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kestrelx 08-03-2014 12:28

LSD? Could be good for you!
 
New research from Norway claims that LSD may be good for you?

'LSD could be good for you': Hallucinogens 'wrongly linked with mental health problems for years' study says | Mail Online

Hallucinogenic drugs may actually be good for you, a team of researchers has concluded.
Norwegian scientists have carried out extensive research on the effects of LSD - or trips - by studying drugs surveys from tens of thousands of Americans.

The findings are at odds with the long held belief that LSD and other 'mind-enhancing' drugs - such as mescaline and the drug psilocybin, found in magic mushrooms - result in flashbacks, paranoia and long term mental health problems.

Less 08-03-2014 14:54

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Wow! I just hallucinated that Kx had started a thread that didn't involve drugs or his brother.
Of the two I'd rather have the drugs.

Margaret Pilkington 08-03-2014 15:08

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I am distrustful of articles that tell you what research suggests. I want to know WHO commissioned the research....WHY it was commissioned. WHO paid for it. And WHAT were the criteria used for including/excluding participants.
All these issues can skew the results. Frequently research proves what those who paid for and commissioned the research wanted it to prove.

Recently 'experts' who have been telling us for years that butter and eggs were bad for us now have changed their minds. Last week we were told that research shows that a high protein diet in our 40's is detrimental to health...salt is bad for us...sugar is bad for us.

Why don't the government just deliver a large bucket of gruel to each household and tell us to live off that.

Moderation is the key in most things....except LSD......unless it is being prescribed for a medical complaint.

DaveinGermany 08-03-2014 16:28

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I thought this was something recent, it's from September 2013 & as you should know by now Kes, anything drug related is going to be viewed with a healthy dose of disagreement & scepticism! Why didn't you just tag it onto an already opened thread on the subject rather than starting something new?

Margaret Pilkington 08-03-2014 16:44

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Oh, now Son....that is far too logical.

cashman 08-03-2014 16:46

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Well it aint done you or your kid much good.:rolleyes:

DaveinGermany 08-03-2014 17:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1097067)
Oh, now Son....that is far too logical.

Aye, I suppose so Ma, sometimes I have these .... moments!:) As to LSD, the only LSD I see is Leftover Sunday Dinner, that's as long as the Hound wasn't in there first! :biggrin8:

walkinman221 08-03-2014 17:29

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All you need to do to answer that question kestrelx is take a look in your nearest mirror;)

Eric 08-03-2014 17:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1097057)
I am distrustful of articles that tell you what research suggests. I want to know WHO commissioned the research....WHY it was commissioned. WHO paid for it. And WHAT were the criteria used for including/excluding participants.
All these issues can skew the results. Frequently research proves what those who paid for and commissioned the research wanted it to prove.

It doesn't always happen this way. The controversy surrounding the Shafer Commission, otherwise known as "The National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse", makes interesting reading for those who are stoned, or who have time to waste:D. The Commission didn't come up with the findings the Nixon administration wanted. But now, it seems as if the U.S., at the State level, is moving in the direction that Shafer advocated over 40 yrs. ago.

Margaret Pilkington 08-03-2014 19:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1097089)
It doesn't always happen this way.

Eric...I did say 'frequently'. My cynicism stems from research in the medical/nursing field. I was enlightened by a research scientist who was particularly disenchanted with his work.
I am also very wary of those who deem themselves to be experts. What is an expert. I know that a spurt is a drip under pressure...and X marks the spot. It really sums up what an expert is.

To my mind it seems that it is too much trouble to catch those who use and misuse drugs. So if drug use is decriminalised then the authorities do not need to spend time looking for those who flout the law.
This is a bit like being a really bad shot.....and calling whatever you hit 'the target'.
Catching drug users is like shovelling fleas across a barnyard.

For myself, I am not in favour of drugs. I do not need them to get high...or to blur the edges of my life.

accyman 09-03-2014 14:00

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this article was also in a magazine that said herpees might be good for you

there was a que a mile long itching to get a copy

kestrelx 11-03-2014 17:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1097069)
Well it aint done you or your kid much good.:rolleyes:

My "kid" never touched the stuff! :eek:

kestrelx 11-03-2014 17:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1097089)
It doesn't always happen this way. The controversy surrounding the Shafer Commission, otherwise known as "The National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse", makes interesting reading for those who are stoned, or who have time to waste:D. The Commission didn't come up with the findings the Nixon administration wanted. But now, it seems as if the U.S., at the State level, is moving in the direction that Shafer advocated over 40 yrs. ago.

