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Seen on news that these people "COULD" be banned from returning fer up to 2 years,:mad:It also says that these are the toughest santions in Europe.:rolleyes: Well unless i'm dense, this is nothing but "Pathetic"? If they are seen then to be good boys,then they can come back, As far as i'm concerned these people should NEVER be let back, no matter what crap they use fer excuses, Am i being unfair or what?:rolleyes:

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Like you, I believe that if someone disowns the country where they grew up in, in favour of a country they are prepared to take up arms for, they should not be allowed back on any terms.
They should assume the citizenship of their chosen nation.....their passports revoked.
Though apparently this would render them 'stateless' and this is illegal......but they have chosen to be thus.....it wasn't ever something that the UK thrust upon them....it was something they chose to do...so I think the rules about statelessness need to be revised to cover such issues.

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Hang em high, the sooner the better.

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They may realise they have made a terrible mistake and genuinely want to return (possibly stopping others from being radicalised in the future),are you saying the best way to deal with the disillusioned youth is to disillusion them further by 'forcing them to stay and fight'?

I think 2years is 23months too long give them a couple of weeks on the naughty step :D

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No ... quite restrained actually ... I expected something along the line of public hanging, drawing, and quartering ... you must be getting soft in your dotage:D

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You're trolling again.

Ban them forever.If you catch them sneaking back try them for treason- Assisting an enemy state(IS says it is a state) whilst not a member of our armed forces.
Unfortunately treason doesn't have the death penalty any more.

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on the other hand they may be return as recruiting sargeants for their cause....or they may be returning to wreak horror over in this country...the country they dislike so much that they left it to fight for a regime which is so barbaric that it murders people of their own faith.......are you saying that you want to take that risk?

Because I do not. I don't want to hang them.....I just don't want them to be able to come back and take the freedom that they enjoyed in this country, for granted.
I do not want them to be able to access health care at no cost...I do not want them to be able to access benefits....and I do not care if they have paid into them. The moment they signed up with a foreign force is the moment when they signed away all of those rights.
We, in this country, are just too soft....too tolerant...too forgiving.

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Unfortunately Gordon, the majority of comments in this thread are going to be by the ukip brigade and that reasoning is no better than the disillusioned youth that are going to fight imo.

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Hand them over to the Kurds ... that'll get them out of the whey:hidewall:

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As far as I know no member of UKIP', or this forum, has been filmed taking pleasure in hacking someone's head off. Nor accused of massacring hundreds of people. Or blowing themselves, a large lorry and a large number of people up.

Our 'disillusioned youth' have, and appear proud of it.

These aren't 'disillusioned youth'. They are brain washed jihadists and could well bring their madness home with them.

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Sorry yer even more stupid than i imagined.:rolleyes: and that takes some doing.

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Jason, I think you are deluded if you cannot see that the people who are going abroad to fight are a danger to not just this country, but the whole world.
They do not even respect those who share the Muslim faith.
In any case it has nothing at all to do with religion, but everything to do with exerting power over those who are less powerful.
They want to rule by terror.
I do not ally myself to any political faction.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

You can't be serious ...

Come to think of it, you probably are:rolleyes:

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I think a lifetime ban on these traitors from coming back to our country will be more of a deterrent to any other 'disillusioned' youths thinking of doing the same. These treacherous scumbags will come back spreading their poison and acting like heroes to their peers. They chose their own path in life, the door should be slammed behind them and bolted firmly.

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They shouldn't even be allowed off the transport but held in place until the transport heads back to where ever it came from, They've given allegiance to a "Foreign State" & in all probability killed & maimed others willingly to further the cause of their new leaders.

That being the case they have no place within our society, by their acts & willingness to go against the UK's principles they've forsaken any rights they may have had.

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Sweeping statement from someone who usually plagiarises the words of others whilst claiming them as their own..

Sweeping statement from someone who decries the reasoning of others on this forum, whilst giving no logical argument or statement of his own personal belief to counter the original post.

You are NOT in the least bit amusing, you are NOT the voice of reason, you are NOT the voice of political correctness, you are NOT even a troll...you are simply one of those idiots who trawls the internet forums looking for somewhere that you can pretend to be educated and thoughtful...and..

You are failing miserably...

Sweeping statement from someone who places his trademark inane emoticon at the end of an incendiary post so that he can backtrack and claim it as a joke.

