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Cameron says we will get a EU referendum in 2 years

do we think it will happen

everyone seems down about a tory victory but if this referendum happens at least theres some good out of it

it was never going to happen under labour and may not even happen under tory but at least they seem to be offering it for now

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It might happen, but this doesn't mean that David Cameron is obligated to follow the wishes of the electorate if they voted 'NO'......he could just ignore the result.

It should not be in 2 years, we will be ever deeper mired in directives from Brussels by then.
We should have been voting yesterday......save all the expense of another ballot.......and who knows the turnout for the general election might have been even better.

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Offering is one thing, delivering is another! And I seem to recall, we've been here before with call me Dave!

Cynical, sceptical, moi? :rolleyes:

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I have NEVER trusted a Tory since Harold McMillan stood up in parliament and said Kim Philby was not the 3rd man and was innocent,:rolleyes: It was the old "jobs fer the boys" and support the university boys.:( Philby it turned out was responsible for the deaths of 100s.

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Everyone?? What about the 11.3 million who voted for them??

I'm sure there'll have to be a referendum but we've got to think politician talk here.
Will you be able to put a cross against 'In' or 'Out' or will there be some clever wording which leaves your vote open to interpretation, manoeuvre, misinterpretation?
I'm not a politician but how about 'Are you satisfied David Cameron has achieved a satisfactory negotiation with the EU? Yes or No'.
I'm sure the Tory think tanks will do better than that.

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You must get that trait from me son!

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I just don't trust politicians of ANY persuasion.
None of them have our interests at heart.

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Oh i agree, but covering for a man responsible fer many many deaths, go's beyond that imho. The covering would never have been if a working class chap had been responsible.

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I am pretty sure that the indiscretions(or crimes as some of us tend to think of them)of Tony Blair can come close to that.....and still he proclaims himself to be innocent.

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And Tony's score still goes up by hundreds a day.

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No doubt about that either, Blair should to me be charged wi war crimes, but he betrayed the public to me, Philby betrayed his country.

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Yes, they do because he(with his ill thought out actions) de-stabilised the Middle East.
Yet he is supposed to be the Middle East Peace envoy.
Peace! Huh.....he wouldn't know peace if it jumped up and bit him on the bum.
This egomaniacal man is only interested in making his millions and going down in history books.
He WILL go down in the history books but for all the wrong reasons.

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:oTony Blair betrayed the country too....by not listening to the public....who demonstrated in their tens of thousands over the conflict......and even if he hadn't betrayed the country, men, women and children lost their lives for his hubristic ideals......and the reputation of the country in international circles went down in spades.

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Any man who lies to Parliament and the public and by those lies involves their country in a war which costs many thousands of lives and billions of pounds is betraying that country.

As for Philby, I doubt if at that point McMillan or any of those who should have known actually did know what had been going on.

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Agree in principle about trusting the Torys but even a PM can only act on information supplied to him at the time....

MI6 had 'blind faith? in Kim Philby for years after Soviet agent fears - Telegraph

It's like some Labour guy making a statement about 95% of the people not caring about being in Europe after being told this by an unpaid intern (who would love a zero hours contract where he would be paid for hours worked)..and then mysteriously refusing to comment once its discovered as total manure..and probably one of the main reasons that so many voters nationally told his party to go screw themselves

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Oh yes there will be a referendum, it will however be worded in a manner that makes you feel silly if you don't vote the way they want you to.

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I'm sure it will.

I'm also sure that the EU will cobble together a series of sweeteners that will enable Cameron to come back from Brussels waving a piece of paper saying he's got the concessions he wanted.

The Establishment machine will then roll into action. We'll be recommended to vote to stay in the EU, and the press bandwagon will begin brainwashing the Great British public into being pro Europe.

The only voices of dissent will be from UKIP, a few right wing Tory MPs and the Daily Express. They will be steam-rollered.

George Osborne is well known to be a friend of big business. I can't believe that big business will allow George and call-me-Dave to take us out of the EU.