You seem to be one who is more intelligent; amoungst some of the sheep grazing round about the Accrington hills. ;)

Margaret Pilkington 11-03-2014 17:15

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Is that because he is of the same opinion as you?
You want to be intelligent by association?
As for sheep.....well, it takes one to know one.
It is so easy to follow the crowd into habits which can be harmful.....far harder to follow your own path....to make choices which are not in line with those of your peers.

kestrelx 11-03-2014 17:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1097493)
Is that because he is of the same opinion as you?
You want to be intelligent by association?
As for sheep.....well, it takes one to know one.
It is so easy to follow the crowd into habits which can be harmful.....far harder to follow your own path....to make choices which are not in line with those of your peers.

Jimi Hendrix was my sheep! :D But we are all sheep in our own way.

no; because at least Eric is prepared to discuss the evidence.

Margaret Pilkington 11-03-2014 18:52

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Different people will cite different pieces of evidence to support their own particular take on an issue. Research is frequently flawed/skewed...rarely is it independent.
(this is from personal experience of research projects)

I am not a sheep. I follow no-one. I make my own path, I make my own choices.
Your reference to Accyweb sheep was to insult forum members...to imply that we cannot make our own minds up about things...that we have no minds of our own.
Inserting a smiley does not detract from the barb of the comment.
I do not need substances to enhance my life.

accybeme 12-03-2014 09:45

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it may be good for you if it's a controlled drug prescribed by a doctor, but as a disco party popping pill to get high, who knows what concoction is in that pill

kestrelx 14-03-2014 15:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accybeme (Post 1097557)
it may be good for you if it's a controlled drug prescribed by a doctor, but as a disco party popping pill to get high, who knows what concoction is in that pill

Some girl ended up in hospital few weeks back overdosing on high energy sugar drinks - not to mention all the others who end up obese from sugar they lace most ready meals with.

Margaret Pilkington 14-03-2014 15:39

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Sugar isn't illegal.

Margaret Pilkington 14-03-2014 15:41

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And in this discussion the interesting word is 'could'...as in LSD could be good for you.
That does not mean it IS good for you.
If you drink too much water even that could kill you by causing hyponatraemia(low levels of salt).

Accyexplorer 14-03-2014 16:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1097807)
Sugar isn't illegal.

Not yet,maybe it should be though.

Margaret Pilkington 14-03-2014 16:19

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Why?
For those of us who can control their consumption, there isn't an issue.
We were told decades ago that fat was bad for us...scientists...experts told us this.....most of us listened. Now they tell us that they got it wrong and we should be eating butter not manufactured fats.
Protein is bad for us, salt is bad for us. I am fed up of the 'Nanny state' trying to influence the way we conduct our lives.
How long will it be before we go back to something like wartime rations?

People who are obese are that way because they eat too much and exercise too little.
My weight is the same at it was in the 90's...my shape has changed, but my weight is the same because I watch what I eat(I cook from scratch...using fresh foods) and am busy doing things.

Accyexplorer 14-03-2014 16:44

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tdMjKEncojQ

Margaret Pilkington 14-03-2014 17:16

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If you cannot convince them.....confuse them!

If people cooked their own food...didn't rely on ready made or take away food then there would be fewer problems. Soft drinks are also consumed in large quantities.....even those sugar free drinks are bad.
The food industry has adulterated foods with chemicals.

Margaret Pilkington 14-03-2014 17:22

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That video will go way over the heads of many people.
It is, as you have said about many of my posts, too many long words...and not just long words, but long words that are not understood.

Accyexplorer 14-03-2014 17:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1097825)
That video will go way over the heads of many people.
It is, as you have said about many of my posts, too many long words...and not just long words, but long words that are not understood.

That's why I targeted you :p

Margaret Pilkington 14-03-2014 19:07

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Thanks for that! :)

kestrelx 20-03-2014 16:56

Re: LSD? Could be good for you!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1097807)
Sugar isn't illegal.

Yes and it won't be made illegal because too much vested interest in this billion pound industry which was originally only possible because of the Slave trade - sugar was grown in the Caribean by slaves and shipped over to the UK.

Why do they put several table spoons of sugar in a shepards pie? Popcorn in the cinema though it tastes salty has about 15 teaspoons of sugar in one big carton - Heinz tomato soup has about 8 spoons in it.

Lsd may temporarily change someones thinking process but sugar also does; it makes people depressed and can cause mood swings.