I'd love to see you in a pub with a relative of a beheaded victim pontificating about sitting a supporter of the culprit on the naughty step for a month.

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There's quite a few presumptions in your erroneous analyse G :D

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Actually they are observations..made over many months...

Then again I'm open to you showing me how you don't steal other peoples work, pointing me to a post you've made using your own words about evidencing your beliefs or a post where someone actually laughed at your emote.

And, grammar police alert, the plural is 'analyses'..if you are going to try to be clever....get it right!

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They may be "observations" but they are erroneous none the less,I could show you how your incorrect but I won't bother,I'll just let you (and others) make their assumptions.....


...Congrats on being a member of the pedant police :p

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Nonetheless is a single word by the way....and there are no assumptions necessary when the evidence is plain to see for everyone..

..right down to your last two replies which both contained the trademark inane emoticon

Keep digging

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you're

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why won't you bother to show us that we have you pegged wrongly Jason?
You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by showing us that we are wrong.....and I for one would like the opportunity to see why we are wrong and apologise for my wrongly held assumptions.

I have absolutely no problem at all in accepting that not everyone will have the same opinions that I have......I respect the right for you to hold other opinions to those that I cherish......it is what makes this country so tolerant and accepting of others.

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Winters kicking in,Is there any chance I could bask in the glow of one our superior members self righteousness?
For the record,(I believe) its the west (mostly the U.S. and it's lapdog known Britain) who are the real terrorists and a threat to the rest of world [insert "trademark emoticon"].

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I have nothing to lose or gain by proving anything M, I'm a member on other forums as well as Accyweb and sometimes I copy and paste my comments from each forum especially when discussing the same topics but that's here nor there.
I admit, I have stole other folks comments (it's easier sometimes due to me struggling to type on this ruddy phone).

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No, but you can freeze in the winter of all your superior members discontent.

As for your second paragraph - you'd get in the Guinness Book of Records for talking bull.

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so you believe that we the members of Accyweb are self righteous....and that we are to blame for the barbaric IS regime....that we are to blame for the sh1t pit that is the political scene in the middle east do you?
That we are the terrorists? Try telling that to Allan Hennings wife.....a lowly taxi driver who was out in Syria delivering humanitarian aid...along with Muslim colleagues(also taxi drivers).
Try telling that to the people these men have committed genocide against...Oh you can't because they were murdered for holding firm another faith.

I don't know if you remember that many people were against going to war in the middle East...there were demonstrations against it in London (and other large cities) but Tony Blair wanted to go down in the history books...and so for his hubristic ideals...and perhaps to curry favour with the US that is what happened......I do not recall one member of Accyweb being involved in this decision.....in fact I think at the time, many of us felt that this was going to open a can of worms.

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I think you are wrong Jason...you can gain reputation...or change reputation.
If you do use something from another site then it is courteous to attribute it to where ever the quote was taken from......even if you use your own comments made on another site, it is good to say that that is what you have done.
It is an honest way to post.

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Do I think we are to blame for the "sh1t pit"? Partly to blame,yes.
Do I think we fall under the definition of a terrorist? Yes.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again "I don't have all the answers" but I can see things from the other side a concept that 'some' members find hard.



I know what your saying M,but I (sadly) enjoy folk making judgments about who I am and what I'm about.
I may well be a "troll" but I think we all have the potential to be a troll to some degree,it's just a matter of prospective.i'll bare your comment in mind for any future comments I may post :)

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It ain't gonna happen Margaret, there will be legal challenge on legal challenge going on for months.
Remember the problems we had deporting al Mahsri and Quatada?
The courts will be clogged up and the fat cat lawyers will get fatter.

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Of course it isn't going to happen.
That is not to say that it shouldn't happen.
This is just another of those political soundbites that are meant to bamboozle the electorate into thinking that those in government are doing something...that they are listening to the concerns raised by the public.
Most of us recognise hogwash when we see it.

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I cannot get your terrorist angle........nor really the partly to blame(except that the electorate put someone in power who was good at manipulating information(telling lies is what all politicians do...but this man took it to a whole new level).

It is definitely sad that you enjoy people making adverse judgements about you....you see I am so transparent that I cannot tell it any other way than the way it is(or the way I perceive it to be).....but hey if that sits well with you then it has to be Ok......I really would not want people thinking I am a complete plonker...but then maybe that is because I use my real name and my identity is clear for all to see.
Oh and just because you believe something does not necessarily make it true.

