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And she deserved it.

Emily Bernauer died due in part to texting while driving - Windsor - CBC News

And "guardian angel" my ass ... thank god she didn't kill anyone but herself. One less inconsiderate, dangerous idiot on the road.

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bit harsh

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Not when you consider that distracted drivers put others at risk ... I don't want to end up in emerg., or on a slab, just 'cause some clown thinks he/she has a god given right to have a bs text conversation with his/her bff ... sorry about the short form;) I don't know how the figures shape up over there, but in Canada, distracted driving is responsible for more fatalities than impaired driving and speeding.

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So someone being killed or maimed by one of these selfish gits aint harsh?:rolleyes:

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Well I think she's learnt that lesson the hard way without hurting anyone else besides her own Family.

RIP it was no age to leave this world.

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What text is important enough to lose your life for?
And if it was so important then what was wrong with pulling over to text?
I see so many folk making calls whilst driving...and how many are caught and fined?
It should not be a case of a fine it should be the confiscation of the vehicle and a driving ban.(and if the vehicle doesn't belong to the one driving, it should make no difference,the driver should have to make reparation to the owner)
It is OK passing laws, but when they are not enforced then they might just as well never have been passed in the first place.

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Personally i wouldn't wish death on anyone and regardless of what figures say one death caused by some pillock that's texting while driving is one to many....


....if it was your child or relative it would be.

Crush offenders cars and sterilise them so they don't reproduce.

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I wouldn't wish death on anyone either.....I sometimes wonder if young people take risks because they feel immortal, like death is something that can't happen to them.....or whether they just haven't enough life experience to see the dangers.
Whichever it is, it does not affect the way this girls family will be feeling right now. All that potential lost in an instant of thoughtlessness.

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It's not just the young that are guilty of this obsession to text whilst driving, it can be observed being done by all ages and classes.
Of course when I say it can be observed, there is a group of people that seem to have a blind spot so far as this crime is concerned, they are the traffic police.

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I was once a passenger in a car that had a very near miss with someone talking on a mobile whilst driving. Selfish cretin could have killed us, he merely swerved back to his side of the road at the last minute and carried on. Why do people feel the need to constantly talk when they're supposed to be concentrating on something else as important as driving a car?

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I doubt that anyone "wished" her death ... If asked my opinion, I would have wished her a long, happy and fulfilling life.

And she was someone's child and relative; no doubt, she also had friends. They are the innocent victims of, as Cashy accurately observed, her "selfishness."

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hands free kits may be expensive when you get factory fitted but you can get a blutooth earpeace for under £10 to use when in your car so theres not much excuse for not sorting something out because if you can afford to own and run a car you should be able to afford a tenner.

mind you another feature i like to employ is getting the kids to answer my phone and stick it on loud speaker but then again there some morons out there that think you shouldnt even speak to anyone next to you in a car when driving which in my opinion would make off road rally rather dangerous

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My lesson was learned in the early 90's, I was always driving somewhere, issued a brick so the boss could keep in touch.

Back then although it should have been, it wasn't obvious about the dangers. (We were learning).
I answered the phone just as I was about to turn right (almost into oncoming traffic), fortunately my passenger squealed in panic and I was able to correct my mistake.
Ever since then, unless hands free connected the mobile in a car is out of reach.
Having said that, even hands free, it can be a distraction.

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Often, it's not the act of conversing, whether with hands free phone or to your fellow travelers, which is dangerous, it's the content of the conversation that decreases concentration and increases risk. If you answer your cell phone (hands free) and someone asks you when you will be home, no problemo. But, if you answer and someone tells you your house is ablaze and your family is trapped inside ... now that kinda takes your mind of driving.

But, in general, I agree that there are limits to what the law can, or should do. Common sense has to enter into the equation. But stricter laws, and enforcement, on texting are a must. Hundreds are dying on the roads ... thousands mourn them .... and many are left to handle the rest of their lives with shattered bodies.

