£1.7 billion less to spend helping the UK
 

So Europe wants £1.7billion more from us taxpayers because we've tightened our belts, had people thrown out of their homes, suffered massive cuts to health and transport funding. To add insult to injury, Europe has decided that France and Germany can have an £0.8 billion and £0.6 billion rebate.

So our Bullingdon club Flashman PM is currently talking big about not paying it...YET!!!!


Eh???? Not paying yet??? Is that politspeak for we'll wait until the waters calm or something else makes the headlines and then we'll cough up?..This is 'trust me Dave'..the guy who talks about negotiating with Europe and having a referendum at some point in the current millenium, no doubt with an added tearful monologue about how wonderful Europe is....just like he did in Scotland

This is typical of European thinking...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ripQ9jJnw1c

Work hard you British ants and give your money to the French and German grasshoppers

And where the hell is her Majestys opposition on this...well considering they have a stay in Europe whatever the cost view, and our own obsequious hand wringing Uriah Heep MP tells us we know nothing and the great schoolboy EdM knows all.....we have to assume they are waiting for their spin doctors to come up with the best time to respond that would hurt the tories the most..NOTE..NOT THE BEST TIME TO RESPOND TO WHAT EVERY SINGLE BRITON THINKS!!!!! and that is 'F U EUROPE!!'

A vote for 'disconnected to the voters' Jones or 'shoved in from Lytham ' Tory....is pointless....

For those who argue manifestos...they are about as useful as a footballers contract, they can be torn up, thrown away or conveniently forgotten about. Every current politician goes into parliament knowing very little about the manifesto, claims to represent YOU!!! and then is subjugated to voting for what Milliband decides you should think by whips like OUR MP GRAHAM JONES!

UKIP for me next time, regardless of how many last minute spin doctor media luvvies assassinate the minority muppet UKIP candidates.....because of course their have been zero screw up mainstream candidates..jailed or outed for fraud, paedophilia, and other various items of criminality etc...Yeah right..surely I dont have to post the links?

RANT OVER!

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The Germans make the rules, the Italians ignore the rules, the French bend the rules, the Greeks can't afford the rules but-
We're British, we play by the rules.
So yes, we'll pay up, any bets on December 2nd?

Just a thought- was this £1.7billion announced just at the right time to cause maximum embarrassment to DC? An EU bureaucrats plot to kill Tory votes, increase UKIP votes and get sad eyed Ed into power? An EU lover?

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Yes, I think it was announced to cause maximum embarrassment to DC.
But then isn't this much like the benefit culture we have in this country?
Those who scrimp and save are penalised.....those who do not work, or spend all the money they earn are given more to be spendthrift with.

Because the UK has taken tough decisions, because we have had a long time of austerity.....and yes our economy might be better, but the evidence is that the man in the street is not feeling it......so the EU wants to dib into our pockets and rob us of £56 from each and every tax payer.....so that those in France can have a rebate.....those in Germany too.
What can they do if we say 'sit on it and twist til your nose bleeds'.....well they could fine us 200 million Euros......isn't that a lot less than 1.7 billion pounds ?
The EU needs us much more than we need them.
The sooner we are out of it the better!
Can you hear me Mr Jones?

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Really? You think that the EU would release this figure to mess with Cameron and benefit the UKIP vote in Britain whilst hoping that some childlike nondescript labour leader would win by default???

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They will do anything to discredit DC......and I think(but cannot be sure) that the EU do not take seriously UKIP as any kind of threat.......and as for a Labour Victory.....well, the Labour Party haven't said anything about offering the electorate a say in whether we stay in the EU.
So perhaps the EU see that as a win-win situation.....wrong foot Cameron, and get the electorate to vote for a joke party and put Labour back in control.....but then, what do I know?

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Now if you follow conspiracy theories ;) you would realise that all politics is orchestrated to one agenda/outcome and they are all puppets following a ( the same) script.

The outcome is already planned and decided.

The sensible thing to do is to just chuckle and watch this comedy play out.

