Brick, Red Brick Barn, Hapton
 

Does anyone have any information about a building shown on the first edition of
the Ordnance Survey maps as Brick Barn ?

It was situated on the Hapton side of the later to come Power Station, an old drinking buddy of mine by the name of Henry Holt once told me a tale, well not a tale more of a fact, that he was born in the front bedroom of the said Brick Barn and his birth place was registered as Hapton; his brother however was born in the back bedroom and his birthplace was registered as Huncoat.
This does seem to be highly feasable as the boundry stream now runs in a culvert directly under the old still visable (if you know where to look) ruined building.
Maybe one for you Rowlf

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Ok Taddy, I will try and find out for you. There is a meeting of the Hapton Heritage group next week so maybe someone there can shed some light on it.I will let you know.

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Many thanks.

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Not sure if it's the same place,on the canal bank,but Davemac and I have both posted pics of the ruins on here somewhere.

You could try looking on this link:-
Roy's information site on Huncoat, History, Walking and Weather etc.

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Thanks for the above, I have Roy's information on Huncoat, as for whether Brick Barn is on or by the canal I can only answer no.

Since the M65 and it's link road to Huncoat and Hapton were built, Brick Barn or the remnants of it, is virtually isolated; access to it is restricted to the footpath that runs in front of Grime, (sorry), Peter Grime Row from Altham Lane and then following the old Power Station wire mesh fence as it turns North/left towards the railway. a small grove of Elderberry bushes parks the site within maybe fifty yards.

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There is reference to brick barn on Roy's site. Quote..1844 Brick Barn farm in fields east of Blind Lane Ends. There is a photo on there too. If I find anything else from the Heritage meeting I will let you know Taddy.

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Sorry, should have read marks the site,:o

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Huncoat area was once under Burnley then changed to be under Accrington.This might account for changes in birth place.Some of my ancestors fell under that change.

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Both Hapton and Huncoat came under Burnley for registration certainly in 1916 when my father was born in Huncoat and my mother in Hapton. Putting either village as the place of birth was obviously what the registrar was told and perhaps the brothers were registered by two different people who had differing ideas as to exactly where Brick Barn Farm was.

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The actual place of registration for both villages was Padiham. I remember my dad saying his father and his uncle walked from Huncaot to Padiham to register both him and his cousin. The registrar from Burnley must have had a surgery in Padiham on certain days.

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Yes you are correct, Huncoat became part of Accrington in 1929/30, the two brothers that I refered to in my first post were born before that date when Huncoat was still a parish? (part) of Burnley.

Many thanks for all/any information.

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After reading my first post again, it does seem misleading; where I have said each brother was (registered), one in Hapton and the other in Huncoat, what was probably said was, one was born in Hapton and the other in Huncoat.

Don't forget that this conversation happened probably forty/forty five years ago in the (then White Lion Hotel), after consuming what was then good strong real ale.
No such drink as the ice cold no taste stuff of today.

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Ha Ha sounds like you had a good night Taddy.

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Fi9rst time I've heard about the Hapton Heritage Group. Please have a look at the Lancashire Local History Federation's website. It is an umbrella for such groups.

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Have a look at our site Bob. Haptonheritage.co.uk. We were formed in 2011 and have a dozen members who regularly attend our monthly meetings. Although only a small group compared to some we are dedicated in preserving all things to do with Hapton.

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Hello Rowlf, any more info on the brick,Red Brick Barn.

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Not yet Taddy. There is a meeting of the Heritage group next Tuesday so I will ask if anyone knows any thing about Red Brick Barn and I will get back to you.

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Many thanks in anticipation.

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Hi Taddy. I mentioned the farm in A.O.B. but no one had heard of it. Unfortunately the bloke who I thought might have an old map was not there due to a family illness. I will try and get hold of him. A couple of the group said they would see what they could find out. One suggested the Heritage centre in the Arndale in Accrington might have some old maps or something so maybe worth you calling in there sometime. Sorry I am not much help but I will keep trying for you.

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Thank You

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You are very welcome Taddy. Have you had a look at `the Hapton heritage website? There are a few photos of me on there......trouble is you wont know who you are looking at. Ha Ha. bet my dad would have been able to help you about the farm. He was born and brought up in Huncoat.

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In the center of this map between Huncoat and Hapton from about 1840 is "Brick Barn".Could this be your "Red Brick Barn".Names do get changed over time.

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I think that could be what Taddy is asking about. Where did you find the map?

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Map from Mario Maps.Not easy to use but with some trial and error and time you will get there.One clever thing you can lay an old map on top of a modern one to see exact positions.Don't get hooked on it!. MARIO - Maps & Related Information Online

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Thank you Less, yes that barn is the one I am refering to; I have a copy of the said map, if you expand it two or three times you can make out the stream that forms the boundry between Huncoat and Hapton runs directly under the building
making my old friends original statement that he was born in Hapton whilst his brother, (born in a different room), was born in Huncoat; feasable.

Thanks for the info.

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I will have a look at the Hapton heritage site Rolfe, by the way on an earlier post I seem to remember you saying that your father was once the landlord of the Black Bull, (sadly no longer a hostelry), was his Christian name Jack and did you and your husband once have a shop on Warner Street at one (time)?