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Hands free texting:confused:;)

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i think the current rules are plenty enough its just there no one enforcing them or hardly enforcing them.I think the only traffic law that is realy implimented is speeding and most of that is done by cameras.

i see your point about hands free been a distraction i have driven a few cars inclusing my own that let the car display show your contacts but this display is usually in teh center of the console and takes your eye off the road.Luckily i can assign voice commands to mine so i just shout a name i want but it only allows 10 voice tags and i have over 200 numbers

there was a program on tv about peoples kids been bad drivers yet despite one girl in it texting and using her mobile to google things and facebook her friends while driving there was no arrest.The footage was there and seen by thousands of people in their livingrooms and in my opinion she should have been banned

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they are half way there with that as some cars read your text out aloud

just hope it isnt your bit on the side asking if the wife is out lol

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Glad to hear it E, while there is obviously a element of "selfishness" to driving while texting, I didn't feel the need to attribute it to this incident (as I wasnt after creating a little controversy).I'm not saying those that do are wrong just, On this occasion I didn't feel the need to.

If this young lady had been changing a Cd or adjusting her sat nav etc I can't help feeling like folk would perhaps shrug it off as just a sad accident (when technically its just the same and has a element of selfishness).

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No, it isn't just the young who are guilty of this.....but the combination of a young person(with limited driving experience) a lethal chunk of metal and the distraction of a phone....well, that is a recipe for grief.
As for the traffic cops.....well, they can't be everywhere(and I am not excusing their part)......but honestly it is a law which is almost impossible to police effectively

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There is too much to distract drivers in the environment around them today.

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The thing is, texting has become like a drug and folk can/do become rather addicted. Most folk in today's society (relentlessly) communicate with friends and when they hear that tone that indicates a text message, they can’t wait to respond.
If a wasp flew in a open window they wouldn't wait to pull over so why can't the same be applied to texting while at the wheel.

Re the youth,Perhaps parents could be more of a role model for their children and take a little responsibility for drilling it home that texting while driving is a killer? it's more likely that they doing it themselves and setting a poor example of care and attention while driving.

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Since when did children listen to anything that parents suggest?
Yes, you have to show by example, but again children do not take seriously the example of their parents.
I am of the wrong generation really....I find texting seriously tedious......but then I do not feel the need to be in constant contact by technology to someone sitting in the same room(I see teens texting one another when they are sat just a few feet away from one another.....very ill mannered...a bit like whispering when in company- see I told you I was the wrong generation).

Maybe children in school should be taken by their teachers to see the results of accidents like these.....to have contact with the friends and parents of those who lose their lives in crashes like this....we have to let children see the misery it causes.

We can try our best to educate our children, but in the end we have to set them free to make their own mistakes......children never learn from the mistakes their parents made. They always think they are cleverer and will not make those mistakes.

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I agree M, giving kids a first hand experience of the aftermath from texting and driving could be a good deterrent.

As for listening to parents, Mother once caught me texting while driving her to the asda. I had my phone between my legs and was texting whilst parked at a red light (just a quick be back in 5 text) but needless to say I didnt do it again after she made me pull over and also give me a grade one tirade of abuse (and to think I use to kiss that mouth as a child :D ) she walked the rest of the way and got a taxi home, the shame was enough to never do it again

Using a phone while in control of a car is absolutely wrong. I put mine on silent now and leave it in my pocket. There's nothing that can't wait until I get to my destination. Personally,It's too much of a temptation and a distraction otherwise.

How did your generation cope with not being able to transmit messages before the advent of the mobile phone M? ;)

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Because you were driving, you were clearly not an impressionable child, a teenager who is more in tune with their peers.....but an adult. To your mum, whatever age you attain you will always be her child.
But......as an adult child you will have a very different perspective to, say, an eighteen year old......and that is the difference.

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You can almost get a handsfree for the same as the fine for using a mobile while driving. The Government could have helped years ago by making bluetooth handsfree a requirement in all new cars. It would only have added a few pounds to the cost of the radio. Much less than all the seatbelt pre-tensioners / air bags etc that are fitted for safety

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No more of a distraction than talking to a passenger while driving - I think it's less distracting using a hands free than talking to a passenger because I see so many driver looking at the passenger while chatting instead of keeping their eyes on the road

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There is tech in cars now that reads texts to you and you can text by talking to your phone

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Ah but thats the thing Margaret a law like this cannot be properly enforced, so to help reduce these accidents, a bit more forcus put on enforcing, n severe penalties if caught i.e. driving ban, large fine,crushed car,(if they own it) would surely help reduce the fools that do this.;) To me a lesson is only learnt by many, if its a heavy price to pay.