Margaret Pilkington 20-03-2014 18:42

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I would choose sugar every time.
The reason why sugar was put into things was because 'the experts' told the general population that fat was bad for them...they told the population that they had firm evidence of this...butter was bad for you.
Taking the fat out of some things made them taste less appetising...so sugar was sustituted instead.
Now 'the experts' - those who have done studies, tell us that they got it wrong all those years ago.....it isn't fat that causes heart disease...they have firm evidence that it is sugar.
We need to reduce the sugar in our diets, we need to reduce the protein in our diets, we need to reduce the salt in our diets.
Pretty soon we are all going to be like Morty's Donkey. We will just have got used to living on nothing and then we will die.....of starvation, malnutrition - well, it would be good to die of good health would it?

I have no problem in being moderate in my diet. I can choose to have sugar,salt and protein in moderation.

And those experts who tell us that LSD may (they don't say it IS good for us)be good for us, could in twenty plonk years time find out that they were wrong too - but by then how many lives will have been ruined?

You propound the benefits or perceived benefits of drugs for your own reasons.

Less 20-03-2014 19:18

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Whenever I boil/ roast/fry/do them in a jacket potatoes, I add plenty of salt, so far so good even though that's supposed to be bad.
I wonder would my health and perhaps attitude improve if I substituted LSD for what I enjoy?

Restless 20-03-2014 19:28

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Ive taken LSD. I have no clue why anyone, especially those who have taken it can think it "good for you" perhaps its not bad for you in relation to mental health but an aid to health....what a laugh

DAV007 20-03-2014 22:27

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one bad trip and your life will never be the same.

Margaret Pilkington 21-03-2014 07:08

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I knew a man who had experimented with drugs in the sixties. Since then his life had become a mess and he had many many years of psychiatric treatment and help to beat the demons which only came into his life after his drug taking days. Now, you may say that had he not taken the drugs he may still have had these mental health issues. That may be true,but he himself, put the problems down to his drug taking.

He not only ruined his own life, but that of his wife and his two sons.
In the end he committed suicide.

Restless 21-03-2014 14:26

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That is sad indeed Margaret. However those that use LSD often used other drugs and mixed drugs. Unless this guy you knew only did LSD then it is somewhat irrelevant to this irritating subject

Margaret Pilkington 21-03-2014 14:37

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No, Rob he did a mixed bag. He thought he was having 'fun' and that it was harmless.
It all started with weed...but progressed to other things.
The LSD caused him the most problems though(in terms of recurent hallucinations both visual and auditory)...he led his family a merry dance as they tried to support him.
All to no avail. Very sad, he was a lovely man.

Restless 21-03-2014 14:48

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Amphetamines is one of those drugs that cause serious mental problems and that was legally available not that long ago. My friends brother was an addict of that and he slit his wrists in front of his baby that was a few months old

Restless 21-03-2014 15:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1097806)
Some girl ended up in hospital few weeks back overdosing on high energy sugar drinks - not to mention all the others who end up obese from sugar they lace most ready meals with.

Dude stop comparing sugar to illegal drugs. No wonder people on this forum think you're crazy ;)

Margaret Pilkington 21-03-2014 16:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1098807)
Amphetamines is one of those drugs that cause serious mental problems and that was legally available not that long ago. My friends brother was an addict of that and he slit his wrists in front of his baby that was a few months old

Amphetamines were one of the things he used too.
It is really very sad to think that not just the person who is using is afected, but that families lose the person they loved....because their personalities do change...and not for the better.

DAV007 22-03-2014 08:11

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Restless

I have witnessed 2 people go off the rails mentally due to weed.
Why the Labour party ever thought it was a good idea to make it a class C drug beggers belief?

Restless 22-03-2014 08:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1098905)
Restless

I have witnessed 2 people go off the rails mentally due to weed.
Why the Labour party ever thought it was a good idea to make it a class C drug beggers belief?

Did they smoke lots of the solid 'soapbar' stuff?

Neil 22-03-2014 09:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1098676)
Yes and it won't be made illegal because too much vested interest in this billion pound industry which was originally only possible because of the Slave trade - sugar was grown in the Caribean by slaves and shipped over to the UK.

Why do they put several table spoons of sugar in a shepards pie? Popcorn in the cinema though it tastes salty has about 15 teaspoons of sugar in one big carton - Heinz tomato soup has about 8 spoons in it.

Lsd may temporarily change someones thinking process but sugar also does; it makes people depressed and can cause mood swings.

Here you are again trying to convince us all that taking drugs is a good thing. Are you trying to make yourself feel better about your drug taking activities?