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if memory serves correctly the papers have on a few occasions printed articles on how young british born muslims from blackburn and accrington have gone to fight against our soldiers or been to training camps for alquida in pakistan.Unless they openly state that they are going to train to fight or fight i dont know how they are going to figure out who is going to fight and who is visiting family.Im guessing they are checking facebook status updates such as " imran is currently in a jihadismship "

they still havnt mamaged to track down a british muslim called john yet who did that beheading so it dosnt really put any confidence out there that they are capable of tracking terrorists or catching them

mind you it will be interesting if a hynburn muslim gets refused re-entry into the uk if only to see which side HBC comes out in support of

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'we' is plural. Should be 'terrorists'.
I've.
Comma before 'a'.
Perspective.
I'll.
Bear. I'm sure neither Margaret nor I wish to see your bare mind, never mind the rest of you!

I've finally found something worth looking for on your posts!:D:D:D:D

I do hope you won't think I'm being pedantic.

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Well done, yet again you prove yourself to be a complete waste, IF you can see anything it is not a concept, it is a dream of having intelligence.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with you posting, I only have a problem with you posting contrary sh1t just because you can.

Here I can tell you you are not a troll, you are far worse, you have learnt (no doubt from the sites you are banned from) to keep your trolling below the moderators radar, good for you, bad for the WWW.

prospective? What is prospective?

I'll allow you to correct one of the minor error's you naturally make.

You really did start off with potential, you could have been popular, instead you have become the complete inverse, but then, you don't mind, you would rather be the fool that you are than put effort in and become a really good poster.

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I'm not sure of the logistics of Cameron's proposals, or of its effectiveness. For instance, suppose the perpetrators of a terrorist attack in the UK had come from another country and had been apprehended. After serving whatever sentence they were given, what if their own state refused to take them back? I certainly wouldn't want to keep them here.
Perhaps a detention camp -one that adheres to some internationally acknowledged legal system, unlike Guantanamo did- would be an option for proven insurgents involved in foreign struggles? Then again I suspect that certain governments would have used such facilities to house returning International Brigade members in the 30's.
I think that the proposal of this measure is almost totally an attempt to fool the gullible into thinking that the current government are being proactive in this area. It is getting closer to election time after all.
This is coming from the same mob who withdrew funding from existing PREVENT strategies here in Leeds and probably many other strategies immediately after being elected. Root and branch monitoring of suspected and known extremist mosque and madrasah preachers and legal action being taken against ALL hate crime proponents would, I feel, be more effective in the long term, even if it would be somewhat more costly in the short run.

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John 8:7;)

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See post 31.......I think along exactly the same lines...and am not fooled for a moment.

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I meant perspective L, I thought your super intelligence would of been able to work that out (the joys of autocorrect).:rolleyes:

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have

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Why should I have to put effort into thinking about what you mean when it is obvious that you never put any effort into thinking before you post?

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If you read Sheridan, it's a malapropism; if you prefer Shakespeare, a dogberryism. And if you prefer baseball to literature, it's a Yogi Berra-ism.;)

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AccyE doesn't do malapropisms. He just gets it wrong.

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Who is it that is actually brainwashing Muslim youth in the UK, turning them from supposedly peaceful, law abiding members of the community into baying, bloodthirsty terrorists ready to stop at nothing in committing the foulest, deadliest of deeds. Get hold of the brainwashers and put them where they can't poison the minds of the youth.

And why not do some 'brainwashing' of our own? Get among the Muslim youths, show them the sickening crimes perpetrated by ISIS and their ilk, and emphasise the treatment they can expect when they come running back to the safety of the UK.

If they believe the poisonous lies of the ISIS brainwashers, it shouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility to 'brainwash' them with the truth.

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By Gad, sir, we're British. We don't do brainwashing.
We do Human Rights, multiculturalism, tolerance and crawling to what is now a large block of voters.

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Proverbs 13:16 :D

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We can show them all we want......they can easily access the barbaric acts on you tube...so it isn't as if they do not know what they are going to be involved in......but because it is in the name of Allah, it is considered honourable.....laudable even to become a martyr for their so called faith.