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Same way I do now, CB radio, although it's a lot quieter than it used to be. And it's not hands free :eek:

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Our generation had this silly habit of actually "Speaking" to people.

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I wonder what the statistics are for lorry/commercial vehicles crashing due to being on the CB prior the RTA?

I don't remember seeing the media reporting this behaviour as unsafe either.

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An ability that's sadly going/gone out of fashion :)

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Yes, by speaking to one another face to face, because when we speak face to face we are not just listening to what is being said we are observing non verbal cues......and these often soften the words that are being said.
You cannot pick up nuances in a text message, and that is why the Internet and mobile phone are a bad way of communicating.
Humans believe body language so if what you are saying is not mirrored by your body language, then your brain will believe the non verbal stuff over what your mouth is saying.

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Maybe that's because it's not illegal to use a hand held microphone connected to the dash by a curly wire that has a habit of getting wrapped around things like gear stick and steering wheel

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But it hasn't gone out of fashion at all.
Face to face communication is still essential in many industries.....and you need to be able to communicate your abilities in interview for any job or career.

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Not always the case these days Margaret, it happened to someone i know well a couple of months ago, He applied online, got a phone call a couple of hours later offering him the job.:eek: it turned out to be a crap job n hes now working somewhere decent, where he had n interview.;)

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While the scenario you give requires/relies upon the ability to talk face to face,I disagree that it's not going/gone out of fashion.

Reliance on technology has killed the ability to speak face to face and extends to our homes and schools.
The dinner table, once the stronghold of family discussion as you well know, has been invaded by the new villain ('mobile devices') which saturate society. Teenagers have one eye on say Facebook while parents try and usually fail to strike up a conversation.
Texting in class is common now too, despite attempts by teachers to ban or integrate mobile technology into their lessons.

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Well if thats whats happening these days its poor parenting in my view. Teachers cant stop em they have been neutered.:eek:

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a counter argument to that would be that you dont need to keep looking away from the road using a CB radio and besides phones may not have a curly wire but they need charging up especially iphones quite regularly so a lot of people have usb/fag charger adaptors.

most folk reading this thread will remember phones before touch screen came along and wasnt it a lot easier to text someone? After a few weeks of owning a phone you could text without even looking at the screen as you could feel your way around the keypad.These days i bet half the distractions are caused by fat thumbs on a small touchscreen keypad and making sure auto correct hasnt sent your mum a dirty message.

not saying texting and driving was ok back then either but if anything advancement in technology has made the process more difficult and distracting

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbjSWDwJILs

Why? Does being a bad driver also make someone a bad parent?

That's wishful thinking. Airbags and seatbelts are mandated and installed in the hope that they are never needed because they are protection during a crash. Expecting the manufacturer to spend a few extra pounds per car on a feature that won't be used by everyone is not going to be welcomed because they are only marginally useful in preventing a crash. Let's face it, drivers are already legally obliged to leave their handset alone while driving, but many don't. I drive from Great Harwood to Blackburn and back every day, and my dashcam always manage to film someone on their phone. I'm sure more would pair up the car radio so they could use their music collection than would use it as a safety feature.

Don't forget, Chevrolet manufactured a car in the late 70s and deliberately left the fuel tank dangerously close to the car rear, because the cost of moving it ($8.59 per vehicle sold) was so much higher than the expected cost of lawsuits from the families of those burned to death after rear-end collisions ($2.40 per vehicle sold). While safety has become a selling point since those days, the car industry still tries to shave pennies of the component costs on mass-produced cars.

Edit: Incidentally, Chevy's plan backfired massively. They ended up paying out $1.2 billion (on appeal) in total.

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Sorry, I didn't watch the clip S25.

