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What do you all think about the Trump outcome? I think your comments will be MOST interesting. I wouldn't be allowed to write mine....

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Let's give the guy a chance

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I think its very similar to the Brexit vote here, people are thoroughly sick of the way they have been ignored,and i for one am glad its happened, all the celebs and money grabbers supported the opposition, and Trump is the lesser of 2 evils as far as i'm concerned.

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They were two very flawed candidates.
Neither of them are presidential material.
We just have to hope that the past escapades of DT are well and truly in the past, and that the guy takes his responsibilities very seriously.
If I had been an American citizen, I would not have been able to vote for either of these unsavoury characters...Both are untrustworthy.
But let's wait and see.

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The lesser of two evils is still...evil.
Not what you would want for the leader of America.
I hope his administration is chosen from strong men with better morals and ethics than those of DT.

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I suspect that will not be the case Margaret, who controls the media? I honestly think he will be a better leader than they are having yeh believe, we will have to wait and see. I agree both were seriously flawed, but if i had been a yank i certainly woulda voted for Trump.

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Must admit to wanting "The Donald" from the start. Clinton is part of the establishment, always was & always will be, if she'd have got in it would have been a case of more of the same & a further erosion of faith in politicoes (if there ever was any in the first place).

The D, isn't a politico, he's a complete change to all that has been previously, he's a showman, knows what buttons to press, added to that he's a self made man, his campaign was with his money & not from the coffers of some party funded by activists, taxpayers & money men. He put his money, where his mouth is & that mouth has definitely caused some consternation amongst the establishment, his own "Party" & he's set the millenials, lefty liberals & snowflakes into meltdown!

Absolutely brilliant to my mind, he's shown these people their arses & maybe, just maybe other folks, here there & around the world may now take a good hard look at themselves, their policies & start to think about listening to their populace or they to will be joining the blubbering, hand wringers in their self inflicted cesspool that the rest of us "Uneducated" have been warning about for long enough!

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A very bitter and divisive election with hardly any mention of what policies either of the candidates were in favour of. The only policy that I remember was the fence Donald was going to build to keep the Mexicans out. I wonder now that he has got the job if it will ever be built

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Hey Eric, get ready for an immigration flood of gun totting, deranged loons heading your way ....... Well, that is if you Cannucks could be bothered to hustle your laid back arses in to motion to sort out your immigration website.

Then again your Canadian, so why bother with the extra aggro of all them crazy Amuricans eh! ;) :D

Move to Canada trends and immigration site crashes as Donald Trump becomes US president | World | News | Daily Express

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Sounds to me like yer wavering a bit from yer first comment?:D

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Maybe we'll just up the number of immigrants we take this year.

There's a new number one hit today in Alberta and Saskatchewan::D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7c2ZKamzS4

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the US election; the people have spoken, that's is democracy,

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Mutti just can't let it go!

taken from the New York Times

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has offered President-elect Donald Trump "close cooperation" on the basis of shared trans-Atlantic values that she says include respect for human dignity regardless of people's origin, gender or religion.
Merkel told reporters in Berlin on Wednesday that the campaign which ended in Trump's victory featured "confrontations that were difficult to bear."
Merkel stressed Germany's close historical connection with the United States. She said: "Germany and America are connected by values: democracy, freedom, respect for the law and for the dignity of human beings, independently of origin, skin color, religion, gender, sexual orientation or political views."
She added: "On the basis of these values, I am offering the future president of the United States of America, Donald Trump, close cooperation."
She said the partnership with the U.S. "is a foundation stone of German foreign policy."


This, from the leader of a country that destroyed Europe & the world twice in the 20th Century via armed conflict, was then raised from the ruins of its own folly by the American dollar after their second attempt & making them an economic success to the detriment of many others. And now, in the 21st century, seemingly determined to destroy & dilute themselves & Europe once more care of "Merkels mongrels" flooding the western european lands.


Absolutely incredulous!

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Says a lot to me that Russia's Putin was thrilled to bits with Trump being elected - two of a kind???

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True, but like the "Remoaners" they will bitch about it.:rolleyes:

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Well it would to you,:rolleyes: not even considering another possibility.

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I like that bit about "Germany's close historical connection with the United States of America.":rolleyes: She could be referring to things like that massive international beach party held back in the summer of '44.:rofl38:

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That they may my dear Chap, but I do believe the mindset of your average American, along with their temperament, constitution (and personal armoury) would readily quell any simpering whinyness coming from your precious liberal snowflakes & therefore most robustly & vehemently finalize the issue.

