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New commemorative beer set to go on sale in honour of Hyndburn MP's great-grandfather - Accrington Observer

Now, I have no reason to suppose our M.P.'s Great Granddad didn't do his duty, but, should he be commemorated in any special way? Surely all those that did their duty and therefore made the ultimate sacrifice deserve as much praise?

O.K. we can't name a beer after each and everyone, it would mean that none of us could drink that many beers, I'm sure Graham would agree, that rather than pick out one individual that did something far braver than I for one could do, it should be named after something all of us could raise just the occasional glass that considers all those that died for us?

(Lest we forget).

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There's no technical reason why it can't be done. The name is just printed on the label, after all. Surely it can't be too difficult, or even expensive, to print a different hero's name on each label. As far as stock control computers are concerned, the barcode has the identifying information.

The biggest problem I can see is the numpty who tries to buy another bottle of "Private Thomas Abbott" and can't because the chance of meeting another of his bottles is one in several thousand.

(Only chose that name because it's the first on the list of Accrington Pals.)

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Surely you are then naming a can or bottle after each of the fallen NOT a beer?

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Those beer labels are designed by my daughter Cath from information supplied by me from my WW1 files, she's doing it to create funds for the Pals Centenary in 1916, so far there has been 9 different labels. WHY the sudden comments because some ones grandfather is on a label,
Those Pals Ales have been on sale at the house of commons for near 12 months, My uncle Walter is on one of the labels, he was the last of the original PALS to be killed in action.
Its a pity you lot have nowt else to do, other than critise her efforts to create funds for a good cause.
No wonder folks are deserting this site, she didn't get this responce on Facebook.
Soon there'l be no one left posting other that the football fanatics.

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It's a pity you think I was getting at someone you nowty old beggar, I just think picking individuals isn't the way to go when so many gave their all not a few individuals.

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And that is a problem... why?

I think that for a lot of casual beer drinkers, there's not much difference between one beer and another. For example, I can't tell you the difference between Caffrey's and Bowland Gold even though I've had both in the past. I can't even say with any confidence that I'd be able to say which was which if I had a pint of each in front of me. (Which sounds like a good excuse for a scientific experiment at the local, later.)

Fully agree. Well said.

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MP got face in paper and free advertising for a beer thats proceeds go to charity

at least one good thing came out of it :D

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No wonder I'm a nowry owd begger when folk make daft comments.
Sorry our Cath didn't consult you for your expertise before she started the project.
So we can now look forward to you designing labels for the next batch of Pals Ales. You can post them on here when youve done.
If you go down Warner St you will see some of her other projects in shop windows, pictures of Accrington Heroes.

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I didn't apply expertise, I am using sentiment, all of the fallen gave their lives in the belief it was a just cause worthy of each and every sacrifice, please tell me if it's your research how you choose one name, one task in the struggle they went through that is better than the sacrifice the whole made?
No don't bother, I'll tell you something, no one man that gave his life in that conflict deserves more recognition than any other on a label of 'small beer', no matter how much research, no matter how much design your daughter put into a label, they all died so that we can be free, recognise that not your petty squabble.

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Once again you've shown why so many Accy Webbers have left this site, you can't resist poking at things you know nowt about. Out of the 12000 and some names of Accringon's Heroes in my file she has to pick some one, she' doing it for a reason. which you in your blind abusive manner can't see.
Mick if you read this please remove my name from the members list.

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I'm not poking, I'm putting forward an opinion, you are allowed to disagree with it, however those soldiers died so that I can put forward my sentiments, they tell me it's wrong to pick out individuals to be used for the sale of beer no matter what they did. Not on a moral ground, just because I think each one that died deserves equal recognition. Didn't they die so I can say this?

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Maybe at some point one has to narrow things down. I don't think the fact that there is only one "Unknown Soldier" is an insult to all those lying in graves marked "Known Unto God." Or that the fact we have over here only one disabled child to represent the thousands of poor little sick kids in the Easter Seals campaign is a sign that they are being ignored. I don't consider myself unintelligent; but there are certain things I just can't wrap my head around: the horror of the trenches, the holocaust, the sexploitation of vulnerable kids ... and no doubt anyone can come up with lots more. The single image is a way of getting through that difficulty. Indeed, it may help focus the limited capabilities of the mind to handle the overload of millions of dead.