To answer your question,the answer is no but, a person who texts while driving putting others at risk is 'irresponsible' and there is a good chance that said irresponsibility also reflects in the home environment and for a irresponsible soul to go on and have kids is a bad idea Imo :D

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I do not doubt that for a moment, but many jobs out there require face to face conversation, personal interaction.......so it is in the interests of these youngsters to maintain the ability to communicate in person.
Texting in class should be easy to solve.......ban mobile phones in the classroom. Why on earth does a child need to have their phone with them in the classroom?
I find it very sad that some teens prefer to communicate in such a manner....verbal skills are only developed by actual use of them....interpersonal skills are only honed when you can see the face and the reactions of the person you are speaking to.....and that is one reason why I find the increasing use of the full face veil disturbing.

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I hope this means your still a Virgin.
:o

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See you next Tuesday :D

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I have a factory fitted hands free phone set up in my car but never try to make a call when driving, even though it's just a case of clicking a button until a name comes up on the screen I want to speak to.
I have reached a ripe old age and want to get riper and in my mind being distracted while driving is one way to get plucked from the tree of life.
To text while driving is even worse and it should be an instant driving ban.
But once again, who is policing the law, nobody.

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Re the police, there is only one thing that scares me more than these drivers who text and drive...and that those folk that refuse to see and enforce it for what it is.

I'm sure with the way you think G, you've plenty of years left in you yet ;)

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They wouldn't have a choice if they had to include it to sell the vehicles here

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One innovative ad to warn drivers ...

http://i.cbc.ca/1.1488201.1379101395...tches-kill.jpg

And how often do you see this when you are out on the road?

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as long as you dont find teh term pigs offensive this video perhaps explains why the using a phone while driving law isnt implimented much

they dont seem to know its illigal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoxDYzBiInU

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And another one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlxjng8h3Tc

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It's taken a long time, but folks seem to be getting the message that driving while impaired is not really a good idea ... This is a positive change. One used to hear drivers saying that they don't drive after drinking (or toking) because they don't want to face the legal consequences of their stupidity: suspension, fine, higher insurance rates, impound fees, jail time, etc. Now, many have reached what I believe is the correct conclusion: Driving while drunk is just plain [deleted]ing dumb. This is definitely a change for the better.

In Ontario, distracted driving is a violation of the Ontario Highway Traffic Act ... (things are different here; Provinces have different laws.) Impaired driving is a Criminal Code offence which carries higher penalties. Maybe folks would sit up and take more notice if the offence was moved into the Criminal Code.

There have been some positive moves by, believe it or not, the major insurance companies, which are starting to sit up and take notice, and increase insurance rates, dramatically in some cases, for drivers convicted of distracted driving. There is, of course, the temptation to drive without insurance; but the minimum fine in Ontario for this offense is $5,000.00, impounding the vehicle, and licence suspension ... second offence gets you jail time.

And there's an irony goin' on with distracted driving: people just don't seem to see it as a crime. They do, however see impaired driving as a crime. And the irony, of course, is that distracted driving has become responsible for more deaths and serious injuries than impaired driving. The message is getting through to the drinkers, but not the texters.

In a recent interview on local tv, an officer from the O.P.P. offered the opinion that texting is responsible for more accidents and near collisions than the figures show. If there is not solid evidence, the cause of the accident is put down as something like "unsafe lane change" or "driving without due care and attention." He wouldn't come out and say it, but his body language told it all: "We know damn well that the asshole was using his phone; but there is no definite proof ... and we can't ask him 'cause he's smeared all over the 401."

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The ultimate penalty and the one paid by this girl....is losing your life.
In the process of losing your own life though you can cause others to be killed or maimed.

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A few years ago the police thought my wife was in danger. I knew she was ok because she'd just rung me to say she was on her on her way home but they wouldn't take my word for it. Instead they told me to ring her mobile and keep ringing till she answered it even though I told them she was driving. Then to tell her to pull over and phone the police to tell them she was ok. What would have happened if a copper had seen her answer the phone to me or she'd caused an accident? The police told me to do it would have seemed a very lame excuse.

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To be honest there is 'no excuse' in my eyes,'Anyone' should pull over to answer the phone if they are driving....

....I'd of asked why the police automatically assume my Mrs is a irresponsible/selfish driver.

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A few years ago, on a Bobsleigh run in Prague, halfway down the run, the Rastafarian team was hitting about 95mph when the ting went way out of control, rolled and spun and broke up mid flight into a thousand pieces, landed in a big heap at the bottom. Fortunately no one was seriously hurt.
When asked what happened, the driver is reported to have said, "I jus dun't no man, I let go da wheel to change da tape and it all started to appen"

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yesterday coming back from burnley at the roundabout leading to the motorway the lights on the roundabout had turned red.Theres 2 lanes and the guy in the nearest lane to me as my lights went to green stopped but the idiot on the inside lane shot through red yapping on his mobile phone.I was very lucky to see him and react as fast as i did becuase the view of the inside lane was blocked by vans on the outside lane.

if they had red light jumping cameras they would not have only got him for jumping red but possibly been on his phone with reckless driving thrown in and got this moron off the roads for a while.

im not sure how many deaths LCC want before they do something about this problem but it was such a close call i had to pull over for a few seconds as i was pretty shaken and i dont scare easy

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I've met you often and been scared each time. You do scare easily.
;)

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I think driving can be dangerous enough without adding to it by texting etc (Don't end up a statistic, and don't make some other poor soul one either).
As for as punishment goes,if caught offenders cars (and phones) should be crushed and they should be banned for 'life'....bit harsh?....don't text and drive then,it's not a hard concept to grasp.

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The problem wi that is it may not be their car, could be dads,friends, or hired?

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Banned from what for life?
Texting?
Driving?
Making it up as they go along?

Posting clearly and after thinking shouldn't be a hard concept either, but it does seem to be beyond the grasp of some of our members.
:(

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They'll be in debt in that case :D

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Yes it could, but the car should still be crushed and the person driving billed for the crushing and to make reparation for the car which wasn't theirs.

It is time that people learned there are consequences for their actions and I think it would be done a few times before the message got across.

What is a crushed car against a crushed and lifeless body(or two) - remember there could be innocent drivers, pedestrians, children involved in accidents where the driver does not have full concentration and therefore control of a lethal weapon - a car.

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I assumed even you (with it being simple) could get the gist :rolleyes:

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That seems fine to me, i only asked the question.:)

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So for all the time it takes them to pay off their debt they will remember that their stupidity is the reason why they are in debt.

How much is a life worth?
And if they lose their life and kill someone else at the same time they have paid the ultimate price and taken someone else with them.
Consequences.......all choices/decisions have consequences.
Some consequences are expensive, some consequences are painful and expensive.

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Thanks for expanding on my comment :p

You are correct ;)

The police are after doubling up the penalties for those that text and drive (still not enough in my eyes).

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when a few years back now HBC was in the papers saying they were waving the white flag and couldnt enforce traffic law on hyndburn road i suggested that they went down and just picked up any illigally parked cars with a grabber and crushed them at the local scrap yard

apparantly they were issduing tickets but it was extreemely difficult and in most cases impossible to figure out who the car owner was.

one thing for sure is that if you take away the car and crush it the owner will be easy enough to spot he or she will be the one screming and jumping up and down demanding a replacement car

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Yes Cashy...I only answered it :D

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Why:confused: Serious question ... maybe things are different over there; but I can't see the difficulty. There should be ways of doing this ... for example, the V.I.N. must be registered to someone.

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Crushed car for illegal parking?......Bit harsh :D

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Good way to get rid of unwanted dead wops.;)

But seriously folks: Along with the smart phone, there seem to be lots of other distractions. Cars like my old beast have a simple array on the dash. All I really need to do is look at the speedometer, and glance now and then in the mirror. I don't own a cell phone ... not 'cause I'm fuddy; I don't need one. And those of my generation will understand, "if you don't need it; don't bloody well buy it." New cars are being made smarter ... probably because drivers are getting dumber ... a car that parks itself:rolleyes: ... gimme a break. What happened to knowing the [deleted] how to drive? Ok. Where was I ... ? It seems as if distractions are being built into cars ... oh, and buses.

Ottawa bus-train crash: speed, video screen factor into investigation - Ottawa - CBC News

Now this was one major cluster [deleted].

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i menat blackburn road in my post not hyndburn i dunno what i was thinking but i dont see it as been harsh at all .The area has always been bad and is getting worse not better so its about time something they will take notice of happened

dont worry i wouldnt just target that area id enforce it nation wide:D

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I agree with DAV007 on this. Didn't we all know everything when we were 18? It's not too long ago that drink-driving was socially acceptable. The girl might have been foolish but surely she didn't deserve to die.

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Leave age out of it...our futures all hinge on as Bob Dylan sings "A simple twist of fate" one of the worst motorway accidents was caused by a man reaching to his jacket hung over the passenger seat for a tube of mints. Who hasn't took their eyes off the road for a second or two to change a CD or pick up their sunglasses. I drive 30,000 miles a year and have seen so many incidents some ending in death and some categorized as lucky escapes caused by something as simple as traffic slowing to look at some roadside occurrence. A flock of sheep, the deer farm on the M1. Ask the traffic cops in Durham about the shunts near the Angel of the North caused by swan neckers.

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its quite regular occurrence for people to be using their mobile phones driving through rising bridge ... sales people on their phones booking their next appointment, mums (with kids in the back of the car) talking to a friend, even saw a lorry driver using his mobile ..
oh and a policeman using his mobile ...

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Foreign truckers with laptops I see more and more. Yes they may will be using it for navigation via GPS but has to be a distraction
Have a look at Darwin Awards for mind boggling display of mans ingenuity to arrange his departure from the gene pool

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There's a limitation of two weeks on the police sending out a "notice of intention to prosecute". Assuming you haven't done anything to scupper the receipt of the notice (such as moving house without telling them), it is considered to be an acceptable defence to say "I do not recall who was driving". The police send the NIP to the registered keeper - who isn't necessarily the vehicle owner or driver.

It's all a crock, really. While it's possible for anyone to drive a car (with the keeper's permission, if their own insurance covers them) I can guarantee that in the vast majority of cases, the keeper can remember who has driven it, out of the named people on the insurance and the people that have been given permission, for way longer than two weeks.

It's just that the law has to be seen to be fair to everyone, so people like me, who can recall exactly who else has used my car in the last six months have to be treated the same as a fleet manager, who will even have to make notes despite the limitation being just two weeks.

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Weird, eh. Don't matter who was driving the vehicle ... the ticket goes to the owner. Somebody has to own the vehicle.

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You don't need to crush it, you can use existing laws about obstruction to remove vehicles. Like you say the owners will soon show there faces and admit who they are.

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That only needs a change in the law though. As a car owner you should be responsible for knowing who is driving it. If you manage a fleet of 100 cars you should have to keep a log of who is driving that day.

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And now we have distracted flying ... Oh, Boeing Guy, where are you:D?

The end of the first paragraph shows that whoever wrote it has a sense of humour ... surprised there was no mention of "joystick":eek:

Air Canada grapples with 'explicit' material in cockpit - Business - CBC News

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Still sad for the family of this young girl

off topic ( a bit)
One thing they do over here on the Military Posts is display wrecked cars where it be drink, drugs, speed etc after having friends hurt and killed in these do not agreed with this practice. They say it helps bring the numbers down Right ok what every

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It is sad for the family; but obviously, she didn't think about that. There's no shortage of info out there on the dangers of distracted driving. It's not as if the police, or MTO (or whatever the equivalent) are keeping this thing a secret.

We don't have the wrecked car thingy here ... altho' I believe such graphic reminders would have a positive impact ... but there are lots of crosses by the side of the highway, marking accident sites.

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They had them at accident sites in Tucson in the '80s along with photographs of the injured/dead

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Yes we do.

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This young man's car was on Broadway in Accrington recently.
I think that perhaps instead of leaving flowers as a remembrance at a site where a driver has died, the police should leave a huge poster of the wrecked car.......I was going to say that the wrecked car should be placed at the side of the road, but I reckon this would be a distraction to drivers...more so than a poster.