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Oh how I so wish I could dig out all the posts on here by councillors denying we have problems.

'Time to get tough' as area is among worst for yobs - Accrington Observer

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What happened to the thread that said Accrington was picking up ??:confused::p

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It was probably the 5th worst area last week :)

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how do you water down not enough or sod all its not as though the problem was been sorted under labour either


mind you the streets did feel safer under labour after that father got an asbo for playing football with his 5 year old child in the street

ASBO's became a badge of honour to kids because they were easy to get and the punishment minimalistic

frankie boyle had teh right idea to call them bender badges instead of ASBO and make them wear them

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instead of using these figures to bash the opposition and drop a little dig in why not work together with the opposition in tackling teh problem.Mind you that would be doing the opposite of many years training in council where councilors do nothing but bitch about each other and blame each other for getting sod all done

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at least with labour bobbies were on the beat, people were confident to report crime now crime is ignored as the police are at crisis point . we are just a bunch of plebs. once society gets to the roots of these problems nothing will change.

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Most folk are well aware of the problems, But theres none so blind as those who can see.:rolleyes: n Cmons as blind as those councillors.

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this might sound a bit of old fashioned toryism and socialist but the root of the problem is kids have been institutionalised with being at school then thrown out on their ear if they are academically challenged , everybody is different i like the idea that is being mooted that every body who has left without qualifications will be placed into a work place to bring out the innovative in them and the old skill centres will be set up again. this plus the creation of sustainable jobs out with the service industries would be good.

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I see just as many police officers 'on the beat' under the Tories as I did when Labour were in power, ZERO. Community Officers riding around on mountain bikes those I often see but the only glimpse of a Police Officer is a blur as they drive past blues and two's going, I don't believe they ever walk anywhere.
So wherever your labour bobbies walked the beat it wasn't around here.

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Most sensible folk are knowing this, I reckon Cmons memory is a result of too much acid when younger. probably why mines not great these days.:D

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Blackpool doesn't really count- it imports its yobs on stag parties, hen parties etc. When they've had a fight, been sick and had fun they go home(to Accrington?).
So doesn't that make Hyndburn the best 'worst borough for yobs' in Lancashire?
What has happened to my old home town? Does it actually have any law and order?

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Of course it does, but not on a day with a 'y' in it.

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Minutes from tonights emergency council meeting..

Item 1...removal of park benches to reduce yob behaviour in parks..

Passed..Councillor Moss pointed out that less than 3 people would complain....Graham Jones MP, asked to speak by special mandate, evidenced this by producing a document from the house of commons which read..'95% of xxx people I've personally spoken to, thought that removing park benches in the town of xxx was justified. Councillor 'lurker' Dawson asked for an addendum that seats be removed from school buses and replaced with the old hanging strap system..'they have it too good these kids nowadays'....

Item 2... striking of council workers complaining of low pay despite council paying 'living wage' as opposed to the 'minimum wage' paid by many private employers.

Passed..Leader of the council Smiles Parkinson said..every public employee deserves to be treated as a special case....big deal if a plague of rats and insects befalls Hyndburn, or that people who can't afford time off work have to arrange expensive emergency childcare or risk losing their jobs, we can score a political point here, sod the nuggets who voted us in..let them eat cake (or they could eat from their dustbins and it's win/win for us)! Besides I'm not actually paying for this, the dupes on minimum wage scraping a living who voted me in are...oh wait I'm supposed to be a Labour candidate aren't I?

During question time, 80 year old Bertha Heckinthwaite rose from the public gallery to point out that Blackburn and Burnley were both investing heavily in town centre shopping and asked the council what did they think would happen if they created a bus station away from Accrington town centre that had fast links to these towns which had actual shops and benches.....All councillors adopted the traditional 'ostrich pose' in response.

The meeting ended with councillors giving their expenses forms to the purser and self congratulations all round.

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is this joke, so the old and infirm can't have a seat:confused: because the council think removing seats will stop anti-social behaviour .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7n5mEmXJo

I'm a councillor and I'm ok.
I sleep all night and I work all day,

He's a councillor and he's ok.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

I deal with planning, I go to meetings
All done in Scaitcliffe House
On Wednesdays Ken goes shopping
And he never uses a mouse

He's a councillor and he's ok.
He sleeps all nights and he works all day.

I take away benches, ignore parking
Specially on Blackburn Road
I ignore public wishes
Cos I am in the know

He takes away benches, he ignores parking
Specially on Blackburn Road
He ignores public wishes
Cos he is in the know

I change the market, the bus station
Ignoring common sense
I wish they'd all shut up
They must know I am dense

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Well removal of park benches is just what is needed!!! Many parks have bowling greens, n i often see yobby pensioners sat enjoying the bowling.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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has anyone else noticed that just after an election crime is never an issue and certainly not a big issue to MPs but as soon as it starts to get nearer to election time crime becomes a hot topic.Whta iv notice happens is that the opposition usually points out how high crime figures are then both the main party say what they wont get around to doing to sort crime out.

i think the first 3 years of a MPs term is spent running around after trivial matters and lining his or her pockets and the last year is spent trying to scare the crap out of us so they can reassure us they will make it all better if elected with a few false prommises for other things sprinkled on top

the only crimes that have been got tougher on as of late are speeding and not paying your taxes which of course are both good money earners for the government.

