I'm being inclusive here, both your and my own natural traits of having perfected this talent should never be ignored).

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Look Less. My efforts are towards making Hyndburn a better place. Not get wrapped up in the personal bollocks.

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Order. Order.

The Honorable Member for Hyndburn must refrain from using language he wouldn't use in the House!

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A dignified response would have been not to respond in such a manner.

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A dignified response would have been to not respond at all.

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Oh deary me, my MP is upset with me, well that's ok I don't mind.
I believe you Graham when you say you want to make Hyndburn better.
I also think you meant it when you said 95% of us can't be trusted with a referendum, consider this though, if by the same token we aren't competent enough to do that, then 95% of us that bother to vote aren't competent enough to choose the right man when voting either.
Now, perhaps you should stop making personal posts to me and get back to generalising to the masses.
After all, it wouldn't do your political image any good to be seen losing an open argument to a fool that only posts in a silly fashion, now would it?

But may I remind you that it was you that started talking personal bollocks with me.
:)

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Well that's alright then, because they all talk Bollox in the House. :)

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Hey diddle diddle ... is that anything like the dish running away with the spoon:confused: Maybe you meant to say "Your prejudice has run away with your mind?" Yes, that's better.;) Perhaps you should hold off on your insults until they make more sense.:rolleyes: Good thing is, from your point of view anyway, now that Less's mind has absconded, he might just vote for you.

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Just expressive Anglo Saxon (Glitterbest v The Crown, 1977) but certainly not intemperate. Just everyday language and importantly to the point.

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To which point?
All you did was show yourself up, even one so dumb as I can see there is no point in you doing that deliberately, you usually manage quite by accident.
No real purpose served by stating some court case, you've already proved your links to the common man by resorting to using such language on an open forum.
I don't mind, it's everyday language for we the great unwashed, I can't see it impressing the thinkers amongst your followers, party members or constituents though.
;)

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Everyday language for whom?
Perhaps that is why society in general is in such a sorry state.
People think it is alright to use language that is more appropriate to a tap room.
It is only everyday language to some people.....and then only because no one is ever challenged about being a gutter mouth.

Still, it is a case of 'you can take the man out of Accrington, but you can't take Accrington out of the man'......and this says much for our town and what it has become.

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Let me make one thing clear, when those pictures were chosen from the William Turner collection they were on my notebook and they were chosen by their collection number, all I did was transfer those pictures to another file without really looking at them, they were then printed out 6 to a page, it was only when I saw the proposed banner layout that I realised that a group of Chorley Coy were on it. I contacted my daughter and told her what had happened, and with the aid of Miles Parkinson she had it corrected.
Just one other thing, please don't link my name on the same page as jackson.
Now let the matter drop, there is no need for all this argy bargy.

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Mmmm ... I have to think about that one:confused: And which "everyday language" are you talking about? The everyday language of Oxford Dons, or that of Glaswegian dockers? Everyday language and its companion "Standard English" don't exist.

Here follows the everyday language of politicians:


Biden Drops F-Bomb at Historic Signing - New York Post - YouTube

;):D

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Why ANY committee discussing the Accrington Pals would even consider a plan or motion without the council of Walter defies belief.
He is the default living authority on the subject, gathered from decades of respectful research.
I hope the town finds some way of honoring his work (and the fallen) by embracing his dedication and making his files the de facto reference on the Pals, finally getting the story straight as we move towards the 100th anniversary of the tragedy of Serre in 2016.

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Nah they don't need me, they already have some x spurts on that committe one or two may have even read Bills books on the Pals, one of them can tell some fantastic stories related to him by his uncle, who died before the x spurt had even reached his teens. What do they need me for, I can't tell stories, I only deal in facts proven by documentary evidence. Bill Turner and I were already planning for the 100th anniversay when we finished to 90th in 2006, sadly Bill died a year later.