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Always a good idea, eh.:alright: And its time for you guys to think outside the box ... or your speck of dirt off the coast of Europe:D Time to think of the Canadian General Election coming up next Monday after a super long campaign. Looks like our tories are down to their core support: that would be the rich and white, middle-class males ... those puritanical assholes opposed to gay rights, abortion, and action on the environment. They also support "tough on crime" stuff (at a time when crime is at an all-time low, and dropping), and a nibbling away at health care. And a new twist in this election ... making the wearing of the niqab an issue. They also oppose higher taxes on the rich:eek:, medical marijuana, safe areas for IV drug users to shoot up, extra funding for daycare, higher pensions, smaller class sizes in our schools ... well, you get the picture. The other two parties (NDP ... that's Labour ... and the Liberals ... that's LibDems) and the majority of Canadian voters want the tories out. But with our, and your, idiotic "first past the post" system, the tories could still end up with the most seats, but short of a majority. In this case the other two parties seem determined that tory rule must go. A coalition government might be on the cards.

Now I know that Canadian politics is not every limey's cup of tea. But important issues are at stake. And I know that some of you have opinions on proportional voting, and what you guys call a "hung Parliament."

Another thing that might affect the voting is that the Blue Jays have a playoff game against KC on the day of the election. I suspect that if a British Election were to be held on the same day that England played in a World Cup Semi-Final :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: that it would affect voting.

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The Tories must go! It's a global thing, not just Canadian. One step at a time.

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getting rid of the tories

hmmm

cant see labours current lot doing it so multiple assassinations perhaps ?

how far outside the box are we talking here i have a plan in mind that relies heavily on a dead pig , lipstick and distraction tactics

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I think Accymans plan might just work :D


Time for a little musical.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei50lM6ab1c

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Oi! That frozen waste subsidiary of the USA only exists because of that inglorious speck of dirt :D

Unfortunately our outdated first past the post system, a totally unfair delineation of electoral boundaries and an excessive amount of MP’s coupled with an ingrained class system where a few imagine they have upward social mobility because they have worked all their lives have a few quid, think they are now middle class and vote tory.

The current 'party' system is heavily skewed and the Tories have to majorly screw up to be voted out.

Oh and football is a proper ‘world’ sport..whereas ice hockey is one of those Olympic things like figure skating and synchronised swimming that you backwood colonials have a decent shot of winning :D :hidewall::hidewall:

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I see that you have the correct attitude towards the Frogs.;)

Football ... esp. in the big leagues is a game for girls, played by wussies. Real men play hockey ... or Rugby ... officiated by refs who know what they are doing and rarely [deleted] up.

But, back to the point: The tories over here are now scraping the bottom of the barrel ... or digging in the slime underneath. Harper is cozzying up to Rob Ford:eek: ... you know, the fat, drunken, crack smoking, wife beater ... and his almost equally disgusting brother. And all because he desperately needs to win seats in Toronto. Harper's doing the politically limbo ... How low can you go?

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I was reading something on the internet about Quebec Province. It was about non French people or immigrants who move there. They said the locals give them a hard time, even when they learned French. Is it really so bad?

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i can tell you from personal experience that if you correct a so called french canadian and point out that they are not french they were born in canada so are canadian they get a bit hissy

used to love winding my pal up while we played online and raising the topic used to distract him so he was more easily killed :D


when he cried about it we would just say it was his french coming out

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Watched the Blue Jays on TV last night.They lost 3-6, so they are down 0-2 in the series against the Kansas City Royals.So Eric there will be no clash with your election as it will be farewell the Canadians for another season.

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They were down two to zip in the last series, then won three in a row to win it. I'd like the Jays to win; but I'm a Cubbies fan ... those lovable losers from Wrigley Field. They haven't won a Series in 106 years ... cheering for the Cubs is a lot like supporting England:D And the Cubs are still in it.:alright:

But the election looks like it will go right down to the wire ... 20 % of the voters have already cast their ballots in the advance polls. And it could be settled, for once, in BC whose results won't be in until five and a half hours after Newfoundland ... it's a time zone thing, eh.;) All close ridings are up for grabs. There could be a big turn out for this election.

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Our election is tomorrow ... "To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow." as whatshisface wrote. And it is not about politics which is, as the same guy said, is "a tale/Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury./Signifying nothing"; it's about who we are as a nation. Much more than you guys, we are a multicultural country. All of us ... and if you go back far enough, that includes First Nations ... are from somewhere else. Like me. And like Song, who runs the local convenience store. If the polls are correct, the centre-left Liberals will get the most seats; but what is most important to about 70% of Canadians, Harper has got to go.

And tonite, the Cubs face the Mets in NY. Getting rid of tories and seeing the Cubs in the Series ... 'tis an outcome devoutly to be wish'd.

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Yes there are some round the corner from me they was alright to my face and then they stabbed me in the back with the lies they told

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Well, I voted ... and I'm willing to bet that Turtle voted too ... it's going to be an exciting nite for those who take an interest in who forms the government. Looks like there is going to be a much larger turn out than last time. Polls show that at least seventy per cent of voters want Harper out ... he is as popular, except among die-hard tories, as a fart in a spacesuit.

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Amazing election ... Liberals look like they are set for a majority government ... and the Jays are ahead 10-4 in the bottom of the eighth ... a good nite for Canada: Harper gone:alright::alright::alright: Bye bye Tories.:D

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You lucky git, if yeh got rid.

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A great night indeed! I didn't stay up long enough to see the results, but waking up this morning was like Christmas :)

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Great way of looking at it ... and the Grinch is gone.:dancedog:

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Noticed this today Eric

WATCH: Muslim Men Shoot Up Nightclub, Govt And Media Refuse To Use The ?M? Word - Breitbart

How's this sitting with you laid back Canadians?

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Eric, I heard on BFBS (Forces radio) that your Mr.Trudeau is pulling the RCAF out of the bombing missions against isis/isil in 2 weeks. Not seen anything in the UK press, what's being said over there in the colonies?

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I dunno;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naheed_Nenshi

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It's kind of split. Many would like to see the CF-18s stay. But just as many support the Liberal plan which would see more Canadian special service troops sent as advisers, and more money for humanitarian aid. In fact, Canada is shelling out more cash than before ... over a billion and a half dollars. Canadian airborne refueling planes and surveillance planes are not affected by the withdrawal. And let's face it, air strikes alone are not going to defeat ISIS. It's going to be a long conflict. It won't be won by futile air strikes unsupported by other strategic alternatives. "In strategy, the longest way round is often the shortest way there .... "

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Retlaw, this might be your solution to the problem, but I think this would precipitate world war 3.

All these muslim men who are deserting their countries, living in camps....why are thy not staying and fighting this abhorrent regime.

We are told that the number of militant muslims is a minority...that the majority of muslims are peace loving and tolerant....so tell me why aren't they standing up and fighting for their lands, for the right to live peaceably.

The solutions need to come from the muslim world. Otherwise they will always be citing western aggression, damning the US, France and Europe for the ills that beset them.
Where are the rich middle eastern countries in this?.....They seem to be committing nothing to the solution, they are sitting on their hands, they don't seem to be offering accommodation or safety or financial aid(well apart from Jordan). These people are their muslim brothers.

All the muslim men who are fit and healthy should be sent back to their countries to fight the aggressors.......let the women and children be looked after by Europe, by the charitable donations, but send the men back to reclaim their homeland.

In years to come when these so called refugees grow up they will denounce us for not allowing them to have their countries, for not giving them the wherewithal to take back their lands......most of them despise the western way of life anyway.

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Here's something from Canadian Broadcorping Castration today ... says a lot about the nature of polling too:


Do Canadians want to end the ISIS bombing mission? It depends - Politics - CBC News

Think it's important to note that a large majority of Canadians want Canada to be doing something to help out. They just ain't sure what. Problem with issues like this is that folks are asked to give their opinions on shiite they know nothing about: here this would be strategy and tactics in an area which has complex and competing groupings, complicated by sometimes unfathomable religious distinctions. Not to mention the actions of the Russians and the Turks ... the latter country seems to identify the enemy as the Kurds:confused:

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Aye, pretty much six of one & half a dozen of the other, see that's the problem with being so laid back. :)

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I do not advocate tlking to them Retlaw, because they are not open to discussion. There ideology is vastly different from ours.
I can see what you are saying, but I think the way forward is to make those who want their lands to be free of this cancer(because that is what ISIS is - a cancer of humanity...they have no humanity) to be sent back to fight for the freedoms which they seem to enjoy. The freedom to worship is not denied to them, they are free to live their own lives unhindered in the western countries...so let them go back to their countries with this model and regain control over it.

The problems with many of these countries is that we have tried to introduce democracy. This is a concept which they have no grasp on......they only understand tribal rules...those are the rules by which they live...and these rules are centuries behind what we in the west understand..
I express my opinion honestly and openly. I am not racist, I have worked with many races and creeds, I have helped many races and creeds get back their health...so how can I be seen as racist?

That said, I do not believe that it is right for military action to be instigated from the west.
That is not to say that if some middle eastern country instigated military action I would not be in favour of the west offering to help out......but for the west to go in guns blazing and gung ho....NO that (in my humble opinion - what ever that counts for) is foolish and full of danger for the whole world.

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No problemo ... we like it like that.:cool: Canada has a history of not getting involved in conflicts that the government considers, well, dumb. Operation Iraqui Freedom comes to mind:rolleyes: For those with short memories, that was the mammoth trillion-dollar cluster [deleted] that did a lot to create ISIS. But when involvement is necessary, Canadian forces can be counted on. Problem with the bombing is that is so tied up with the US Presidential campaign ... if you don't believe this, check out few of the Republican ads. What the yanks wan't is another "coalition of the willing." (That's countries willing to kiss American ass). Right now, we ain't willing. We'll do things our way.

So we'll just kick back, drink beer, smoke dope (that's probably going to be legal by the end of the year:alright:), and watch hockey.

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It isn't for us to say how our descendents will judge us.

It is always easier to say what could have been done when you are not the one who has to do it.
If we go in hung ho, then there may not be any descendants to worry about.
We do not know if ISIS have the capacity to make nuclear armaments. It is likely that with the help of others who are sympathetic to their cause, that if they don't have this facility right now, it is not far off.

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Although you are right, it's wrong for us to think that way, of course the males should be prepared to fight for their Country, but then, so should the females, during the last two real conflicts women of both sides proved they could do 'mens work'.
Are we to go back to a men only situation while we have terror that proves the women of that ilk will willingly kill innocents?

I'm afraid that I will and always will say that no matter of gender, if they kill they deserve the maximum, which must be death. (no doubt administered far more humanely than they do it).

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OK Less......so send the women back to their country to fight too......Yes, women can do the work that was previously seen as a male role...of course they can.I don't quite know how I feel about women on the front lines. Maybe this is because I would have great difficulty in doing that job myself.

I also agree with your view that killers, whatever their gender deserve their fate.(whether that be to die, or whether it be that they live with the knowledge that they have stolen life from another.......a self made hell is the worst place that you can ever have to inhabit)

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Anyone that is prepared to allow others to fight no matter what gender, should be prepared to fight themselves, this is where they have the advantage, their women are prepared to fight until the last of anything is annihilated, our woman are given the idea they shouldn't do such things it isn't ladylike, well, I'm sorry, if you ladies continue to be ladies, their women will not hesitate in taking you, your loved ones and anything you stand for away from you, because they are brought up that way.

Yeah right, I'm being extreme, but only using words, not, chopping heads off for someone on facebook or a twitter page.

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It isn't anything to do with being ladylike.....well, not in my case at least.
I spent a lot of my life caring.....looking after people.
To some extent, that is what I am still doing.......so killing, violence, is something that I would struggle with.
In conflict, there is more to be considered than those who wield arms.

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Kinda like the Israelis, eh.

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Well, Retlaw....that might have been true for you....but not for me.
I loved my job with a passion.
Had it been any different, I would have given it up and done something else....because by this time I knew that I was capable of more than just a job.
Nursing was never 'just a job' for me.
Your views are yours....but in my opinion they are flawed because of the consequences of the aftermath.

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I have to agree wi retlaw, fer me the ONLY way is to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth, its that simple.

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Cashy...we are in agreement...but the only thing I think needs consideration is HOW?

In my opinion(and I know this isn't worth a lot) I feel that it should be done by other muslims taking back the control of their own countries......rather than the western world(this would give them something to gripe about until the day of the last trump).
We do not want to make them feel like they are the victims of western aggression.

OK, if they start the process and then ask for the help of western forces....that would be a hugely different matter......then it would be a case of hey up and boots on the ground.
But moderate muslims have to be the instigators of this process...of this I have no doubt.