As a kind of aside, Captain Wilfred Owen of the Manchester Regiment was a keen photographer. He took many pics of the trenches in all their horror. But when he showed these to folks on the home front, they couldn't handle it, and preferred the fiction of glorious battle that the propagandists dished out. He found that short, vivid poems, concentrating on specific, limited incidents, and expressed in metaphor got his message over much more effectively.

By the way, let's not forget the wounded, like the guy who stands as my avatar, Private Albert Ashton of the King's Own, who lived for 30 years after the war; and every breath he drew was a painful reminder of Third Ypres. My own personal hero.

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Retlaw, you know that I have great respect for you and for the work you do, but I do not believe you are such a petty man as to make an issue of this.
Less was just asking if it was right that some men are singled out while others who gave the same for their country(their lives) are not?
It is a valid question. He was not slighting anything that your Cath has designed at all.
I suppose on the plus side what Accyman has said about the publicity is true....and it does bring to mind sacrifices made by men of this area...but don't you think their deeds have been hijacked somewhat for a commercial enterprise?

If you choose to leave Accyweb for something which is so petty, then you are not the man I took you for. Do not take offence where no offence was meant(or at least that is how I construed the original post).
You are a better person than that.....and why do you feel the need to talk down Accyweb?
If it truly is such a bad place then silently walk away from it.....I for one would miss your input.

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Thank you Margaret, I meant no offence to anyone. I leant over backwards in my first post to try not to insult Graham Jones's great grandad, I truely admire what he and others did, I still don't however think anyone out of those men should be put forward for their name on 'small beer', each should be admired for giving their life to make ours safer.
I doubt I could have done the same.

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This is what I first posted, where is there an insult to the pals, Retlaw, or his daughter?
All I said and am still saying is we shouldn't pick any single person from the thousands that died.
When each deserves a label.

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It isn't that they deserve a label, but that each of those brave men gets the recognition that their sacrifice warrants.
Personally, I think to use The Pals as an advertising stunt(because essentially that is what it is) devalues their bravery.
We should always remember them but not in this way to benefit a commercial venture

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Margaret.
What got me was his post about the Pals Ales. If it had been anyone else in the Observer other than Grahm Jones nothing would have been said, he just can't resist having a dig.
One thing your wrong about, it is Not a Commercial venture, our Cath is trying to raise funds for the Pals commemoration for July 1st 1916.
There are some events going to take place in Accrington on that date which there is no other way to get funding, she's tried various funding organistations but they are not interested in much outside the Southern Counties. I am also tring to get new panels made for Accrington's War Memorial, there are 14 men named twice, 18 spelling mistake 2 men who did not die, and 9 Accrington Pals missing.
I have also created two books in memory of Bill Turner listing all the Pals Casualties July 1/5th 1916, the numbers bandied about on web sites are miles out, even the Battalion War diaries are wrong. These books are at present with a bookbinder and will be presented to the Mayors of Bapaume & Puisuex on July 1st 2016. All this has come out of my pocket, it hasn't cost the people of Acc anything. I sometimes wonder why I ever bothered to start all this work, when some one who should know better starts making snide comments, no matter how much they deny it. I know he's entitled to his opinions I just wish he would keep them to himself.

Rant over for now.

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So is this beer being given away then...not being sold?
I did not mean that Caths input was commercial, just that the sale of beer is not appropriate to commemorate this brave band of men.

I appreciate that funding is required for events to take place and all power to Caths elbow in doing what she can to raise the public profile.
As for the work you are doing, well it is invaluable and you are to be commended for your efforts.....I really think that you are a star for doing everything you can to keep the flame of their memories alive...we should never forget these men.
Having said that........

I don't think the comments were snide and they definitely were not opinions.....it was a valid question being asked.
I think that offence was taken when none was meant...and it really isn't necessary.

You need not rant because you are speaking to the converted.

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I can see both sides of this argument..

Thing is.. if Walters lass had designed a label for Gunner Fred Bloggs Ale…it simply would not have got any publicity at all.

I’m always up front in having a go at our MP on here, twitter and facebook, but in this case, it’s a smart publicity move…MP gets a cute photo op and the fund gets a nice little boost..

However, this debate has shown me my ignorance….I thought we’d done the centenary in 2014.

Why is 2016 so significant? Because to be totally honest this is the first I’ve heard of a 2016 remembrance or that money is needed to make it happen…..

And how do I contribute a coupla quid to the fund?

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I could be wrong...and I am sure that retlaw is the man to give you a definitive answer, but 2016 is centenary of the pals Casualties on the 1-5th of July of that year...in fact it says something like that in Retlaws post number 17.

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July 1st, 1916, centenary of the Battle of the Somme where so many Pals lost their lives.

If you want to contribute to the fund, buy some Pals Ale, mate. It's crackin' stuff and you'll be helping a good cause!

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Singleton's Cheese are doing something similar. Bought a pack at the weekend of their "Lancashire Pals Cheese" - Tesco or Asda. A picture of one of the Pals on the package with his details, I don't know how many Pals are going to figure in this way. They are donating 5p to SSAFA (Soldiers, Sailors & Air Force Association), for every packet sold - a very worthwhile charity for all serving and retired servicemen and their families.

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A Eck Margaret.
Our Cath came up with this idea to generate funds for the July 1st 2016 commemorations, how the heck can she give it away. No body on that committee, thats supposed to be organising these up coming events has come up with any thing better, and she's now sold a heck of a lot, to keep the interest alive she keeps changing the labels one of them has Bill Turners picture on it, he was'nt a Pal, but without Bill Turners work Accrington would be in deep doodoo next year, all this effort has put Accrington on the World Map. The Accrington Pals were mentioned in a debate in the house of commons, I was sent the pages from Hansard.
We can only try, what else can we do, Cath is open to suggestions.
If any one wants to help they are welcome, just buy the PALS Ale.
The Centenary events in 2014 were for the outbreak of the war in Agust 1914, and when the Pals Battalions were raised.

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Retlaw, that is exactly what I thought.....it is a commercial venture.....the Pals soldiers names are being used as an advertising ploy.
Of course I knew that they were not giving the beer away.....I'm not as daft as I am cabbage looking.
So the battles of these men have been hijacked to make money for a brewer.
They might be giving a donation but to me it devalues the actions of the men who lost their lives....just my personal opinion......and there are other opinions out there to be had.

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How pathetic, millions of men have died so that we can speak freely.
I spoke freely, you seem to be protesting against that freedom in favour of a commercial publicity stunt just because it involves your daughter.
The pals and all others involved in this conflict died to allow me to speak freely, not so that their memory would be exploited 100 years later in a cheap promotion for 'small beer'.

If you feel slighted by my comments that is your problem not mine, I didn't start the thread to have a dig at anyone but you seem to have taken it to heart and are trying to blame me, AccyWeb and anyone that may show an inclination to agreeing with my comments, which thanks to the very same sacrifices of those brave men you are entitled to do, I however do not need or desire their memory to be used in some commercial publicity stunt. Death made them equal and equal is how I will remember all the fallen.

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Why the negativity about beer and soldiers? I'm sure almost all of them would have enjoyed a beer so whats the problem.

It's a fund raiser, those who don't like the fact it's beer but would like to help with the fund raising can walk up to Cath at the food festival or the other many places places she sells it and just give her the money without taking the beer?

I don't care who they stick on the bottles but if our MP's great grand father creates free publicity and more sales then it was a good idea.

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I admire your work.

I don't give a stuff what you think of me when you imagine a slight, however if you would care to call in to the Railway at some time I am more than willing to give you £100 towards the expenses you have had with your project.

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Neil it is commerce masquerading as charity support.
I am also sure that these soldiers would have enjoyed a beer (or two) that does not mean that they would like their deeds to be used for commercial ends...to make a fat profit for the brewers.

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According to the Observer article:
"Another Accrington Pals beer named ‘Lest We Forget’ will also go on sale at the Strangers Bar at Westminster between June 30 and July 5"

Resisting the obvious punning of the name.
We can all raise a glass of this brew in unison to those unfortunate souls without fear, favour, controversy and upset.

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No masquerading at all. The brewery were approached, more than one if I remember correctly, they brew the beer which they don't do obviously for free and it is sold with all profits going in the pot for the event.

You don't complain about the poppy appeal being commerce masquerading as charity support

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But is the poppy appeal business masquerading as charity?
Doesn't more of that money go to those it is supposed to help?
I just think it is a cynical advertising ploy.....Now whether that is just my anti cynicism pills wearing off, I'm not sure.
I don't drink beer, but I would give a donation if say there was a stall in the market hall that had a collection box and perhaps some information about the young men who lost their lives.....heaven knows that should be possible to organise.

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The way i see this, is all soldiers were equal no doubt at all, Any business producing anything expects not to lose money, no doubt yon either, The fact that our MPs grandad is on the bottle, with him being a public figure who all are aware of, no doubt yon either, Then its more likely to produce "More" revenue for the cause, than if it was my grandad, damn sure thats fact also. I also don't grasp how anyone can't see this?:confused:

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It will also produce more revenue for the brewer....and the government in duty.

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You could offer your services to Retlaw's daughter and organise it yourself.

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I don`t understand the arguement about the brewery, OK you don`t drink beer so what if it was something you did use? What if it was something like washing up liquid? You go to your usual shop, and in there they sell two brands, both equally good at doing their job but one is donating all it`s profits to a good cause (obviously taking out production costs and wages etc.) the other is keeping all the profits to itself, which would you buy?

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Amen to that, brother.:alright:

I doubt very much that I'll be able to get it over here. But on the first of July, I'll hoist a few to the memory of my grandad, who fought on the Somme.

Come to think of it ... and this shouldn't get lost in the noise of petty bickering ... this year is it for the big commemorations. In 2116, if humans are still around on this [deleted]ed up planet of ours, the Somme will be ancient history. All power to Retlaw and those like him who work so diligently to make sure that that history is accurate. There are fewer and fewer of us left who actually knew men who fought on that day, in whatever regiment.

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Don't understand where you're coming from, Margaret. You say it's a "masquerade" but as far as I can see, those involved in the project have been totally upfront about it - ie, the profits from the sale of the beer will be used for the 2016 commemorations. Secondly, you say that "the battles of these brave men have been hijacked to make money for a brewer". How can it make money for the brewer, if the profits are going to a good cause?

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Isn't that good then? The whole idea is to make money for the commemoration event and if this advertising works then well done to all involved. The label design isn't chosen by the brewery.

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Well said Eric I knew a lot of ex WW1 Heroes when I was growing up, when we were at that age all our non relatives were referred to as Aunt or Uncle, and because 2 of my real uncles had fought in WW1 and were well known, I had a lot of pretend uncles, they always rubbed top o me head, and say to my dad, he's the dead spit of your Walter.
Like you I don't think there'l much going on in 2116, the human race will have been wiped out,, or become muslims. I'm teetotal, So raise a glass a glass or two to my Uncle Sam & Uncle Walter & the 226 Greater Accrington Lads who didn't make it through the battle of the Somme July 1/5th 1916.

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Slightly off topic I'm afraid but as the underlying theme of this thread is the commemoration and remembrance of those who took part in WW1 I feel justified in mentioning here this relatively recent initiative by the Imperial War Museum.

https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/

In brief it is an attempt to record as much as possible of ALL who took part, an immense task but they have made a good start with over 7.5 million already listed. Over and above the obvious listing of obvious data (name, rank, unit etc) it is possible to add details of the person's life and also to positively record your remembrance of the person.

I'm mentioning this simply because as yet this project does not seem to be well known, possibly because the IWM wanted a head start to get a substantial amount of data added from the official records in order to get the ball rolling.

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Yes, I could. But having an elderly mother who has returned home from hospital today after a heart attack makes that really difficult, along with the fact that I have a chronically sick daughter who depends on me too.
I am not an inexhaustible resource, and family has to come first...I hope you will understand this.

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Are the brewery donating ALL their profits to the cause?
And the question you posed is a no brainer.

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So the brewer is making nothing out of the sales?
All the profits are going to this cause?

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Accrington Pals Commemorative Ale | The Local Herald

Yes, according to this newspaper article which includes the quote: "our Pals Ale is run by volunteers and all profits supports Accrington Pals small projects."

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I am pleased that all profits are going to the charity, that wasn't clear at the start of the article and I have to say that I am always a bit sceptical about when business does something and says it is supporting a charity.......call me a cynical old baggage if you like...but many times it is trumpeted that a company are helping a charity, but the small print says something like 2p from each item sold donated to ...whatever charity.

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Maybe I will buy a bottle and give my hair a beer rinse :)

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Yes I do. I wish you and your family well. X

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Thank you Michael, it has been a very trying(and worrying) ten days.

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Why has Retlaw got to come to you Less? Get thi'sel to Warner St or Rough Lee Road and lay your money down.

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I think if someone is offering a donation,then it pays to go to them.Especially as others in that fine hostelry might also be prepared to dip into their pockets and come up with a donation.
Even the price of a pint helps.
Many years ago our unit worked on fund raising to buy a baby scanner. We were always pleased to go out and pick up the donations in person and give our personal thanks.
This was in the days before the LET campaigned for the MRI scanner at the Blackburn hospital.