And truth....well isn't that a movable, flexible thing depending on who is using it and for what purpose.
After all, Tony Blair would have had us believe that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that could be on our shores in 45 minutes.
I am not getting at you when I say this....but I do not think your solution has legs.
It appears to me(and I could be wrong here) that Muslims are Muslims first to the exclusion of all patriotism.....although they have been nurtured here, educated here, had all the freedoms to do what ever they wished....they despise our way of life.
If that is the case then let them go, but do not welcome them back.

I have read somewhere that there are young Muslim men who went out to fight with IS and now would dearly love to return, but their IS commanders threaten to murder them if they leave to come back to their families here.

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Only a few of them...we have our own Christian version in our town and no doubt other towns have the same Logan clone.

Newspapers jump on the small number of British born jihadists, like they jump on the small number of NHS cock-ups and small number of care home abuse cases, using banner headlines to whip up controversy, ignoring the good stuff, like the Muslim run food bank in Blackburn and the excellent care provided by the majority of local nurses and carers.

Even though you are an educated woman who has been around the block a few times, who knows the value of diversity and knows that you can't lump everyone under a single label....you just did.

I'd argue that it's an emotive subject and sometimes our emotions get in the way of reason....

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The joys of Google. I can look up a Biblical quote without having to find a bible and leafing through it.

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So; Proverbs would explain this:;)

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You could always ask Kevin.:D

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I'm bored of using Google to feel offended :D

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It only takes one Muslim jihadist with the desire to inflict harm, and a bomb strapped to his chest to make a mark.....to kill people they have lived and worked amongst.
As for the Christian extremists......well when did you last hear of one of them blowing up a building full of people(Ireland doesn count).
Yes I have been around the block a few times, yes I do have experience of life.....educated? Well, not as much as I would like to be, but I am working on that.
As for being able to see the values of diversity....perhaps I was once.....that was when people seemed to be much more tolerant and less of a threat.
Now I think that the price of diversity might not be worth the effort.......and this is purely my own view, based on what I can see in my daily life.

I have said many times, I have nothing against those who come here to make a better life for themselves.....those who wish to contribute to the fabric of 'Britain in a positive way are welcome.
What we do not need are those incomers who want to make Britain into a satellite of their home nation.....those who do not integrate, those who do not learn the language spoken here.
If you cannot speak the language then you cannot integrate.

During my time in the NHS I came across women who had been in this country for two decades.....and more.....they spoke no English.

So thank you for giving me the soft rebuke, but it is not necessary.
These are my own opinions and I am keeping them until I can see that things have changed....when that happens my opinions will be adjusted accordingly.

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Of course it is an emotive subject.
Did your father or your grandfather fight for this country? Did they make a difference to the freedoms which are enjoyed in this country?
Wasn't their aim to ensure that people could worship the religion that they believed in without fear of being persecuted.
Do you think that freedom is available in the Middle East?
It matters not whether ten jihadis go to support IS....or ten thousand. They have renounced the freedoms which they had here.....they were free to go to the mosque of their choice.....no one forced them to renounce their faith...or to covert to a religion in which they had no choice and no belief.
They have gone abroad to support a barbaric regime which commits genocide......which gives peaceful tribes 12 hours to convert to their brand of Islam or be beheaded.
Isn't this fascism? What our fathers and grandfathers fought to eradicate.
But maybe my emotions are getting in the way of my reasoning....and for this I make absolutely no apology!

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Not quite as bad, but to me not far off, is the fact anything like this, those that represent us are totally silent.:mad: not got the guts to comment, in case it causes damage to their own ends imho. yet at least 95% of the public ive spoken too,are of the same mind!!!(its more actually,but that seems to be the popular figure)

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There is news that these IS Jihadis have killed another aid worker.....Peter Kassig. They have posted a video of his barbaric murder and they have threatened to murder other Syrians.......Rule by terror.
They are also promoting the idea that Muslim men should get a knife or a gun and murder someone in uniform...and if there is no-on in uniform just to kill a member of the public........so that is how it goes.

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What galls me is that those moderate Muslims do not stand up to be counted.
They do not appear to be making any kind of stand against this brand of Islam.
The parents of a young man who went to fight and was killed seem to think it was the responsibility of the government to step in and stop their son from going.
If this young man was radicalised by the Mosque or the madrassah then wouldn't his family have know this?
Or maybe he wasn't radicalised in that way.....maybe it was through watching internet stuff....but don't parent have some sort of responsibility in all this?
Yes, I do know that you cannot be in your children's lives 24/7.......but surely you can give them the moral compass to guide them.