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It was my great grandfather who was landlord of the Black Bull. His name was Thomas Edward Smith. He lived in a cottage at the side of the pub which is now the car park I believe. He was a miner previously holding the position of President of the Accrington and District Miners Federation and when he retired from that his son, my grandfather Harry Smith, took over the role. My dad was born across the road from the Black Bull in Ormerod Row then at No 1 James Street until he married my mum and moved to Hapton. I have never lived in Huncoat. My dads eldest sister Hilda lived in the village all her life.She died in 2003. She was a governor at the village school I think. I know she unveiled the plaque in the school to the men of WW1 who lost their lives.

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Many thanks for that Rowlf, the cottage that you refer to is still there, it was used as the kitchen of the pub for many years. Ormerod Row was still in existance up until probably the 1960s.

My first taste of ale was in the Black Bull in 1961, when I was only 14 year's old and the landlord at the time was a man called Jack Fender, he was married to a lady called Hilda and their daughter I believe married the owner of the Little clock shop on Warner Street, hence my pun on my last post as (at the "time"), could the aforsaid Hilda have been one of your relatives?

Just as an aside, the cottage that you mentioned has had a coffin in the bedroom for as long as I can remember.

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No Taddy the Hilda you mention is not any relation of mine. My aunt was Hilda Gregory who lived in Enfield Road, next to bottom house. Speaking of coffins, when my G,Grandfather died he was too large for them to get him down the stairs of the cottage so they had to take the window out. My dad always said the cottage he lived in though was to the right of the pub in what is now the car park. I only have that to go off as he died in Jan 1935. Another story was that when he was dying he said if they let him go 'across' to the Bull he would cure himself. That sounds like he was where dad said and not a cottage attached to the pub.

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If you were 14 in 1961 Taddy you are a few years younger than me.

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I can remember Hilda Gregory but her husbands name escapes me, they were both active members of the local labour party as were my parents; their meetings were held in a wooden hut on what was known locally as "Woodcocks Pen" at the bottom of Fish Lane, now called Lynwood Road; Hilda and her husband were frequent visitors to ("Our"),my parents house whenever there was an election.I can remember Labour Party posters being put up in our front windows asking people to vote Labour.

Shame we no longer have the people of her calibre putting up for the Labour party nowaday's.

As for the cottage being on the right, if you stand with your back to the pub, then yes it would be on your right but then again if you stood looking at the pub from the road,where the car park is now, there used to be buildings known as the "corn exchange", maybe this also included a cottage or two?

You have got me intrigued, I will try to dig up a little more information

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By the way, the story of having to take the window out is a tale/fable, whatever, that I have heard before; Many fables or whatever one likes to call them are based on fact.

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Oh the story of the window being taken out is definitely true. Hilda's husband was called John. He had a stroke and had to have both his legs amputated. He used to like a drink in the Railway pub. You are right about Hilda's involvement with the Labour Party. My granny Smith was too. I remember going to the hut in Fish Lane when I stayed with her in the early 50s. They used to have whist drives there. I have a cutting from the Observer of my gran being presented with something for her loyal work with the party. Her husband my grandfather stood twice in Accrington in elections and I still have the election leaflets. The cottage must have been in the Corn Exchange then. What were your parents called then. I might recognise the names.

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I loved listening to my dad and Hilda May Knowles(Nee Whittaker) who lived in Burnley Lane talking about the old Huncoat characters. I used to be in stitches. Folk like 'Owd Up a Tree' and ' Owd Oh Mi Eye'. I wish I had recorded them. I do have 2 cd of my dad which the Sound Archives in Clitheroe castle recorded of him talking about his childhood in the village. He talks of all the shops there were and even a bank.

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William,(little Billy and May Hadfield, they were members of the very socialist, left wing, Independent Labour Party before joining the Labour Party.

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Huncote Annie, De-a-fun, (Deaf UN), Tommy Tac, (Thomas Arthur Coulson), Weighty, were other names that I remember my father talking about.

I realise that I am asking a lot but would there be any chance of you doing me a copy of the 2 cd set that you mention, I will pay for any expences (within reason of course), I am a renowned (tight) old devil. ;);)

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Almost forgot but the Corn Exchange could have been called "The Corn Market", not Exchange.

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I will see if I can get copies of the cds for you Taddy. Weighty was the nickname of my G.Grandad who had the Black Bull !!!

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Maybe Weighty was a common nickname, the Weighty that my father related to was the baths superintendent at Broadmeadows Colliery, (Huncoat Pit); in the 1960s/1970s.

Would Herbert Smith a training officer at Bank hall Pit in Burnley, who lived in a council house at the bottom of Enfield Road, (Oer lines), as we used to say be any relation of your's ? Again going back to the 50s/60s.

Many thanks for your kind offer.

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The Herbert Smith you mention is no relation. Strangely my grandad did have a brother called Herbert though and he worked as a checkman at a pit but not sure which one but certainly not in the 50/60s.

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I have come across a photograph of the Corn exchange/Market, showing the original cottages with a young boy stood outside one of the said cottages; these dwellings were, (as you say Rolfe), on the opposite side of the now car park of the (used to be) Black Bull.

The photo was taken, (I think), in the early nineteen fifties

If the photo is of any significance to you, let me know and I will print you a copy and somehow get it to you. (I do not know how to send it online).

Regards, Taddy.

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Thanks Taddy . I would love to have a copy of the cottages. If you can get a copy printed perhaps I could send you my address on a private message.

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I have already scanned and printed some copies. As you say above, let me have your address and I will drop them off.

Your's Taddy.