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Thats a stupid question, every time you buy a pin badge or wristband or whatever to support a charity someone is making money out of making them. If such things bother you then put the money in the box and don't take the item. The charities must have found that people like getting these things for their donation so they sell them - technically they don't sell them as that creates technical problems so you make a donation and take one.

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Neil, can't you spot a tongue in cheek comment yet?

I frequently donate and don't take the badge.
I am currently making cards for charity and every penny donated goes to the two cancer charities I support. I take nothing for materials or time...figuring that we all have to pay something for our enjoyment...and I enjoy the craft and the thought that someone is getting something that is a one off.

What I was getting at was, that I felt it wrong, that some commercial organisation was going to make mileage out of The Accrington Pals(whether that be by money or reputation)...and the men who lost their lives in the protection of their country.
My message has not got through...so I give up!

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He's not offering a donation Margaret, just perpetuating the Nash Equilibrium.

* John Forbes Nash, mathematician, born 13 June 1928; died 23 May 2015

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Oh, well that puts me straight then.
I have never heard of Nash.
I must lead a very sheltered life...I wish!

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Tell Ma to get well soon from Christine and Frank

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Will do Frank.....thank you!

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I believe that you are making too much into what's being written instead the actual sentiment. I have not seen anything written that can be construed has being critical to yourself or indeed your family. And has far as asking Mick that if he reads this block then he can take your name off the membership list - if your serious then contact him personally and tell him - what do you want other readers to beg you, not this old codger.

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Suggest you read the full story of the Pals Ale -
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ale-67363.html

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Even if he reads the full story, what Keith says is right.
No one has disrespected/discredited anything that Retlaw or his family has done.

That is not to say that he will not be enlightened by reading the full story of how the project came about.
And that is the story that the Observer should have published.....not the one about Graham Jones Great grandfather and that, (for anyone of a sensitive nature, and there seem to be a lot of those about) is not casting any doubts/aspersions on the bravery of this man.

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Really? I've just been re-reading this thread, and the tone of posts 24 and 25 (as an example) would suggest otherwise.

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Really...you have read into the post something which isn't there. People see what they want to see....if you feel outraged by a comment then you will see something sharp even if the poster was NOT intending the response to be sharp...it is your own feelings that cause you to interpret things in this way.
The Internet is a very difficult medium to get across subtle nuances......when the question was asked......was the beer free?
Retlaw came back with a comment which I replied to.
If something is being sold then that is a commercial venture.......what was not clear in either the article in the paper or in the thread, was HOW the venture came about, and How it was being managed.....if you read my response to Dusty Mears in her enlightening thread which documents ALL those things very clearly then you can see that much of this information was missing.
I do not know how you make decisions on things......I make decisions on the information to hand.....if all the information is not there, or the information is skewed(for whatever reason)then it is fair to say that decision made will also be inaccurate.

My REAL concern was that this was an enterprise being undertaken by a large brewer to maximise profits by using the names and images of the men who fought in this conflict, and donating little to the actual cause.
If that makes me contradictory....or seemingly to 'gob off' rubbish.....or be a 'scrimshanker'.....which, by the way is a naval term for someone who shirks their duty(which to anyone who knows me, is ludicrous), then so be it.
As I said in the other thread....had the full information been available then I would have made NO response, other than to say 'well done'......and wish them every success.
Now, that is it from me. I feel I have adequately and accurately outlined my opinion and thoughts on this subject.

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And I am entitled to my opinion. This is a thread that should have quietly died down, especially after Dusty Mears' thread. Did she feel the need to write the thread because she didn't think her efforts were being disrespected or discredited?

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IU have read the story but am still of the opinion that nothing untoward was said about Retlaw or any of his family. Amen

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Unless I'm missing something, I don't recollect that anything untoward was said about Retlaw and his family. It was more about the rather tasty commemorative ale.

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Having just read this thread, I cannot see anything negative being said about the venture or the efforts of those involved.

IMO Dusty & Walter need to calm down and not take offense at everything people say, also to allow people to say stuff - after all that is what the pals fought for - the right to do so. (Dare I remind Retlaw that he too has posted derogatory comments about others before - pot-kettle-black.)

I do agree that it is a commercial venture if a brewery is involved, even if profits go to a charity.