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Indubitably, I believe the Germans were the hosts on the occasion & gave a rather raucous welcome to our Lads & their Allies.

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They may well do so, tend not to pish about oer yon.:D

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Do they also have "Laggy pants" (elasticated) oer yon? I ask mainly because if so "The Donald" for his ease in the long run would be wise to invest in several pairs.

It'll make the constant yanking of them down, for a long & impressive line of Politicoes & sneerers from the world, lining up to bend the knee, pucker up & kiss the arse of the man they so readily disdained, that much easier on all concerned.

Oh the Joy! :D

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Again, just like after Brexit there are 'experts'(we all know that X marks the spot and a spurt is just a drip under pressure...don't we?) pontificating on what will happen.
NO-ONE KNOWS.....not even septic Peg.
We all have seen the experts be wrong. We just have to wait and see.
The Americans voted. They got who they wanted. Now let's sit back and see what happens.

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Thats democracy like what shoulda happened after Brexit, but didn't.:rolleyes:

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Not like you to jump to conclusions Cashy :rolleyes: - you wouldn't have any way of knowing how many possibilities I've considered :D
Was just an observation made from a gut instinct, feminine intuition if you like - the whole thing just makes me very uneasy but I suppose at least he's an elected leader unlike our present incumbent in power.

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I have to admit that he also stimulates my vomit factor. I do not like the way he has debased women and I know that he may say it is locker room talk...but it is not what you want from someone who is to be a world leader.

He plays to the lowest common denominator. His mouth is ahead of any rational thought....and that he funded his own campaign only means one thing...money talks.(and it can be used to buy power - that should be a cause for concern)

I do not like him, but respect the fact that he is the man the Americans want to lead them.
Now whether he can achieve all the things that he has sold his campaign on is the real crux of the matter

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I have a number of American friends that served in Saudi and a number from the time that I lived there. A complete mix of backgrounds, ethnicity, employment and political views. However, one particular item seemed to unite them all in disapproval of Clinton - hundreds of thousands of emails that "disappeared" from her personal insecure server and all the garbage that revolved around that, for instance, how can any organisation scrutinise 680,000 emails in a few days.
I had the same thoughts and also curiosity as to the amount of money received by the Clinton Foundation from dubious sources and where the money - allegedly billions, has gone. To cap that an audit was carried out headed up by Chelsea Clinton to clear the foundation of any wrongdoing. The mind boggles, perhaps a Night of the Long Knives will happen.

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Aye Barrie but many people ignore that fact also they were deleted after she had been supened, now common sense tells me, that if i had NOTHING to hide, then i would Never delete em.:rolleyes: but seems locker room filth is much worse to some people.:rolleyes:

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Cashy, I think that your comment about locker room filth is a little unfair.(I am that 'some person')
You cannot compare the faults of these two American politicians....they are not comparable at all.
Neither of these people are suitable for the serious office of President.

Some of the things he has said about women are deeply offensive. How he has treated women has been offensive. Saying that women should be punished for having an abortion is despicable.All this shows that he is bad at making judgements.
Hilary Clinton is no better, she also has shown herself to be criminally negligent...and duplicitous.
But then it seems to me that those attributes are valued in politics.
I liked neither of these people and we heard very little about what they plan to do(other than Donald Trump being contentious in saying he will build a wall to keep the Mexicans out...and that he will turf Muslims out of the country).not much was said about what would be done and how it would be achieved.

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Time and time again, we see those that know better, that think we, the ill educated shouldn't be allowed to have a say in the running of OUR lives.

How many times in recent history have they been wrong?
Yet they still try to convince us it is we that are wrong.
They never change policy or attitude nor from what I can see do they take the time to think, 'could life actually be better if we listened to the masses?'

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I don't think they give us, the ill educated masses(how I hate that they think they know us, know what we need, know what we should have) a seconds thought.
We are not considered at all.
My jaundiced view is that politicians (of all persuasions) enter politics in order to improve their lives not ours.

I am glad I was not American, I would not have been able to vote for either of these people.
I disliked them both equally, but for different reasons.

Whatever our views are about the situation in the U.S. we can have no influence on what happens there.

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No influence whatsoever, (we can't even influence our local M.P.)
As many have already said though, it's time for them (and they are already queuing up) to kiss Trump's arse, so no change there.