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Out of the whole of the country how can Hyndburn be the sixth worse area for anti social behaviour? What about all the dodgy places you hear on the news all the time with all the shootings, muggings and drug crime? Moss Side in Manchester for example, or any other dodgy inner city areas. Hyndburn might have its problems but, surely doesnt even compare to those places! I don't think I've ever felt worried walking around my old stomping ground. What a stupid statistic!

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Used to go down the Moss frequently in 60s, never once felt or was threatened,dont believe everything the media tell yeh.

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Try going there now.

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was yon last year actually was ok.

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i think maundy have opened up a shop there since though :D

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Did you go at night or in daylight?

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was early evening. but not summer,

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The statistics are crimes reported per 100 residents. If 100 people commit a crime in Hyndburn and 100 commit a crime in Moss Side, then clearly the percentage per population is greater in Hyndburn. It's only a stupid statistic for those who don't see it on a daily basis, or councillors who choose not to see it ;)

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Statistics are meant to confuse and bamboozle....they are lies in another guise.....unless full information is given for those who view them, to make sense of the information.

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They certainly are n do fer many.;)

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Moss Side is in the administrative area of Greater Manchester and is not included in the police crime figures for Lancashire..it's not really about major crime anyway..it's more about antisocial stuff which although isn't usually life threatening causes misery, intimidation and fear, yet is rarely dealt with correctly by the court system..

Click find your neighbourhood and enter your postcode..I guarantee you'll be unpleasantly surprised by your local yobbishness

Police.uk

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I agree sometimes but that statistic is perfectly clear when you read Daves explanation. Most of the reported incidents maybe minor but there are so many minor ones they make the overall figure per population big. Don't forget what's minor to you or me might not be to the person reporting it.

I think this shows that we are very under Policed in this area. Those being reported are not being dealt with so they carry on with their anti social behaviour.

I believe St Andrews ward where I am has quite a lot of anti social reports but it includes a lot of Union Road and the problems are adults not kids in or outside the pubs. I think a lot of people tag kids with antisocial behaviour but a lot of it is adults

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Church with Milnshaw, Lancashire Constabulary - Police.uk 94 in may in my old neck of the woods

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Agreed, my little shrinking violet:D, a few years back Kingston had one of the highest murder rates in Canada, merely because an Afghani immigrant and his son killed his three daughters and his ex, and dumped them into the Rideau Canal at Kingston Mills Locks. He was returning to his home in Montreal and decided to off his "dishonorable" daughters on the way.:rolleyes: If memory serves me right, they were the only murders in the city that year.

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I hear were you are coming from, but, without enforceable law on the street things can only get worse.
When I was growing up the local policeman was just that, local.
Now if a copper sees kids he won't know them, can't tell their parents won't get any help.
Fear of parents being told has gone.

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Teenagers. Tired of being harassed by your parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your own way. Quick! ... While you still know everything.

Ain't original; but I like it.:D

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Neil, you are right...but the salient point is in the words 'Daves explanation'

There are some stats that are meant to bamboozle and some of the explanations are meant to confuse.
If you do not have a high level of suspicion in relation to statitics, then you are a prime target to being bamboozled.
It pays to ask what criteria were used when compiling the stats...who compiled them and who paid for them......these questions will shine light into the dark corners where the lies(or should that read terminological inexactitude?) lurk.

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I didn't need any stats to tell me there are problems, first hand witness is fact enough for me :)

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and for most people Lancsdave.
They don't need to tell us what is obvious.

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can we really expect a bunch of people whos only experience of crime is fiddling taxes,fiddling kids and stealing from the public purse to sort crime out ?

i bet most of them have only had to dial 999 when someone working class stepped onto their property

lets face it teh majority of them cant be trusted to fill in an expenses form honestly how can they set the moral standard on anything yet alone crime

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I've been trying to find the report GJ and the Observer were quoting. There are lots of reports, charts figures, all hard to follow. None fit the figures the Observer quoted. None show Hyndburn so badly.
The clearest I found was on Lancsgov, showing Total Crime Figures reported 2013/2014.
Blackpool- 115 crimes per 1000 citizens. Lots of imported yobs?
Burnley - 89.8 per 1000
Preston - 80.5 per 1000
Blackburn- 73.8 per 1000
Hyndburn- 69.7 per 1000
Lancaster- 65 per 1000
Pendle - 62.9 per 1000
Ribble Valley-31.1 per 1000

So Hyndburn isn't that good but a lot better than the 5 above it. It certainly can't be the 6th worst in England if it's down at No 5 just for Lancashire.

