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Cant see my son forgetting where he came from and as for thinking himself powerful it is not in his nature. I am glad he is well away from Hyndburn.

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If my son was to disgrace his family by entering into politics, I too wouldn't want him living near me!
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And yet you're glad your son is "well away from Hyndburn".

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I don't see it as a disgrace and I am very proud of him. Don't expect you to understand that.

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I was not casting aspersions against your son..far from it.
This is just my observation of how other people have behaved.......starting off very committed to the people in their locality...but once risen to the dizzying heights of politics...forgetting that they want to help people...and instead making sure their own bread is well buttered.

As for being cynical...I prefer to term it 'the experience of life'

You would be a very strange mother if you were not proud of your son. i hope he does well...and makes a difference to the lives of the people in his community.

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No you don't expect me to understand, however I do, but I don't assume in the way you do.
Perhaps if you knew what my son has done over the last several years (without claiming fame or expenses), recognition isn't what good deeds are about, this town is full of folk that aren't self serving they go through their lives doing that little extra for no reward whatsoever.

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Thank you Margaret. Well done to your son Less whatever he has done. I hope my son does well at what he feels he wants to do in whatever capacity and he knows we will back him all the way.

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All the best to your son, Rowlf, I hope he does stick to his principles and ideals, and dedicates himself to the people.

On the other hand I can't blame anyone for being cynical about politicians and councillors alike - I know I am, and you probably feel the same about most of them. Doesn't matter what side of the world they live on it seems that these days they are mostly tarred with the same brush. Once in, their promises take wings and fly out of the window.

There are a few exceptions - let's hope your son is one of them if he gets in, and if he is then I hope he does (get in).

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Thank you Dotti. Knowing him like I do I am sure he will try his best.

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nowt wrong with standing for election ... done it twice and failed both times so nowt wrong with that :p good luck to your son rowlf ...

In some cases what Margaret has said is true .. they forget where they come from .. but that is a minority ... I know for certain that a councillor was out and about and got stuck in with helping cleaning out houses in Irwell Vale this week .. they've not forgotten where they come from!!!

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Yes Jen, it is good when they don't get above themselves...but it is inevitable that some will.
They believe themselves to be above those who put them in the place of authority....and that is sad. I don't really believe it is a minority either.

Lots of people pitched in to help with the cleaning up after the floods it is the kind and comapssionate(humane even) thing to do.
Times of great turmoil/upset are what bring out the best in people(well usually-but again you still get some scumbags who make opportunities out of the misfortune of other...like the looters in York)

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it wasn't just looters in York Margaret ... someone robbed a house in Irwell Vale ... a 70 year old pensioners home .. she'd been evacuated her and her son .. and some thieving sod nicked her sons mountain bike and money .....

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That is just terrible Jen. Karma to the thief.(I hope he gets paid back in the same coin).
I cannot think of how these scumbags brains work.....it isn't bad enough to have your home wrecked by nature.....bleeding thieves come and deal you another blow.

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In the 1990's, the upland sheep farmers of Pontbren in the headwaters of the river Severn came up with a visionary scheme, they would replant the shelterbelts of forests that once clothed the welsh hillsides and soaked up the excess water.

Instead of the sheep treading down the turf, consolidating it and making it impervious to water, the trees would provide shelter for the livestock as well as acting as a natural drainage system, this method has been used by farmers for centuries in the U.k. slowing the flow of water downhill.

Do the so called powers that be, who sit in their leather armchairs, in air conditioned offices listen to the people that actually know the answers through years of experience.

I dispair, not for me, but for the generations yet to come.

(Try), to stay happy, Your's Taddy.

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If you read the original document produced by the 10 or so farmers you will realise that this came about because their profits were falling, I admit that was as far as I bothered to read.
However, I do think that more trees should be planted throughout the UK, but this particular project, being in Wales, should be funded by the Welsh Assembly.
It has taken them a long time to come up with this project - when did the deforestation of these hills take place?
Do you mean the leather armchairs in Cardiff, London or Brussels?

http://www.coedcymru.org.uk/images/u...20CS%20v12.pdf