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I also like neither of em,and am glad they aint standing oer here, but i have already said i would have voted Trump if i had that choice,and i stand by that. point is to me, though both aint suitable but fact is yer only mentioning now about Clinton being criminally negligent, so it seems to me yer being unfair not i.:confused:

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No Cashy, I said in my first post that neither were suitable...I just didn't go into the details because though Hilary Clinton had been accused of wrongdoings, she had not been subject to charges, even though she had been investigated.
I found Donald Trump's treatment of women to be offensive(maybe that is because I am a woman)but also he was very inflammatory in his campaign. Maybe that was to keep him in the public eye.After all I reckon that politics is like show business. There is no such thing as bad publicity.
It was a dirty contest by two dirty politicians. There was no honour in either of them...but of course we all have our opinions and I respect you for yours. I just would not have voted

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Maybe you could send this off to the folks who publish the Oxford English Dictionary so that they can include it in their definition of "Politician" in the next edition.;)

Gotta admit that what happened last night does restore a little faith in Democracy. Just love it when the voters don't do what they are told to do or supposed to do.:D

The Donald's major problem will not be Mexican rapists or ISIS terrorists flooding into the US, but that he will have to face a hostile congress made up of Democrats and traditional Republicans ... to pick one example at more or less random: The Senior Senator from Arizona.

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Listening to the Vox populi of the 'Mericans, those interviewed & paraded across the news programmes seem to be in two groups:

(1) Those fanatical for their candidate regardless of their pride & prejudices
(2) Those who chose a lesser of two evils or as was quoted "the least dislikeable" from their particular point of view.

To my mind, both were at turns "cringeworthy" & on occasion worthy of note for a particular passage in their diatribes, but Hell! Not my problem as I don't live in the land of the free & death by multiple firearms on a casual basis, I'm an exiled Englishman, living in the land of the Krautlets! ;)

So me, I'm just gunna sit back & watch the fireworks!

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All those millions of people in America – how pathetic that these two were the best they could come up with. What a terrible state of affairs when many voters were saying they were going to vote for the one they hated the least – not the one they thought would be the best choice. Both candidates so unpopular.

IMHO Donald Trump is a loose cannon. Hopefully he will learn to think before he speaks – because that’s not what he has been doing up to now.

He appears to be a man who changes with the tide. For instance he has been affiliated to some 4 different political parties over the years, not to mention having had three wives. By the way, DinG, he is not a self-made man although he has definitely improved on what his father had already amassed. He's always been used to having money.

Early on in this fight to the White House when he thought he might lose he said the voting was rigged – didn’t hear him mention this yesterday. Or maybe he knew something the rest of us didn’t….and maybe he was speaking the truth.

Hmm!!! now what was that Kanye West said - something about HE would be President one day and we laughed but after yesterday's result anything could happen!

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It might be worthwhile checking out a list of US Presidents ... seems like a Who's Who of incompetents, crooks, liars, drunks, and philanderers. Maybe Donald isn't all that bright. But GW ... nuff said. And one of the more popular and likable Presidents of the 20th century, Ronny Reagan. You know, the guy who was supporting actor to a chimp, the one who thought the Village People's "In the Navy" would be a great recruiting song.

A loose cannon? Maybe. But the Prez who took us closest to the brink was JFK. Seems he also had a problem keeping it in his pants (and out of Marilyn Monroe's;))

For me, the point at which this election veered out of the path of political debate, and into the centre aisle of the Theatre of the Absurd, was Jessica Drake's accusing Donald Trump of inappropriate touching.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: Ms Drake is a beautiful and talented woman. Her work is on display on popular sites like "Pornhub," and numerous other sites that gentlemen resort to when they've popped a Viagra and their date cancels.:D

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You've hit the nail on the head, Eric, with your descriptions of Who's Who. Unfortunately this also applies to some others in public office.

I don't think Hillary C's Billyboy helped her cause that much either.

However, whether Jessica Drake is a porn star or not she still has/had the right to be offended by uncalled for and inappropriate touching by anyone, even Mr. Trump.

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As long as his rockets don't land in your backyard....and his pinwheels don't singe your whiskers son, it will be a fine show.

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Spot on Dotti. No woman should have to submit to unwarranted attention from men who think, that because they are famous, a celebrity, they can as DT said 'grab a handful of pu$$y'.
This man reminds me so much of Jimmy Savile. (That really creeps me out)
As a businessman I am sure he is not above some double dealing to get where he wants to be...so yes, as a politician, he should fit in just fine.

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You're wasting your breath, hon. I happen to fully agree with you. But the realist in me knows that this puts me in a minority of men. In a world in which an attractive woman in a short skirt and heels is seen to be "asking for it", Ms Drake doesn't stand a chance of avoiding ridicule ... probably from many women too. Ok, she has a small chance ... "snowball in hell" comes to mind.