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I think you are right on all points.....but if the electorate voted to pull out then there is absolutely no obligation legal or otherwise for David Cameron to take one jot of notice of what the electorate wants.

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[QUOTE=Guinness;1140506]Agree in principle about trusting the Torys but even a PM can only act on information supplied to him at the time....
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That is the premise that we all make decisions on.....the information available at the time.
During the run up to the general election the political leaders all fudged issues, side stepped questions, waffled around discussions.....giving very little relevant information that would allow us to make informed choices on what is best for the country.
I loathe the patriarchal attitude of politicians.....and the more I see of political broadcasts and discussions the less I trust those who govern.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1140512]Worse still is the attitude of our M.P. I'm telling you what is right, how dare you think I'm wrong.

With most things he seems reasonable, but don't ever tell him he's wrong he doesn't like it.

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[QUOTE=Less;1140517]dont forget most of us are too thick to understand the complexity of the EU

i could look up his bio on Wikipedia but i think its pretty safe to assume he dosnt have any qualification or past work history that would make his opinion any better than anyone elses.

thankfully the decision is out of his and his parties hands although it remains to be seen if Cameron will keep his word

the best way to shut anti EU people up is to have a referendum so that if a vote comes in saying to stay in the EU we have to accept the democratic result.

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You mean that we accept duplicity and skullduggery doesn't happen in politics?
Why do we have Expensive MP's when much of the legislation is directed at us from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
Bureaucrats who have no desires to see the UK prosper and do well....they only want to suck money from our pockets and have absolutely no accountability for what they do.

As for those who think that leaving this corrupt club will be the death of business.....we traded with the world long before the EU......the EU buys far less from Britain in goods and services than the rest of the world right now.....we would be in pocket for the money we would no longer have to contribute.....and we would be able to kick out the Eastern European criminals who find rich pickings and soft justice in this country....jail here is like a holiday camp to them.

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[QUOTE=accyman;1140525]That is, unless you're a wee ginger tom! ;)

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Oh it will happen, Thing is Cameron got back in wi more seats, cos he was the one that promised a referendum simple as. Labour were too stupid to see that fact.:rolleyes: The SNP bull was just a blag in my view,but it certainly helped the Tory cause.

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[QUOTE=Less;1140517] Well, he is more intelligent and worldly wise than 95% of us:rolleyes:

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The export figures to the EU are fudged as they include shipments that go to continental ports for onward shipment to non-EU countries.

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[QUOTE=Barrie Yates;1140537]Well as 9154 out of 42887 who voted in Hyndburn, actually voted UKIP, he may just want to ponder awhile on that statement? cos if Labour refuse to wake up, then the UKIP support will only carry on increasing. They got another 5 years to smell the coffee, God help em if they refuse.

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Not really true is it? All voted on by the MEP's we voted in. I don't agree with it though

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The laws and rules are made by the European Council and the European Commission(that's the bureaucrats).
The MEPs aren't involved in deciding or drafting them, they merely vote them in to make it official when they've been presented to them.
That's democracy, EU style.

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the head of the EU isnt elected though so in effect we are been ruled by a dictatorship

nigel farage may have been a bit of a berk but he sure did ask some uncomfortable questions as a Euro Mp including asking the head of the EU who he was because he had no recollection of voting for him or had any idea who he was before he became the head of the EU

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[QUOTE=Barrie Yates;1140537]Barrie, that quote was from Less, but I do concur with every word he said about our elected representative.

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Yes, we do have elected representatives to the European Parliament, but their influence is that of a mosquito bite on the bum of a T Rex.......so insignificant as to be meaningless.
If the EU were a business it would be closed down for fraud. The EU has not had a budget signed off at Audit for almost two decades.
I am not European, I will never be European.
I am British and will remain so until my dying day.

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Thats correct in a nutshell, wonder why we never see any political comment on accyweb about this?:rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1140565]
Don't know how I screwed that up? - my apologies to all:o

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It's because a quote went wrong, best thing is not to quote anything more in the thread until the mods have a chance to sort it.