Bombs and bullets will never beat the ideology...unless the indigent people do the standing up for themselves, it takes a muslim mind to beat a muslim mind.

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Trouble with that i think,it is very unlikely to happen, summat like wi the japanese in WW2, they refused to surrender, no-one i'm aware of stood up to say call it a day? they soon changed their minds after a couple of nukes.

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A convenient way of thinking, both for the Japanese and the Americans. Convenient, but wrong. Japan, with over sixty major cities already destroyed, surrendered because of the Russian declaration of war and invasion of Manchuria on August 8, 1945. Just because many people have believed the A-Bomb myth for 70 years doesn't make it true. This is not a speculative assessment; the minutes of the Japanese Supreme War Direction Council reveal this.

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The landscape of warfare has changed dramatically since then Cashy.
And I didn't say it was likely to happen, but I said that is what should happen.
any other scenario and muslims would see it purely as western aggression .......no way would we, (the western world) be seen to be restoring lands to the people who they belong to.
This can be seen by the way some people have recently been trying to manipulate history of WW2.

I know that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour, but they did not (to my knowledge...and I am prepared to be educated if anyone knows different) take guerilla action, make forays to detonate bombs in public places with the intention of mass murderof civilians in other countries.
To my knowledge they did not mingle covertly as tourists/members of the public, with the intent of causing harm and destruction....they wore uniforms....they operated on a different level....in a war that was a 'declared war'.
As I say the landscape of everything has changed. Negotiation does not seem to be a realistic option, but I am not sure that western force would be a solution either.

Yes, ISIS need to be defeated, but with intelligent means.
Cut off their money, cut off their ability to communicate, cut off their supplies.....that would be a start I suppose.

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Thank you Eric... I did not know that.....you can learn something every day on here.

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Me neither cheers eric, i think it would still be very convenient to nuke em though.;)

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Not a big fan of the idea of tossing nukes around. But there again, I'm no fan of the new way of war. The West seems to have introduced Health and Safety rules to combat, ones that go way beyond the Geneva Convention. Too many "smart" weapons. Seems like the yanks, in particular, want the kind of war in which nobody gets killed apart from enemy combatants. Nice idea. Pimple-faced geeky kids with thousands of hours practice on their Playstations, sitting underground in Nevada, controlling massively expensive drones ... if only, eh.

By the way, before some of you believe that I'm, as Republican candidates would put it, "soft on terrorism", I firmly believe that Islam is a blight on the planet and should be eradicated, or at least toned down to CofE levels. Still don't like nukes; but there are stocks of napalm around, and conventional HE bombs are cheap and easy to make. One thing the "allies" (that would be the yanks and all those willing to kiss yankee ass) have, and I can't see them losing it, is control of the air. As the USAF demonstrated in the firebombing Tokyo on March 9, 1945 all that is necessary is control of the air and lots of cheap, easily manufactured ordnance. There was some collateral damage as the 750,000 inhabitants of the ****amachi district found out.

While I'm on this extensive rant, here's something else I don't like: the phrase "boots on the ground." Helps us ignore that fact that these "boots" are worn by brave young men and women putting their lives on the line, doesn't it. If it were just a case of boots, I would be all for it. I've some old boots that I would gladly donate to the cause. There are lots of boots, already filled, out there fighting ISIS. Many of these are being worn by Kurds, and an increasingly effective Iraqi Army. Canada, by the way, has commited more money and advisors to help train and equip these boots. I think that this will be more effective than 6 CF-18s which more often than not return from sorties without having dropped a single bomb. Health and Safety regulations again.:rolleyes:

All the high-tech toys that Western militaries own have not changed what is needed to achieve victory. According to Liddell-Hart, perhaps the most intelligent strategic thinker of the 20th Century, infantry must take ground and hold it. Maybe there has to be a warm fuzzy "hearts and minds" campaign too. But one the few intelligent things that Richard Nixon said was: "When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.":D

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It goes without saying that the 'boots on the ground' are filled with the feet of brave men and women...it was ever thus.
Their efforts to keep these spineless cowardly followers of ISIS cannot be praised too highly....but these boots on the ground should be fellow muslims taking back what is rightfully their land(this stops the cries of 'Western Aggression'...so the Iraqi Army and the Kurds are to applauded for their actions......more power to their elbow.

As I said in a previous post, it takes muslim minds to understand what is going on in muslim minds.

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Or a big stick! ;)

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Something like this, eh.:D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3rs1JOkCaQ

Unfortunately, the short version would not work.

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Aye, that's the Badger! :)

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August 15 is the date of the Japanese surrender ... the second and only remaining bomb in the US arsenal was dropped on Nagasaki on August 9. And the Russian invasion of Hokkaido would have been a snap. Most of the four million or so Japanese soldiers were deployed in the south to face the anticipated US invasion, which was scheduled for November. The Japanese were hanging on for a deal that would allow them to avoid unconditional surrender. The bombing campaign that brought Japan to its knees was primarily the daily strategic bombin using conventional ordnance. In purely military terms, the Manhattan Project was a inexcusable waste of money that could have been better used elsewhere.

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I disagree, in purely military terms, it made Stalin stop at Berlin

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A Russian invasion of Hokkaido could not possibly have taken place in the timescale you suggest Eric. The Russian invasion of Manchuria was a purely land based conflict - Russia did not have the naval transports available for a sea borne attack on Japan and an airborne attack cannot succeed alone. Russia declared war on Japan at that time in order to share in the spoils of war. McArthur stopped that idea.
As for the nuclear weapons being a waste of money - there are still people around - a few allied ex-prisoners who would have died if the war had not been terminated as quickly as it was - they would give you a very good explanation of what it meant to them - and yes, I had family members who were captured by the Japanese and some of those died.

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I doubt it ... and as far as I can remember the Red Army went well-beyond Berlin. The Line of Contact was on the Elbe. And in the summer of '45, the US and British forces gave up large areas west of that line so that the occupation zones would conform to those agreed on at Yalta.

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Were the Russians Tories?

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They were't socialists and they didn't have a true democracy; so, they must have been.;)

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And your point is?

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Not before some of us see it ... and I can't see how posting your PIN number can get you banned. Maybe, if your health is up to it in your Golden Years:D, you could pay a visit to Effin, Co. Limerick. ;) See you on FB.:dancedog:

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You talk about women grumbling about men....and what do you consider your post to be doing if it isn't moaning about women?
Retlaw you have been around long enough to know that women are a strange breed.......they were made to match men!

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touche from teh other thread

well played lmao :D

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Wrong about you not having been around long enough to know that women are a strange breed?
We know that God didn't really make men and women...they evolved......and not necessarily to be obedient to men.
I can see now where you have been going wrong...it is the obedience bit......dogs are obedient(if you train them right). It doesn't matter how long you try to 'train' a woman....she will grow the way she wants...and men can either like it or lump it.

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And...Yes, I do know the saying...'A woman, a spaniel and a walnut tree...the more they are beaten the better they be'.
It is false.

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I know all about this; I have cats ... all female; and Emma is a tory.;) Seems like our beautiful English Language has become a minefield. One can no longer say, getting back on topic, that tories are cruel, grasping, mean-spirited, ignorant over-privileged assholes, whose world-view begins and ends with their tax-sheltered wealth ... spice this up with your own expletives. Come to think of it, it was a tory who started all this horse manure. Back in the early 1900s ... maybe '05 or '06 ... Churchill, that master of English, came up with "terminological inexactitude"; and it's been downhill ever since. Chaucer could play cleverly on the meanings of "queynte" (careful when you say "quaint", you don't know where it comes from;) ), and Swift could write his clever satire, "The Lady's Dressing Room", and Rochester could pen "A Ramble in St. James' Park", all to popular applause from a less than politically correct public. But times have changed. Now we have to censor our every utterance lest we offend. No more coons on my porch, I guess.:D Some want to make our National Anthem gender neutral.:rolleyes: What next: "Land of My Fathers."?

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Eric even male cats have traits that can be laid at the door of females.:D

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I'll check this out with Toby when he next visits ... he's on lockdown right now 'cause it's going to get a little chilly this weekend ... into the minus 30s with a mother of a wind chill.

I'm trying to help out a new stray at the moment ... he's a male. Maybe he has some input as he is still a ball-bearing mouse trap. It's going to be a tough weekend for the poor little ******; but I've made a kinda shelter out of a blue box ... lots of old sweaters inside ... not great but at least he can be out of the wind if he chooses to crash there.

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Eric, you really are a big softie.
You are doing great stuff...Hope the lad knows this and snuggles down to your sweaters.