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I'm not sure that you are in a minority of men Eric.
I would sincerely hope you aren't.
I wonder how Donald Trump would react if his daughters had been subjected to the kind of treatment that he meted out to other women.
he is a lech, and leopards do not change their spots.

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I had a pleasant evening In Read Con last night and it was bliss.
Not one word was spoken about the Election or Trump.

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Russell, that sounds like heaven to me.
I spent the evening crafting so was not disturbed by the many and varied opinions of this election.
It may take a few days for the furore to die down.

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Well, if it gives you comfort thinking this, go ahead. I'll stick with what I said. In fact, in some groups of men .... let't pick one at random: "muslims";) ... the minority is so small that it would hardly register on a graph. Oh, and let's not forget about Rednecks.

And Trump's probable reaction if his daughter were groped? Irrelevant.

And let's not ignore that many women think this way too. Particularly among the group that can no longer pull a tight skirt over their ankles, let alone their asses.

If you ever get bored and are having trouble sleeping, try this: Darwin, "The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex.";)

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Think it will take more than a few days Margaret, they are marching in city's protesting against democracy, just like the re-moaners here wi Brexit, pathetic people who only want democracy when it suits them.:rolleyes:

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I think you might be right on that Cashy.

Eric, I don't think I will get that bored. I have far too much in my life right now.
Boredom would not motivate me into reading such a tome...but curiousity might.

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Maybe folks lucky enough to live in democracies will stop taking democracy for granted and put down their smart phones long enough to get their asses to a polling station and vote. I'll drink to that:drink:

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I take my smartphone with me these days when I go to vote, it gives me a warm feeling that something in the polling booth isn't as ill educated as the guy putting the X on the paper.

Strange isn't it?
The people calling us ill educated are the very ones that are supposedly in charge of ensuring education is up to standard.
Maybe it's their fault and not ours?

I do believe, the buck should well and truly stop with them, not the victims of their poor education system.

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I think in actual fact, our wonderful M.P. should perhaps turn his attentions towards education, if he had actually been given one that was worthwhile, maybe he would realise he has been taken for a similar ride as the rest of us?

Education, Education, Education, the more we spend on that the better we and those we vote for will become.

Too late for my generation, that doesn't mean any future generation should be condemned just because those foolishly voted into power won't spend money educating us to their imagined standard.

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Education seems to be the people demonstrating against democracy.:rolleyes:

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Hey Cash, the Tech wasn't that bad. I think the fun will start when Trump has to have a meaningful debate about things that really matter. No swearing, no insults, just common sense.

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Common sense is not a flower that grows well in every garden.
It is a plant that needs less fertiliser and more nurture.

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Notice today riots in usa oer Trumps election, setting fire to shops etc thats real democracy, :rolleyes: Obama should clamp down big time on these people, but no doubt he wont.:rolleyes:

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Seems the UK isn't alone when it comes to deniers, snowflakes & remainiac equivalents, the "Donald" could be scuppered by self serving interest according to this article:

Donald Trump could lose presidency to Hillary Clinton because of White House loophole | World | News | Daily Express

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Ooh look at that, an "Americal" division of the lefty rent a mob! How .... unsurprising!

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Not much Obama can do on this one. It's really up to the Governors of the States where the unrest is taking place. They can call out the National Guard and ask the Feds for financial aid. Anyway he's too busy packing his stuff and figuring out if any of his cronies need a Presidential Pardon before he leaves office.:D And the US is no stranger to civil unrest ... or, come to think of it, all out civil war.

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This one isn't really all that simple. The Express got a couple of things wrong. Not surprising really, given that I don't think anyone understands the intricacies of US politics. Well, maybe God does. That's probably why US politicians rely on him so much.:D First, the Electoral College is not a loophole. Loopholes are usually, perhaps always, tiny flaws or "openings" in legislation that someone with expensive enough lawyers can exploit. Loopholes can also be closed. This one can't be closed. And it was not an accident that it is there. The founding fathers put it there on purpose and, in the American system, it has the same degree of sanctity as the Constitution. It is part of a system of checks and balances by which the Founding Fathers attempted, and failed, albeit gloriously, to create a perfect democracy.

Second, the article refers to the College going against the popular vote. If in the very unlikely circumstance that they do something that has never been done before, they will be going with the popular vote which Clinton won, as did Al Gore.

Whatever. It ain't gonna happen.