There isn't much else you can do unless you have the guts to lead a revolution :D

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Get used to this if you guys stay in the EU ... over here we call this stuff "equalization payments" ... the wealthy Provinces bail out the have nots. This is so that services such as health care and education and all that stuff receive about the same amount of money to keep them going ... from coast, to coast, to coast. In a United States of Europe you guys will be forking over the big bucks every year. Have a nice day:)

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the only way we will get a referendum is if the government is 110% sure they will get a vote to stay in

after what our MP did with his last chance at voting on a referendum would you believe labour if they said we should or could have one ?

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What would SCAMeron do if he kept the 1.7billion? Put it into benefits? increase hospital effectiveness? fund transport etc?.......

.....Of course not, he'd just carry on blowing it on paying private companies to do work that the government used to do but for less money....



...Ching Ching that's asda price :D

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I thought that Milliband & Clegg have both stated publically that they will not support a referendum.
DC should have held the referendum before the General Election and followed the vote straight away - no delay, by walking out of Brussels and Strasbourg the day after the results were published - that way, even if Labour form the next government probably with the poodles on their lap, they will be saddled with the fact that we are out of Europe, but I am sure that getting us out of the EU before the election would guarantee that DC would get back in without a problem - maybe with a little help from UKIP

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The general election and the referendum should be held on the same day.
This would ensure a good turnout for the general election, it would reduce the costs of having a separate ballot for the referendum and it would prove that DC was serious when saying he will hold a referendum.
All this said, I am sure that I read somewhere that even if a referendum were held, DC is under no legal,obligation to follow the will of the electorate.
So even if it were to happen, it is quite possible that we would still be in this corrupt money gobbling organisation.

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Except, it is not really a comedy when we are being robbed blind to support nations who do not have the guts to take action against their own profligacy.
And money to give to Germany pah!

Margaret, I am too old to be a revolutionary, not cunning enough.
You know there is a saying 'all hope is in vain when the devil has pi$$ed in the touch hole of your musket'......I'm sure you have heard that one.....that is how it feels right now.

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Just in time for them to celebrate Christmas!

Will the cost of the seasonal wrapping paper come out of the money or will we be footing the bill for that as well?

Somehow, I think I already know the answer.
:(

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The EU has shown that it is unfit for purpose. Any organisation that thinks it can slap a charge on a member state of £1.7m without considering the political ramifications demonstrates it doesn't deserve to survive.

It will have to change, and if that means Britain heading for the Exit door, then so be it.

UKIP worry me, though. There is always a nasty whiff of the far right about them. If they want to recruit traditional Labour voters in the north, how does having eccentric right wing Tory MPs from the South East like Carswell and Reckless help in achieving that?

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Just don't go holding your breath will you.
I cannot see the EU changing anytime soon. It does not change, it expects the members to suck it up and shut up.
There must be at least 95% of us that can see that.....except our honourable MP still thinks we haven't the brain power to decide this for ourselves.

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95% eh? His message must finally be coming through.:D

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It was 95% wasn't it? Tell me I haven't got it wrong.

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Oh yes, that was the accurate figure that he plucked from his randomiser program to tell us how many aren't capable of deciding on a referendum for the EU.
as for you getting it wrong? Impossible, you are obviously one of the 16.5% remaining that he thinks is capable of deciding.

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this was posted by graham jones on facebook hyndburn chat

he accused a couple of people in that conversation of misleading the public

now i dont know what the definition of misleading the public is but when a person standing for election to be a MP gives strong indication that he is in favour of a referendum and states in his own words on this very website that he thinks the only fair way to decide the issue of the EU is to have a referendum then after getting elected votes against us getting a referendum id say if anyone is guilty of misleading the public it is himself

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Accyman, he obviously feels that there is strength in numbers.
Many of those currently sitting in the POW have mislead the electorate, and not just over the EU...but expenses, alleged child abuse, tuition fees.same sex marriage.......the list goes on and on.
Maybe they think it constitutes custom and practice.

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I remember him posting similar on here about it being on mori, I searched...

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Searched...

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Asked him to put a link to any poll that showed 95%.


Still waiting

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Probably will be waiting for a very long time.

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Each month every EU country pays its dues and after the annual inspection the Commission informs each country an amount is either owes or is owed, negotiations are conducted and a final figure is agreed upon. It's absolutely ridiculous for the EU Commission clerks under the new Commissioner to refer back twenty years to 1995 and re calculate the figures again for every year since, but this time with the inclusion of the "riches" gained from prostitution and the black market!