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Some do, a minority i have no doubt, But the Media choose NOT to highlight the fact imho.

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The thing is Cashy, I do not see Muslim men and women with placards anywhere that saying 'Not in my name'...and if you stay silent then you are complicit.
It needs to be called from the top of every mosque in the land......that the behaviour of IS in not what Islam is about.
I don't want to read it in the papers......the paper and the media have their own agenda.
I want to hear it from the Muslims that I see walking about. I want to know that, they too, are appalled by the barbaric behaviour of these terrorists.
I won't hold my breath.

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Some say Isis (formally known as mujahideen) was
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lZD4ezDbbu4

How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

How's that reap what you sow song go again :hidewall:

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Your wall still isn't big enough
so what you are saying is that what the IS regime is doing is right?
What about the Yadzidi tribe......what did they do to deserve being murdered?

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ah...... Counterpunch...that left wing radical monthly American journal.
Who is Gurikai Chengdu?

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Probably had an average age of over 65, no wonder he would condone it!

I believe his new signature will be the following:-

Cull them all!

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No, what I'm saying is, when you arm,fund and train a group of folk to kill you can't whinge when they do just that.
Isis are evil but the US isn't far behind them (In fact their probably way ahead) imo.
No one deserves to be murdered (well apart from a few sexual offenders perhaps).

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No, the above is what you have just said, what you actually said is:-


Which leaves your meaning open to many interpretations THAT is why you felt the need to hide behind a wall.

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but you are relying on a media source for your information.
Media sources have one thing in common and that is to present information with their own slant on it to sell their publication.
We cannot change what has happened in the past. We cannot even change what happens in the future(because the future shifts just as you think you have a hold on it) we can only change what is happening now.
Your posts to this thread sound like apologists for those who have left these shores to fight for a foreign state, against us...almost condoning their actions and that, I find incomprehensible...especially in the light of the news coming out of Syria that another aid worker has been barbarically butchered for propaganda reasons.

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Wonder if hes ever considered ISIS are quite happy that complete knobheads are blaming the western world fer em beheading innocent aid workers?:rolleyes:

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Dont we all?

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The "complete knobheads" are the ones who think the western worlds armies are any better than Isis imo C ;)

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Yer very similar to n alcoholic, the last to recognize.:rolleyes:

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It should be obvious ... indeed it is obvious ... that the greatest threat to world stability is militant Islam. (And the most dangerous potentially rogue state is Pakistan.) Fortunately, the world oil "picture" is changing. The U. S. of Eh is becoming less and less dependent on oil from the Middle East, and the Arab oil producers, and OPEC in general, can no longer threaten to "turn off the tap" as they did in '73. With the increase in US production and the probable approval of the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada to America, there will be a secure and adequate supply of oil to this continent. Bottom line is, we won't have to kiss Saudi ass any more. We can move to a position of "screw you and the camel you rode in on".

We can only hope that "peaceful muslims" will smarten up and condemn outright and unequivocally jihadists and the extremist Imams who encourage and radicalize muslim youth to take up arms against the decadent West ... you know, the place that gives them all the benefits of democracy, and provides them with a home that is not a medieval shiite hole. Of course, I ain't holding my breath on this last bit.

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I am glad you aren't holding your breath.....because I reckon the wait will be a long one.

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i can think of one person who is going to make a hell of a lot of money from people refused re-entry to the uk

tony blairs wife would have been licking her lips at the thought of all the money she will screw out of the legal aid system when this news was announced

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Just read a piece on CBC website ... I'm not going to bother to put in a link; you can find it if you wish ... about Canadians joining the Kurds to fight against ISIS. There is some concern that the volunteers could face prosecution because the Kurds may be committing war crimes. Here goes: "Kurdish forces have been accused of violating international law. On more than one occasion, they have presented prisoners to journalists to be interviewed on camera. That is a violation of the Geneva Convention." Mmmm .... let me think about this .... Now, all ISIS does is haul their prisoners before the cameras, politely, and with great delicacy remove their heads, and post the videos on the net. I think I have to spark up another one and give some more thought to heinous Kurdish war crimes.