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1181183]Seems the UK isn't alone when it comes to deniers, snowflakes & remainiac equivalents, the "Donald" could be scuppered by self serving interest according to this article:QUOTE]

This reminds me of the post referendum furore. Who knows how things will turn out with Trump as President, who knows how it would turn out if Clinton had won.
Yes, she has diplomatic/political experience (also, allegedly, a complete disregard for Security, financial wrongdoing, and sacrificing American lives through inaction), but remember how others who had diplomatic/political experience screwed up their country - Heath, Blair, Brown amongst others.
Trump doesn't have any diplomatic/political experience, but he is a very successful business man, some failures but more successes. Already there are encouraging signs coming from Putin and others, and unlike Obama and Clinton, the UK will not be at the back of the queue for trade deals, in fact he will possibly use a quick trade deal with UK to shake up a number of other countries - or Unions of countries.

As with Brexit, we can only wait and see, with hope and prayers if you are that way inclined.

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Well we would be back of the queue fer a trade deal if Clinton had won,that much even i know.;) thats now unlikely to be the case. The simple fact Putin makes encouraging comments also would not have occured n to me that can only be ok.

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True indeed. Speculation on what he will do is of the idle kind, fit only for bar room arguments, talk shows, and selling newspapers. Trump will no doubt hold the unofficial title of "Leader of the Free World", wherever that is; but, especially in his own country his powers are very limited. He will find himself having to kiss a whole lot of Congressional ass in order to get things done. Puker up Donald if you want the support of the Representative from Asshole, Oklahoma or Bum****, Idaho. Theresa May has way more power in the UK than Trump will have in the US. All he has is a bigger house in a worse neighbourhood.

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A little humor to brighten your day.

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Wonder what Donald T will think when he hears that the staff at Madame Tussauds are using the hair from a Yak’s belly to make the hairpiece for the wax sculpture of him. Apparently this matches up well.

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I still can’t get my head around why people refuse to accept the election & referendum results, do they really believe that the minority should rule over the majority,

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To me Kids today in the main cannot accept things if it dont suit. in the usa @ here to me democracy's meaning should be taught in schools, its just selfish spoilt gets that cannot accept the will of the people.:rolleyes:

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It seems that politicians over in the US and over here are wakening up to the fact that the electorate cannot be ignored. They might be beginning to realise that the ordinary man in the street wants to be given credit for being able to say how they want their country to be governed.
But politicians can say anything they think will win them votes and then do just as they please once they get into office.

Our own little town has first hand experience of this.

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To Quote another 'Merican icon, "Stupid is as stupid does!"

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Now that you mention it .... :D




https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nge-of-pledges


Maybe, as I think you mentioned, leopards don't change their spots; but sometimes they turn into elephants ... maybe even donkeys.:D

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Seems Obama has stuck his oar in again in Berlin, Hes told the Germans to vote fer Merkel.:rolleyes: With any luck it will have the same effect it did in the U.K. oer Brexit? DinG can perhaps comment on this?

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We now have a peer who thinks that we need immigration to boost the thinking power of the British people. He reckons that the British are as he puts it 'so bloody stupid'.

I concede that some immigration is necessary, but we should be making sure that those who are coming to live here can live by western values and have skills that we need.

We should not have the kind of immigration levels which were fostered during the Bliar administration (and no, that is not a spelling error. It is how I think of this self seeking, egotistical man).

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Cashy, I am sure the voters over in Germany know their own minds.

They do not need help in making decisions from someone from over the pond....even if that someone is Barack Obama.

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Aye he's been kissin' arse, saying how right Merkels policies are & what wonderful friends the krauts have been. As to his endorsement of Merkel, probably as useful as it was for cam-moron & Brexit (hopefully the kiss of death). There's a groundswell of discontent bubbling under the surface in Germany, even her own party & aligned partner (CSU in Bayern) are muttering about her replacement due to the damage shes brought down upon the CDU over the past couple of years.

AfD (populist right) are making inroads & gaining more support, but I think they'll remain outsiders in next years elections, that said though, the support they garner could well turn them into "King makers", as Germany uses a system of Proportional Representation & direct voting so coalitions are usually the way of gaining the majority in the "Bundestag"

Then again despite all that, the Germans seem to show an unbelieveable propensity for stupidity & will more often than not re-elect the people they've spent the last term bitching about! :whack:

In the words of one Mr. Forrest Gump, "Stupid is, as stupid does!"

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Just what the world needs.
Someone with no clue (Obama).
Explaining Trump to the Germans.
Oh my!

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1914 & 1939 spring to mind.:rolleyes:

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, we now know 1914 & 1939 weren't the best way to go about things but how many of us make the mistake of turning 'what if' into an unworkable challenge.

Not to worry, history has a habit of repeating itself even if it never gets the facts right.

So maybe third time lucky?