I'm glad Cameron blew his top and hope he sticks to his guns. I had a similar experience in the 90s when a new tax inspector announced that he'd examined the accounts for every year from when I was in Oak Street and "Chinner" (China) Street in the 1970s and he then quoted an extremely exorbitant sum of 20 years unpaid back tax plus he wanted interest. He didn't get it, what he got was his ears pinned back.

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Which of the above riches was the taxman trying to get you to pay for?
Prostitution or the black market.
:confused:

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:signntme::s_bubble:

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Good to quote Ken Clarke's contribution in Parliament yesterday
“May I sympathise with the Prime Minister in being taken by surprise on a subject which everybody in the Treasury must have known was coming for the last five months?”
No safety even from his supposed friends there then.
For more information check out Nicky Morgan's letter written back in March which pointed out that the Treasury was alert to the probability of an increased demand from Europe.

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No 'Friends' in business or politics...only colleagues opposition and competitors...and they all want to get one over on you.

Personally, I would be giving them the message that the money would be paid in full once a signed off audit of the EU budgets was available and presented with the demand.

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True. But whatever spin you want to put on it, 1.7 billion is still 1.7 billion ... we are not talking nickles and dimes here.

Not that I should really give a damn ... after all, it ain't my tax dollars ... but the idea that the krauts get money is annoying. After all, didn't we spend enough on those sonsabitches in the last century? Bullets, bombs and battleships don't come cheap.:rolleyes: And blood is priceless.

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Absolutely. The pontificating by EU budget officers about 'having no choice but to pay' on TV over the last few days has been irritating.

You have come up with the perfect retort to them.

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It irritates me that the EU seem to want to belittle all the efforts of the Uk to sort out the economy......Christine Lagarde( head of the IMF) said the measures put into place would never work.
It also irritates me that those countries who were told to get their act together with relation to their financial affairs have not done so, but are getting a rebate for their lack of action.

Never mind if Labour are elected in May next year, the situation will be one where we get a rebate too...because they will spend money that we haven't got.

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Not quite sure this belongs here, but still! It's not just Europe whinging & wanting, looks like our self serving politicoes are just as adept at screwing Joe Public & the Country even further into the shiite with their latest plan! The 146 Winkers! :mad:

BBC News - Bid to scupper bill on 0.7% foreign aid pledge fails

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That's £11.5 billion! Actually, because selling drugs and prostitution now count as part of the GDP(???) it will probably be £12.5 billion!
Makes the £2 billion extra for the NHS seem small beer.
Our Tornadoes are that old and short of modernising and maintenance the RAF need a fleet of 8 to keep 2 in the air each day- and all 8 have to be worked on night and day.
Still, it's going to a good cause- foreign politicians Swiss bank accounts.
A good job it's only money and we can afford it.
Does anyone every ask the public what they want? Oh, sorry, I forgot we're a Democracy!

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Have read in todays paper, The Lib-Dems want it inscribed in Law, that Foreign Aid cannot ever be reduced.:mad:

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Is it me or our MPs who live in Cloud Cuckoo Land? As a country we have more often than not imported far more than we have exported, which means we do not have any money! The only cash the government in its coffers is borrowed from International Lenders.

As with most Brits, I have Toy Town Money in my bank as does every other ordinary person. We are all spending Toy Town Money every time we buy food, a car, a house, or furnishings for the house.

How can any British government which is living on loans think it's okay to give ANYTHING to foreigners who we know stashes it away in "off shore" banks.

There's 31 pages of bumph, and then you come to the nitty gritty of our massive Imports less our modest Export Values here:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_295724.pdf

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It is easier now we have Monopoly money - one hand tremble on a key board adds a few noughts. That wasn't posible with £sd.
We also got cheated when they began to use percentages for pay rises. I recall when rises were announced in £sd. Percentage rises gives bigger increases to those who already have most.

World finance is a big Monopoly game - there are limits to how much governments dare to screw the population, because revolution is no longer a rare event. Those with most will lose most, and those with nothing have nothing to lose ;)