What I would ask though, is where the heck I in Accy can go and buy some of this beer?
I am afraid that a walk back from the house of commons in Londinium or the West Minster would be a walk too far for me. :)

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Every one keeps rabbiting on about a commercial venture because a brewery is involved.
What the ell are we supposed to to brew it ourselves in a bucket in the back yard. We are talking about 100's of bottles and the glass makers don't work for nowt either.
The labels were done at cost by Caths friend in aid of the Pals, all the pictures on them are from my collection.
Them at the brewery have to make some profit to stay in buisness. My father always told me. "Them asul work fur nowt ull steal, watch em close".
I still don't get why we should have to explain every detail about the Pals projects to all and sundry. Why no comments on the banner on Broadway, Cath and I got our heads together about it 2 years ago, the pictures are from mine and Bills collections.

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The Forts Arms in Clayton has been selling them for ages if you draw a blank there Rainbow6 the Irwell Valley will tell you local stockists or get this'll up there they brew a great range of real ales on draught and well worth a trip.

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I said I had posted my last to this thread....but if you really want to know the answer to your question.....then here goes.
Because Retlaw, the Devil is in the detail....and the Observer must have thought so as they gave very sparse mention to the volunteers...preferring to base the story around a great grandfather of our local MP......when it should all have been about how the enterprise came about....it should have been more about the input of the volunteers, about what they were doing to make such a success of the venture....it is they who should be lauded.....for keeping the legend alive.

I don't know how you make decisions.....surely from the information you have at hand...if that information is incomplete, skewed or biased, then the decisions you make about a subject will be wrong.

I am sure the banner on Broadway has been mentioned more than once, and I know for sure that I put pictures of the banner on here.
When I have been out and about in town I have seen people admiring it, taking pictures of it and complimenting it.......you might not have seen this or heard it, .....you KNOW that you have brought these men to life and to the attention of the town......and that in itself is your reward.

Now that I have said that I am done.

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The Information Desk in the Town Hall has them R6
I got two packs this morning, had to use the old DP charm on the young lady on the desk because it was outside of licencing hours but got them. :)

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Dont understand that "D" thought licensing hours were a thing of the past?:confused:

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Nice of you that, someone does you a favour and you blow them up on a public forum!

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I don't get this. Has DtheP47 done something wrong?

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DP, how much was the beer then?

And have you drunk 8t yet? was it any good?

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By the way Retlaw & family, whilst you may be getting your knickers in a twist over what the rest of us think is nothing, what this & t'other thread have done is advertise the small beer that's been produced & where it can be obtained from.

So there has been & will be a few more sales of it supporting the pals fund.

Have some consolation in that old fella. :)

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there is a stall selling it outside the town hall on the corner across from the tank and jeep today ... dusty is there selling it .. they've been busy .. had to send out for more ale ...

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here you go retlaw .. when I was there for the second time I stood there with my foot on the gazebo stand to stop it blowing away in the wind .. and I was with Mick the first time ...

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Yep I was there and had a chat with graham jones who was there too

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Me too .

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I also popped by.also had a quick sneck at the pals bar just past it.

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Do I really have to explain it? The lady who sold it to him did so outside of licensing hours. She broke the law and the town hall could lose it's license. When someone does you a favour that they shouldn't do and could them them in trouble you don't announce it to the world

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That's what I thought you were getting at, but I just wanted you to clarify it. So, as a moderator why didn't you delete the post? By leaving it in place, it's still being announced to the world via AccyWeb.

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Does it really matter? If you walk into the supermarket at breakfast time to pick up a bacon butty & a cup of tea, you can also wander over to the drinks aisle & pick up a six pack & no one bats an eyelid. In fact, don't even bother with the butty & tea just grab the booze & start your day like a German bricky. Having said that, I can amble into a garage over here & pick up a case of Ale & nothing is said or commented on, funny owd world ain't it? ;)

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Why would I delete it? It wasn't against the rules, just a little unfair on someone

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I don't think it matters no but we still have a few laws in this country

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According to you, it's more than a little unfair on someone. Your post above says she broke the law and the Town Hall could lose its licence. If DtheP47 is up for criticism and his post drops someone in it, why leave the post in place?

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I can't just be deleting posts because I don't agree with them, we have rules and he didn't break one. I think people forget that what they write on here and the internet in general can be seen by anyone.

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Common sense here guys n gals....in short supply on here.
The lady in the Town Hall applied just a bit though in letting me purchase them under the radar.
You have a point though Neil, noted.

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Missed your Q R6
£20 for two packs.
Yes they are nice ales. As I mentioned before the Irwell Brews a nice range of ales both on tap and bottled.