Has anyone found GJs source?

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The report is about anti-social crime rather than crime in general. You could say all crime is anti-social but this is specific to a certain type of crime.

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That's where I got stuck, lancsdave, I couldn't find a report which was just about anti-social(yobs) behaviour.
Have you found it?

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crimes will have been cherry picked to suit the person who made the lists adjenda

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I just look out of the shop door :rolleyes:

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sorry mate too close to home

open a shop in gaza and then maybe HBC will take notice of your situation

better still open a shop in gaza and contract malaria they wont be able to help you fast enough

i went down accy today at 11 am and was just around the corner from your shop at the market stall.I was trying to talk to the bloke selling e-cigs but despite us only been a few feet away from each other he couldnt do a decent sales pitch because both of us were been drowned out by drunken dirt bags yelling at each other in an argument using foul language to boot infront of shoppers and their children

i honestly feel for you mate it must be hard trying to attract customers to your shop when the filth of our society is allowed to act this way unchallenged and the lack of support from the council is laughable.

bet they still collect rent or council tax from you pretty quickly though eh

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A story I did made the front page of the DM back in 2011 in response to Clegg's 'prison doesn't work'. I also led campaign against metal thieves that changed the law .. amongst other interventions.

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What story? Although we follow your career with dismay, give us details when you answer. We were read story's as children, they at least start once upon a time, cut to the middle bit for entertainment, then finish happily ever after.
Your story makes first page you can't even remind us of it, instead you put your our grids are being stolen gift from your parties high office, which was handed to you no doubt to keep you busy whilst the big boys keep you in line.

The mind boggles.
:(

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I'm sure there will be a public meeting that the council will forget to tell the public about to discuss it all :D

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Sealyham Terriers Saved From Extinction:D:D

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Less, I get boggled reading your incessant pessimism. Do you know anything at all about Hyndburn?

Yours, permanently disappointed.

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When hell is full, the condemned shall roam Accrington

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Graham I may disappoint you, that does no real harm to the Staus quo, You disappointing your constituents that will make changes.

I don't know a thing about Hyndburn mainly because whenever asked a question my local M.P. does not consider myself nor 95% of his constituents to have the nouse to think about major issues such as a referendum, due to which he attempts to fob me off with made up percentages and opinion polls that mean nothing.

Yours, a permanently ex Labour voter.


P.S. Notice how you prefer to have a go at me, rather than relieve me of my ignorance by mentioning the story?
:alright:

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I rang the police station today to report somebody going round town and asking people if they wanted to buy jewellery from the bag he was trailing round. The police response was " we will see if anybody can come down and check it out". I'm guessing that as they didn't ask me for a description or came to see me they were busy wading through the swamp.

Last week somebody was roaming round town selling sets of chef's knives.

I reckon with a bit of time Hyndburn can claim number 1 spot and knowing the local council they will see it as some form of honour.

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Did you ask for an incident reference number when you reported it? They can't ignore you then and have to log it. I can't help thinking they will be trying to not log complaints to bend the figures

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No I didn't. I ring the community policing number which I was given by a previous officer of the law who attended an incident earlier this year.

I haven't actually seen a police officer in town for quite a while now.

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neither have the people selling dodgy or stolen gear and thats of course why they are there

its not a new problem though dave it was a couple of years ago i saw a bloke laying out a blanket full of fake tobacco and he was there some time unchallenged despite all the cctv in the area.

smack bang between greggs and the sports shop wher eall teh pedestrians have to walk through to get to the indoor and outdoor market

take the banches away and teh crooks bring a blanket to sit on

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Maybe all the police officers are queuing up for a ride in the helicopter which seems to be constantly hovering over springhill. :rolleyes:

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its summer so they are looking for hot roofs so they can see whos growing weed

i just wish they wouldnt spend all night doing it

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I would have thought the hot roofs would stand out much easier in winter

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nah most roofs unless well insualted show up as hot in winter its when they are glowing bright white in summer and stick out liek a sore thumb at night on the heat sensitive camera on teh helicoptor the police get a good idea that someones growing weed in the attic and using lamps

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It's the most common crop grown around here :D

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ironically a couple of years ago there was a big weed bust on pothouse lane

i thought there had been another yesterday there was loads of coppers at teh entrance to pothouse lane

turns out someone had been doing 32mph in a 30 zone

nah only kidding i dont know why they were there

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They were probably laughing at the young lad who couldn't reverse up the steep bit to go around the roadworks after stopping to let a land rover up the hill. He gave up and his girlfriend had to totter over on her heels and move the traffic cone so he could set off forward :D

I almost fell of my bike laughing at him

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Bonus, eh:alright: