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Now that the Government has bowed to pressure from animal rights activists and banned the hunting of animals with hounds on the grounds that foxes and hares suffer unnecessarily prolonged deaths, will the Government be equally as zealous in stamping out other forms of unnecessarily prolonged deaths such as occurs in Kosher and Halal slaughterhouses? And if not, will it then explain why not? I was under the impression that the law of the land applied equally to all subjects of the crown, regardless of wealth, position or belief.
The method of slaughtering cattle, employed in Halal and Kosher slaughterhouses, involves placing the animal in a large steel cage which is then rotated through 180 degrees so that the animal is turned upside down, whereupon it’s throat is cut and it’s trachea is ripped out. The animal is not sedated or stunned in any way. The cage is then rotated once more and the animal is unceremoniously dumped on the floor of the slaughterhouse. Supporters and proponents of this method of slaughter claim that death claims the animal within a matter of seconds of the initial incision to its throat by sudden loss of blood pressure depriving the animal’s brain of blood.
In several videos, I have seen of the process ( http://www.peta.org.uk/ ) , the animals are not only fully conscious after they have been ejected from the cage, but are also able, in some instances, to stand and walk away from the cage before eventually dying up to two minutes later.
If the government is serious in it’s desire to alleviate the unnecessary suffering of animals, why is this archaic and barbaric method of slaughter still permitted? Why is it that there is apparently one law for the majority of British subjects and another quite different law for a minority of others?

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I have often posed the same question A-Bob. But never get an answer. I also wrote to my last MP....and never got an answer.

It seems that there is a law for us....and none for them, and foxhunting was an excuse to try out the one-sided view!!

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I never realised that is how they killed the animals, that is terrible and definately shouldn't be allowed, the poor animals!!!!

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That is not the whole of it fibi. If you can stomach it, there are a couple of videos at the website I quoted.

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Don't think I could handle it, bit of a softie when it comes to animals, no need for any animal to suffer!!

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I think that is half the problem most people do not realise what happens to farm animals. Meat comes to them shrinkwrapped in the supermarket and that is as far as they want to think about it. I reckon that 90% of people would be converted to Vegetarianism if they had to slaughter their own animals.

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I was always under the inpression that animals were killed quickly and in a humane way in this country A-B, what you have discribed is BARBARIC.Like fibi i could not watch animals being cruely treated or watch the video, i'm the person who had to stop watching lassie films because i would always end up in tears.

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I know I wouldn't be able to watch the videos. I agree that it is totally barbaric and should not be allowed. I don't care what reasons they give. It wouldn't be permitted in non-halal or non-kosher slaughterhouses in this country. It seems we have two levels of law. Why all the fuss about factory farming and battery hens by animal liberationists and so little said about this barbaric method of slaughter?

Maybe at one time it was the most humane way to kill an animal for food when there were few if any alternatives but we don't live in those ancient times any more.

If people can't live by the laws of this land why should the laws be changed to suit them?

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In the main they are, but not in Halal and Kosher slaughterhouses. What is more, the meat from these places finds it's way onto your plate as well.

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When my children were growing up & we had eaten a nice Sunday roast, pork for example, after the meal as well as complimenting my wife for the excellent meal I would add & don't forget to say thank you to the pig. At first they would not understand why I would say this so I would explain to them that for us to have enjoyed the meat we have just eaten an animal had to die. So it was only fair that we should be grateful, they grew up with the understanding that meat isn't just something that comes from the butchers, we all still eat meat, but we are still grateful for the sacrifice that animal has made.
Although I wouldn't enjoy the task after all I pay extra for the slaughter man to perform it I would be amongst the 10% that would be prepared to kill my own animals for food. My father used to have a pen with a variety of animals, Hens, Geese, rabbits etc. because of this Sunday roast was always enjoyable in our house.

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My grandfather was one of those people who kept a small collection of livestock for eating purposes too. I grew up realising where our food came from.

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It is my understanding that halal meat can be killed in any way as long as prayers of thanks to Allah are offered at the time of slaughter, therefore it is not necessary to kill by cutting the throat, a bullet to the head would suffice but then this would cost money.

Whilst on holiday in Egypt we went through a meat market and the meat for sale was killed by the stall holder when someone bought it, I found it quite horrifying really.

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I'm not sure about that J-Baby.

I have witnessed Halal slaughtering in several countries and although sometimes an Imam is present and says a few words, they always slit the animals throat and hold its neck down in the gutter (or into a large can), for it to bleed to death (which is mostly quite a slow death). When a few words are said, it is normally a more ritualistic slaughter, say for a wedding or a religious feast, such as the end of Rahmadan.

As far as I know, the animal MUST be bled to death so that all the blood is naturally pumped away. However, I am not sure of the facts.

Perhaps Mufti may come back on site and enlighten us all?

I've also seen a few other horrendous things carried out in Africa and the Middle East, and Halal slaughter is certainly not the worst of them.

I'd rather be a fox with a chance than a goat in a meat market!!

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One of the questions asked when I was traveling to the middle east was how much do we put our watches back?
The answer was about 400yrs

The arabic word http://www.eat-halal.com/images/halal.gif (Halal) means lawful. In the Holy Quran, Allah commands Muslims and all of mankind to eat of the Halal things. Among the many verses of the Quran that convey this message.

Animals such as cows, sheep, goats, deer, moose, chickens, ducks, game birds, etc., are also Halal, but they must be Zabihah (slaughtered according to Islamic Rites) in order to be suitable for consumption. The procedure is as follows: the animal must be slaughtered by a Muslim. The animal should be put down on the ground (or held it if it is small) and its throat should be slit with a very sharp knife to make sure that the 3 main blood vessels are cut. While cutting the throat of the animal (without severing it), the person must pronounce the name of Allah or recite a blessing which contains the name of Allah, such as "Bismillah Allah-u-Akbar".



The arabic word http://www.eat-halal.com/images/haram.gif (Haram) means unlawful. The following items have been categorically spelled out as being Haram by jurists in light of the Holy Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet Mohammad http://www.eat-halal.com/images/saw.gif:

1. Pig
2. Blood
3. Carnivorous animals
4. Almost all reptiles and insects
5. The bodies of dead animals
6. Halal animals which are not slaughtered according to the Islamic Law.
7. Wine, Ethyl Alcohol, and Spirits. The above mentioned items are Haram and should be avoided by all Muslims.

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Hi Darby, I've been looking at some literature re Halal V Haram,

'....another opinion holds that since the Qur'an is clear in stating that the food of Christians and Jews is lawful, Muslims who live in predominantly Christian countries may eat commercial meat (except pork) pronouncing Gods name at the time of eating',
so according to this there really is no need for the bleeding of animals.

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I'm going to write to the Countryside Alliance informing them of the formation of the Muslim & Jewish Fox Hunt (Accrington Branch). Besides serving to understand inter-community relations and assist in some way in the Middle East Peace Process, the purpose of the Hunt will be to offer Pest Control Services to all those farmers and small holders surrounding Hyndburn. Vermin (i.e.Foxes) will be legitimatly despatched with, in a spirit of harmony, reconciliation and goodwill untroubled by the antics of the politically correct Constabulary or the animal rights mob.

The first meeting will be on Boxing Day; meet 9am sharp outside the Stag (how apt) where Staggeringman will be serving up the hot toddys. Less will be coming on his donkey and blowing the horn, and everyone else is cordially invited.

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How proud you make me feel that a man of my age should have a horn worth producing in public, however I will not need the equine beast as I am capable of making a complete Ass of myself without it's help.

:dummy2:

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One law for them, one law for us.....Isn't that what religion's all about??Whether we're foxhunters, politicians or Muslims, we're never going to agree!!

I, personally, love a nice piece of fillet; Ialso love a veggie stirfry; I was brought up as as Catholic, but denounced that religion in my 'teens. I have many Jewish/Muslim friends.

What does that make me??

I support Accrington Stanley......but I used to support Man City....What does that make me?? ( editor's comment.....'SAD!!')

The point I'm trying to make, is, we're all different, but we should try & live together.
I agree with a previous contributor who used the phrase 'when in Rome'. If we choose to live in a different country, we should accept the customs of that country. But, when you think about it, is that how the British Empire was built??

What a conundrum!!!!

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That's a very valid point BUT if we were to do something in a muslim country whihc the indginous population found abhorrent I have no doubt there'd be a stop put to it pretty sharpish. So, if it is halal or whatever to eat Christian meat so long as it isn't pork then why the need for the barbaric method of slaughter in this Christian country?

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I do think your going a little extreme to suggest that anybody should eat Christian meat no matter how bad are the circumstances!:D

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You are perfectly right Less. Maybe we should try a bit of vampire. There should be plenty of iron in that

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Mmm, I've sat and watched this one for a while before adding my comments. but here goes

Personally I am happy for the Muslim community to eat whatever they like, killed in as humane way as they will accept. If they could eat 'non muslim' meat with a prayer then in this and other christian countries they should do this. Does anyone have any idea what happens in other christian countries worldwide? Are they allowed to perfom ritual slaughter in America/Germany/Spain etc.

However on the other side, animals are breed to be killed. They would not have a life except to be fattened up for us to eat. I too would be of the minority that would be prepared to kill my own if that is what was needed. I am not some blood thirsty soul but I feel I do have a reasonable grasp of the order of things in nature. One day your the predator, the next your the victim. We as humans have very few predators hence the population problems, that is just the natural order of things.

So whilst he find it unacceptable for the scenario that was presented it is up to us to put pressue on the powers that be to do something about it.(i.e. we become the predator of this method of killing). Does our estimeed MP read this site? I think I'll drop him an email to see what his comments are and also to point him at a massive resource of public opinion in his constituency.

I'll be careful not to get any splinters in my bum now as I get off the fence :)

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Hiya J-Baby. Thanks for your considered response.

I think that most would agree that ritual killing of animals using Halal methods is incompatible with our way of life and our society. This can also be said of Kosher products.

When in Rome........exactly!! ...........

I live in Germany and Halal and Kosher ritual killing of animals is not prohibited, but must be carried out under licence (just another way of collecting tax). However, a lot of muslims carry out Halal killing without a licence....so much for the law!!

I also live within the German society and have adopted their ways, their foods, their laws, their traditions. But I'm still English and I'm known for a good sense of humour, respectability, honesty, and a willingness to help others. It's fair to ask all others to play the same game but retain their own national identity without coming into conflict with national society standards and expectations.

Any immigrant should not argue that their way is the only way that they can retain their national identity and in cases of real conflict...they should decide if their adopted country should take precedence or their own native one.
The choice is freely theirs...but they have a duty to make a decision based on those principles and either stay by adopting those principles or return to where they feel their identity is accepted as the "norm" and not inflict their way upon the indiginous population.

I think this is a reasonable and fair way to integrate into a sensible and acceptable society. And all immigrants who take this route should be encouraged and supported, and above all accepted into their "new" society by one and all.

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Looking at this from the other side of the fence, as an immigrant in another country I still agree with the concensus of opinion. 'When in Rome' is a very good maxim. As most of you will know, the English language in use over here isn't really the English language. Many spellings are different. When I communicate with my American friends and colleagues, I spell words the American way, but I spell them the 'proper' way when writing to English friends. I still retain my British accent and will always do so. Actually, that works very well for me here. Americans really love our accent. Over here I hold my fork in my right hand and use it like a shovel, but when in England I use my knife and fork as we were taught. These are only little things I know, but it's the little things that help you to integrate and it is important to do so. This is their country, they have a right to expect me to behave in a way which is acceptable to them. I am their guest. Immigrants coming into England should have it made clear that those are the rules. If you don't like 'em, turn around and go back to wherever you came from. If you come in and don't abide by the rules, we will send you back to wherever you came from.

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It's good to hear the other side of things from both of you. We wee talking about this the other day and said that if we moved to live in Spain, as my friend's son has done, we would expect to learn the language and to learn how to live a Spanish lifestyle so as to integrate with the people and not stick out like a sore thumb. Of course we'd always be English and I suppose Spain with its holiday connections really isn't a good example because you could get away with speaking English and living there but the point is that we wouldn't actually want to. We'd consider it ignorant.

Even when the French market came people had a go at speaking French when they were buying things and saying "Merci" instead of "Ta"

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I could almost give up eating meat......except sometimes I get the urge for a bacon buttie.

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Whats the point of getting to the top of the food chain and then becoming vegitarian?

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I read somewhere that the smell of cooking bacon is one of the main reasons vegetarians give for having reverted to meat eating.

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That's exactly the point Willow....when in Rome.

I lived in Gibraltar for 3 years...in the middle of the town, amongst the Spaniards. I use to watch all the Spanish TV, football and even Bullfighting!! Got to know quite a bit about it. I learnt Spanish to an acceptable level and mixed with them in everyday life. Great people, but very different.

Since then I've spent a lot of time in Spain. Working and holidays. I have good friends in Madrid and Sevilla, and have visited every Spanish region and spent much time in the Extremadura and Castille Viejo. I love the place to bits and like and admire the Spanish people.

But in their country we should make the effort. I can assure you that they really appreciate any attempt to speak their language and accept their customs.

Last month I spent a few days in Santander (business), and my Spanish has almost disapeared (30 years since I last lived there), but comes back when I'm forced to use it. Anyway, I was trying to tell this receptionist that I wanted to leave my case and pick it up at 5:30. She said that I should try and tell her in Spanish...which I eventually did. She called the manager and said that in future if I came to stay, I could order everything in my excellent Spanish and there was no need for the Hotel staff to speak to me in any other language. I felt a bit embarrased, but when I came home I checked my few sentences against my books...and it was perfect...just off the cuff...but it came back easily.

The joy and surprise in the recepionists eyes was well worth the effort, and she will now believe that all Englishman can speak Spanish....(as I said before I'm really a missionary)

It just goes to show that a little effort on our behalf, reaps rewards and gives a cheer to any local.

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It's not just in Spain where that works - I surprised the hell out of the staff at the hotel I was staying at in Crete this year!!!

They asked me where I learned to speak it so well. The thing is, I only learned a little when I was staying in Corfu a few years ago from the co-owner of the hotel where I was staying!

Must have been a good teacher :)

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That's the ticket Vorlon...now you know it really works. :engsmil: :engsmil:

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We seem to have strayed a bit on this one - however, back to A-B's original. Foxes are killed quickly at a hunt - the first hound in goes for the throat, so it is fierce but fast. Shooting foxes is dicey - it is almost impossible to get a clean kill, and the animal goes off wounded and usually dies of septicaemia, not a nice way to go.

However, of course we can offend our indigenous population in country areas, by banning hunting on the grounds of cruelty, but we cannot under any circumstances offend our ethnic minorities.

Good idea, Tealeaf - see you Boxing Day, will borrow a horse and my daughter's pink jacket!


I not only would kill my own, I have done so - rabbits and pheasants, and even on a few occasions, a chicken (on my uncle's farm in Ireland, mostly).

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:D watched the show they put on! yes a bit barbaric! But that does not put me off having a nice 16oz T bone, Yes i would and have killed my own food and if i have too i would again.Wernt animals put on this planet so we could eat the meat?I dont see people cringe when they are sat in a fast food place waiting for there burgers and fries(never seen a chip) All you out there will sit down on christmas day and not give two thoughts to where the meat that you are about to eat came from!All things apart its took 7 years for this act to come in and its not over with by a long way yet,the countryside alliance say they will hunt on the day the ban comes in force.

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Here the odds by William Hill on next in line to be banned:

Shooting Grouse - 3/1
Fishing - 4/1
Steeplechase - 5/1

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Had a lovely casserole of pheasant yesterday, shot and cooked by my son-in-law. Yummy!

Why not ban boxing? - two big lads knocking the c**p out of one another - or is that not elitist enough for Mr Blair?

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So, if grouse shooting and fishing are banned does that mean we are all going to have to learn to live without eating grouse or fish? I mean how else do they plan on killing a grouse? Farm them like chickens? Factory farming is far crueller. We'll all end up being forced to be vegetarians.

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You won't catch me becoming a vegetarian. Give me a nice t-bone steak.

Looking back at the original point I am surprised that halal slaughter is permitted in a civilised country.

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if our LIFE depended on it , we would all kill animals im sure.

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What WAS a civilised country! We've changed THAT much!!

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I would if my kids' lives depended on it

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My grandfather did. He also knew all the edible wild plants etc. I wish I'd taken more notice of him. He was a Lancashire version of Bush Tucker Man, but I was too young when he died to have really taken in all he tried to teach me.

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:( here is one for you!I have a friend who flys falcons,HE takes them up on the moors and kills hares,pheasant,wood pidgeon..etc..The animal that was killed is not left to rot on the moor but brought home and fed to the chicks.Would you say this is barbaric because you are using an animal to kill an animal,just like a hound and a fox,or a lurcher and a hare,How are the government going to police this???

