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I'm sure most of you are aware of this non story being run by the sun newspaper:
The Sun

Personally,this latest embarrassment comes as no surprise,being familiar with the history of the royal family and their friendship with hitler back in the day.
I find the public outcry rather amusing,what do you lot think of it?

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Well the Nazi sympathies of Edward the Eighth are already well documented, so what new information does this film give us? The answer is probably, not a lot. It was 1933, long before the full horror of the Nazi regime had become apparent.

A dodgy uncle playing with his nieces and getting them to do something for the camera. I'd be more concerned if it had been filmed 10 years later when the Nazis were the enemy with whom we were ar war. I suspect the gesture had nowhere near the sinister significance in 1933 that it had later.

As for the Sun, their managing director appeared on Sky News to defend publication of the pictures, and his interview was entirely in line with the traditions of his paper.

A grubby little journalist writing grubby little stories to try and sell his grubby little rag.

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Do the England football team still salute the Germans when we play them?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jlbLHviSTPc

I think our Liz suits German attire.
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Probably vetoed by thet republican separatist rupert m urdoch himself. Why Cameron can associated himself with that enemy of the. State i don't know. He supported separation during the referendum. He is a piece of scum.

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This kind of salute was used long before the nazis commandeered it.
In itself it is not offensive.....it has only become offensive as a result of the Nazis using it....it was used in Roman times to show allegiance to the Caesars.
This is a bit of private film, taken at a time before much was known about what was going on in Germany.....it has to be looked at in that context.
I hope the Queens sues the britches off the Sun Newspaper......and wins.
I also hope they find out who provided the Sun with this bit of film.

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That sums it up very well to me Margaret, Personally i wouldn't use that newspaper as toilet roll.

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Unimportant, irrelevant & of no "news" value whatsoever, typical Sun really. :idunno:

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Richard Herring once appeared on HIGNFY with a toothbrush moustache and went on a rant about how something as simple as where you shave can upset many people for no good reason other than "that bad person did it". He had a point, really. It was associated with Charlie Chaplin before that, so it was a widely-used fashion style until Hitler showed up.

It's a bit like the Americans I read about who either go on a rant, buy something else, or run out of a store screaming if their total or change comes to $6.66 - there will always be random stuff to offend people as long as there are idiots in the world - unfortunately we are making it easier for them to survive long enough to breed.

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Me neither......you would end up with a dirtier bottom than if you used no paper at all.

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The really sad thing is that the people who read the Sun will not think about the context of this picture, they won't see the good that has been achieved by members of the Royal family.......and whether we like it or not the Royal family do add to the sum total of the cultural wealth of this country...and they certainly won't consider the upset to a woman who was seven years old when this picture was taken......a PRIVATE picture...something that was for her family, not for publication.

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she could do it today and i wouldnt give a stuff

maybe after they got the memo saying to stop hacking phones they started hacking video archives as a work around ?

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Hitler copied the Chaplin mustache because Hitler was a big fan of Charlie Chaplin..

even though Hitler looked an idiot do you really thing anyone around him wanted to tell him

its a good job flicks wernt deemed as offensive as a toothbrush mustache or the 80's would have been a very dark period lol

oh hang on they were but that was thanks to thatcher not a hair style

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And that's probably the most important point to make. That, and the fact that Her Majesty was a child; and didn't seem to be destined for the throne. But this is a tabloid "news"paper ... for those who like to look at pictures and occasionally figure out a few of the shorter words.:rolleyes:

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It's not the film itself or which paper printed the pictures thats of any interest to me. The interesting thing is who gave this film to the Sun and why they did it. The Sun was probably chosen because it's the biggest selling daily newspaper in the country.

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Yes, you are right Neil......any half decent paper would have given whoever was selling the film the flick....And also reported them to the authorities.

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She may of only been a child at the time and unaware of the implications,that isn't the case for the others present though.
Although I'm anti-royal, I haven't any serious views against her for doing this salute,it was just a bit of fun for her well before Hitler shown his evil side, when most folk (even the royals) believed him to be a half decent chap :eek:

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You're assuming the film was paid for by the Sun and not given to them for someone own purpose. I read that the Sun had the film for a while while they checked it's authenticity and with their legal people before printing the pictures.

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Are you suggesting someone had a Agenda? Do I need my tinfoil hat? ;)

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Lets just wait and see what comes out next. I don't need a tin foil hat thanks

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I actually agree with you ;)

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Money is nearly always at the root of such things.

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Thought only teenage boys got the Sun until they grow out of it

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True, but knobheads never do Dave.;)

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this has Murdoch nasty work all over it . he wants to destroy Britain. this is why he has stitched up Gordon brown ed milliband and he knows Cameron and Gideon are already doing a good job.

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i bet the majority of people reading this have given a nazi salute in their time either joking around or as sarcasm to someone giving you an order

more than likely long after hitler lost the war

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I can put my hand on my heart and say that I haven't ever used this salute.....not even in play or jest.

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Maybe I am getting myopic in my dotage?
But what public outcry?

As Tommy Docherty says "Yesterdays chip papers"

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No,pure exaggeration on my behalf,i should of known better than to think i could get away with such a over statement :D

I hope it's a busy chippy as Murdock struggled to give his rag away not that long ago ;)

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Front page of tomorrows Sun newspaper:-

Lieutenant woofer does nazi salute

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It isn't really news.
Now if the queen were to go out onto the balcony of Buck House and give the Nazi Salute next time there is some public celebration......she could be censured...but then given her advanced years we would probably decide she had succumbed to dementia.

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Wouldn't that be more showing of their true colours M?
Didn't they change the family name to Windsor to sound more English or have I been reading the history section of the Beano again?

“I shall go to the theatre tonight and enjoy the Merry Wives of Saxe Coburg Gotha.”

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As initially this thread was started as being a ‘non-story’ I’m not sure why it was started at all. However, as it has been I'll put my two-bob's worth in.

It has been well documented and is common knowledge that some members of the Royal family were at one point in history friendly towards Germany and indeed to Hitler, which has never been denied, but they were definitely not Nazi sympathisers once Hitler, dictator and despot that he proved himself to be, showed his true colours.

This photo was taken a long time ago and so we have the advantage of knowing what happened in the years that followed. During the dark days of the Second World War the Royal family were an inspiration to the people. The King and Queen refused to leave London and go to a safer place, and Gaumont News often showed footage of them visiting the bomb-blasted areas, giving their support to those who had suffered, showing they cared.

A photo of a couple of salutes taken years before the outbreak of the war and well before that particular hand gesture had any evil significance means zilch. The newspaper and any mischief-mongering people who have benefitted from these photos should be held to account.

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Wasn't her Uncle was a Nazi sympathiser tho D?

Didn't hitler go as far as to make plans for him to become king once we had been occupied?

As I'm sure your aware,folk are way too paranoid & PC nowadays.
It wouldn't surprise me if they ban the Union Jack because of a handful of white power types like to wave it about....it's part of our history not a "kill a bunch of brown folk" thing ;)

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No,
I do not think it would be showing their true colours.
You cannot change your family history.....where you came from is inescapable, but also nothing you can change(well apart from the name....but a rose etc).
Would you like to be blamed for something you had no part in and could not influence in any way?
Is it fair to blame someone for something their ancestors did......especially if there is nothing in the current history for which they can be blamed?

You have to remember that none of those who deemed Hitler to be a charming man, had any idea what was in the future..... What his plans were for the German nation?

You can rehash this all you like....it changes not one iota of anything.
It certainly does not make me see the Queen in a different light.
She is an old lady....come September she will be the longest surviving monarch of this country.
She has given her life to this country......would I like to swap places with her?
Not a chance. She did not choose to be royal....it was an accident of birth.....and do you know what? I have more trust in her integrity than any politician currently in office.

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He may have been a nazi sympathiser, but this was before everything was known about Hitlers evil intent.
There is no way that the Union flag will be banned......and the easiest way for bad men to succeed is for good men to stand by and do nothing.

And this post quoted above is just a distractionary diversion, it has little relevance to the subject.
Being PC and the flag has nothing to do with the Sun and its slurs against the Royal family, past and present.

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Coming through loud and clear M,I'll be quite and let the thread die ;)

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I for one would not like to be a part of the royal family, all the work they do for the country, what they put up with etc and they get this sort of muck thrown at them for something a child did when she was ickle....

I could never live in a house that's not been decorated for so long, er indoors would not let me off that easily. As for working without pay...lol

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BTW - there was a dance called the Siegrfied line - part of this included a nazi salute.
Look at thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iWy0uYAIDI
14 seconds in.

Nothing new.