Talk about broken record, have you not learnt yet that most people on here think that when it comes to drugs you are wrong?
I think some of them only answer you because they are bored and like to play with you.

kestrelx 22-03-2014 12:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1098921)
Here you are again trying to convince us all that taking drugs is a good thing. Are you trying to make yourself feel better about your drug taking activities?

Talk about broken record, have you not learnt yet that most people on here think that when it comes to drugs you are wrong?
I think some of them only answer you because they are bored and like to play with you.

Now that's a sweet pill! :D You ever heard of new research? or is the earth always flat for you - or any other theory or belief that may be out dated by new evidence? :confused: For example one of the main concepts that LSD makes people jump out of windows comes from a CIA experiement in which I doctor was spiiked in a hotel room and jumped out of the window.

Neil 23-03-2014 12:43

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Are you just trying to justify to yourself that what you have taken is actually good for you or do you actually believe all that rubbish you post about drugs being good?
The best thing for everyone would be to never put any drug at all into your body but unfortunately Adam and Eve stuffed it up for us all and we get sick and take things to try and get better, some of which has side effects - some worse than others.

Restless 23-03-2014 22:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1099164)
Are you just trying to justify to yourself that what you have taken is actually good for you

I think you will find that kestrelx stated on numerous occasions how he is against the recreational use of the substance 'Sugar' . Of which he partakes in minute quantities on a daily basis. ;-)

Neil 23-03-2014 23:07

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I'm an addict, my daily caffeine intake is ridiculous at the moment. I expect to have had the equivalent of 14 cups of coffee today before I get home in the morning. Only about 7 3/4 teaspoons of sugar though

DAV007 23-03-2014 23:09

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I watched a show on tv about people being addicted to pain killers,
they contain cocaine!

Neil 24-03-2014 00:25

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1099323)
I watched a show on tv about people being addicted to pain killers,
they contain cocaine!

Several of them are opiate based. Codeine is a common one Codeine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Restless 24-03-2014 05:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1099323)
I watched a show on tv about people being addicted to pain killers,
they contain cocaine!

they are addictive very addictive Prescription drugs can be far worse than some of the illegal ones

Restless 24-03-2014 06:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1099322)
I'm an addict, my daily caffeine intake is ridiculous at the moment. I expect to have had the equivalent of 14 cups of coffee today before I get home in the morning. Only about 7 3/4 teaspoons of sugar though

I have to admit I am also an addict. But I am not on the level you are. I am a fussy addict. Thankfully carte noire is £5.00 for two jars at the moment. Finally after 15 years we are allowed to use the kettle at work(only at break) so I take a pint Cup and have two huge heaps of coffee and three heaps of sugar. Tate and Lyle. Quality sugar none of this Whitworth crap. :)

Neil 24-03-2014 14:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1099345)
I have to admit I am also an addict. But I am not on the level you are. I am a fussy addict. Thankfully carte noire is £5.00 for two jars at the moment. Finally after 15 years we are allowed to use the kettle at work(only at break) so I take a pint Cup and have two huge heaps of coffee and three heaps of sugar. Tate and Lyle. Quality sugar none of this Whitworth crap. :)

I drink Nescafe Espresso, it is on offer at the moment at £3 for a 100g jar so I bought 4 in Asda the other day. I have 2 heaped tea spoons in a small glass cup with 3/4 teaspoon of sugar, drink it black - have you seen where milk comes from?. Thats why my 7 or 8 cups yesterday is like 14 or 16 normal cups :D

We have one of those constantly hot boilers on the wall in the workshop at work. Takes 10 secs to make a brew on the way to the office to book jobs in or while doing bench work :D

MargaretR 24-03-2014 15:15

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Since I posted this thread
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ine-64289.html
I have managed to convert to decaff ground coffee and no longer crave the caffeine coffee.
My 'frequent micturation' problem:o was solved for a while, until a prescription med caused it again :(
Caffeine Addiction Diagnosis

Neil 24-03-2014 15:29

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1099436)
Since I posted this thread
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ine-64289.html
I have managed to convert to decaff ground coffee and no longer crave the caffeine coffee.
My 'frequent micturation' problem:o was solved for a while, until a prescription med caused it again :(
Caffeine Addiction Diagnosis

I am that laid back I would nod off without it :rolleyes:

DaveinGermany 24-03-2014 18:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1099440)
I am that laid back I would nod off without it :rolleyes:

'Ere are you that Sloth what does the furniture adverts? :D

Sofaworks Ad - Neil the Sloth - YouTube

Neil 24-03-2014 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1099462)
'Ere are you that Sloth what does the furniture adverts? :D

Sofaworks Ad - Neil the Sloth - YouTube

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