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personally I think fox hunting is barbaric. I despise animal cruelty, however I am not a vegetarian although I used to be. I don't care about people eating meat to survive or whatever. What I am concerned with is the fact that the killing is for pleasure. Most of the people who hunt foxes have absolutely respect for the value of life. And a point that I like to point out is that who was put on this planet first animals or man? (according to the bible, but I don't believe in god) Fox hunting is not neccessity

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Are you personally aquainted with "most of the people who hunt foxes" ? Even with hunting banned foxes will have to be killed. Foxes kill other creatures. They kill farm creatures. Farmers are not expected to just sit there and let them so they will shoot foxes. Most foxes do not die as quickly when shot. They suffer a slow lingering painful death. Have you seen an animal die from a gunshot wound? Have you seen a fox killed by hounds? If you can answer yes to both questions then I cannot believe you could consider the former to be preferable.

You ask who was put on the earth first according to the Bible. Actually I think, if you check, you'll find it was the vegetables.

I don't approve of unnecessary cruelty to animals but the very nature of nature is that animals kill other animals either to eat or to safeguard their young. In the case of humans we sometimes do it to safeguard other animals.

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In the natural world the falcon would kill those animals to feed its young - how can it be wrong? What would they suggest as an alternative? Half a pound of best mince?

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No because 'he' fly's falcons and the falcons kill. But humans have morals. I have a problem with the way we hunt foxes, it could be more controlled. We are needlessy killing them for fun. I believe farmers have a right to protect their livestock. also everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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Absolutely agree regarding opinions.

However, as shooting foxes is cruel, what do you suggest as an alternative? I'm genuinely open to suggestions.

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As I said I think it should be more controlled. can you inform me as to whether you need a licence to go out and hunt foxes? It's the suffering I have a problem with and the people using is a sport and entertainment.

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From the point of view of the suffering I think the method we are trying to ban is the one that causes the least suffering. It is animal killing animal (hound killing fox) which again is part of nature. How far removed is that from Staggeringman's friend with the falcon? The hounds don't eat the fox. That seems to be the main difference. But the fox is killed because foxes are killers.

At one time we had mice in the house (a long story resulting from an empty house next door in which food had been left by previous occupants.) As much as I don't like killing little furry things and I got a human trap and released the first couple of dozen up beyond Green Haworth, there came a time when "clobber the things with a heavy object" became preferable to them dying slowly and painfully from poisoning. It just had to be done or my kitchen would ahve been a no go area and I wouldn't have wanted to eat or sleep in the house.

Mice are vermin, even though we had pet hamsters at the time. Foxes are pretty and they have nice fluffy tails and they are a beautiful colour and I can really admire the looks of a fox but at the end of the day if it came down to a fox or my chickens I would class fox as vermin along with the mice.

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yes I think I would to. But I think the statement 'foxes are killed because they are killer' is a bold one. We are killers so does that mean an eye for an eye. The hunt ks just an excuse to kill them for fun not pest control. I have no quarms about a farmer shooting a fox because it is trying kill his chickens.

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I do have qualms about him shooting the fox because the fox is more likely to suffer that way. More often than not he doesn't catch them in the act. He just finds the carnage the following morning.

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Who is going to keep the foxes under control???As willow said there are animals that need to be controlled,would you not mind that you have a load of rats running around your dinning room table while you have your tea(doubt it)the people that live and work in our(there )countryside, control the animals as they see fit,and if it means chasing foxes with dogs so be it!Did you complain to the council when they put the netting over the public buildings in town,OH the pigeons havent anywhere to roost(the flying rats are vermin)foxes are vermin,rabbits are vermin.You cant tell your grandma how to suck eggs!Same goes to the people of the countryside that have been brought up with that way of life for hundreds of years.You could say that there are other ways to control them,poison them and when they die other animals are birds will feed on them and they will die as well and so on......and on .....and on,until they are all extinct.

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It depends if it was done halal ...he...hee.In the natural world willow dogs would still kill foxes!!

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When a dog catches a fox it grabs it with the scruff of the neck and tosses it in the air snapping its neck imeadiately no suffering there now is there black flights!Its only when you see the rest of the pack catch up and start to rip the ALREADY dead fox in pieces that you think its cruel..its already dead.This about the licence is what the government wants to bring in.

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Precisely my point Staggers.

Slightly off topic but why the heck did Australia end up being overrun by rabbits? No natural predators there that's why - and look at what they did to "solve" it !!!!! Nature isn't always beautiful and twee but it is natural.

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I find it appalling that people who have little or no understanding of country life should feel themselves qualified to pontificate and legislate on the practices employed to keep vermin in check. If we continue to pander to the delicate sensibilities of the vote-rich suburban middle classes we will loose much that makes this country what it is. What is it going to be next, Equal rights for rats! MRSA has feelings too! ?? All this is just fashionable hypocracy, spouted by people who have too little with which to occupy themselves.

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I'm reminded of a news item not so long ago where a couple who had recently moved to the countryside were complaining that the farmer had sheep in the field next to them and the baa-ing woke them up!

They are sheep. That's what they do. If the humans don't like it they shouldn't have bought a house next to a farm.

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Baaaaaaaaaaa.......................Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa....................Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Oink..Oink..Oink

Well its' better than the traffic noise!!

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I once worked in a restaurant where a lady who had waited ages for a window table complained that the sight of ickle lambs running around the field outside was putting here off her roast lamb dinner!

Some people need shooting.

Hey maybe thats the answer, bring us down to the same level! :eek: :eek: :eek:

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That's a good one Entwisi. Wouldn't it be great if people who work with members of the public and provide services were actually allowed to tell some people how stupid they are and not be sacked for it. I would love to. Believe me, some of the complaints we get in the NHS about minor things beggar belief. I can give examples, but there are too many to bore everybody with.:rolleyes:

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That was the Britannia where you worked was it Entwisi? They had a similar complaint there.

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here we go tealeaf go and get your dosh on this.
http://www.countryside-alliance.org/

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Steeplechasing I wouldn't mind seeing banned - I just can't bear to watch horses fall. The one which really got to me was a horse with all four legs broken trying to stand up again.

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Hello

I don't see foxhunting as anymore cruel than bullfighting or "throwing" the donkey off the roof stuff. Having lived in and around the accrington area for some 15 years I regulary went out rabbiting with dogs in the winter months in the nearby countryside and got rabbits for my dinner ( sometimes sold them to the then landlord of the park Inn on manchester road for a pint or 2) To see a fox was rare.. I know live in central London and see foxes dodging cars across main roads early in the morning almost daily.. my question is .. if you say foxhunting with 30 dickheads on horses and 40+dogs finally catching a fox and tearing it to bits is the best way to control foxes.. when should I expect to see you chasing them down Oxford street? .. and as for the countryside alliance! just old tories with their cap tipping thick farmhands in tow.

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Foxes will never be eradicated, they are like pigeons, they adapt to whatever situation they are in whether it be the countryside or in the centre of a city like London.

They are clever and resourceful, 90% of the time, they escape the jaws of the hunting hounds.........but the remaining 10% die quickly and humanely and that 10% is enough to ensure that the fox population does not over-populate the country....

When this subject first came into the news several years ago, my first instinctive response was to agree with the banning of fox hunting, but when I analysed my reasons, I realised that I was biased against the rich snobs (mainly) that participated in the sport. I cannot afford the upkeep of a "hunter horse" and do not have the connections to become involved in any way. I wonder how many others that are "anti fox hunting" do so because the sport requires money to participate?

They are virmin and wreak havoc on small holders that keep chickens/rabbits or similar to suppliment their income, poison or shooting is inhumane but if they are fortunate enough to have a local hunt, they are assured that they will have "occasional" problems rather than "repetative" problems that may put them out of business.

Another thought to chew on:

This government are looking to relax the rabies laws (if they haven't already done so) but the disease is becoming endemic throughout Europe and heading north! Everybody knows that bats are carriers of rabies but they rarely actually bite humans.....but when they drop out of the sky dead through old age or disease, the most likely scavenger to find them are foxes!!!!

Those that are old enough can surely remember the "foot and mouth" disease that was rampant throughout the U.K. and pets were threatened with compulsary lethal injections in order to stop the threat of spreading the disease, The same situation will occur if rabies hit this country.

Hunting foxes will not eradicate the fox population but will at least keep the foxes at an acceptable level. When rabies finally arives in the U.K, (and it will) the culling of foxes humanely will help to control the spread of rabies.

For those that scorn my opinion, just go to your local G.P, and ask him for protection against rabies.........multible injections into the stomach, very painfull, .....just because you are against the most humane way of controlling the population of foxes!

Re: Needless Cruelty
 

I did work there but this was from a lady At Bentley Wood Farm :rolleyes: