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I have a plan for the treaty negotiations… cost effective for the electorate (only needs one 10 minute meeting)

1 - We won’t chuck out anyone from the EU currently in our country if you don’t chuck out any UK citizens currently in EU countries, but from now on we can both look at the value they will bring before we allow them in, the final decision being based on the needs of the individual country.

2 – We won’t add any additional taxes to your stuff coming into our country, if you don’t add any to ours coming into yours

3 – We won’t try to mess with your judicial system, and you don’t try to mess with ours

4 – We’ll agree to the European arrest warrant because it benefits you as much as it benefits us

5 – We can have Dundee cakes made in Cornwall, Chorley cakes made in Newcastle and buy bananas that ignores the EU directive "free from malformation or abnormal curvature" (even though the EU has never given an exact definition of what exactly ‘abnormal curvature’ is)

6 – Finally....we can trade with whoever we want, we can negotiate and agree on price and amount all by ourselves with anyone on the planet, whenever we feel like it.

If you don’t agree to these proposals.. Tough! We are doing them anyway, screw with them at your peril!

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Will all the people from the EU that are here still be getting free NHS and benefits hand outs etc? It's been said that there are more Poles living in the UK than Brits living in the rest of the EU.

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Everyone coming here who has not paid into the system should have to have health insurance(or we should be able to Bill their country for the exact cost of the treatment as it is given here).
You should have to have paid contributions for five years before you can access the NHS without cost, but given the fact that the NHS is useless at determining who should pay. I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

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Thats quite simple,yeh pay in to the system then yeh get treatment, i discovered that when i lived in Spain, didn't bother me at all cos i had been paying into their system.:rolleyes: By the way Spains a member of the E.U.

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the figures were on teh radio today and we do very badly on the free movement thing

lets be honest who realy wants to live in the majority of the countries immigrants come from

they arnt coming here because their country is awesome

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when i was i n spain the hospital would not entertain the European medical card thing that is supposed to ensure you get treated etc

they insisted upon my travel insurance so they could screw every penny from it they could

80 euros before the ambulance would even set off to come get me

imagine if our ambulances wouldnt set off until the immigrant had coughed up 80 quid

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We applied for, and received, French Medical (Green) Cards. Just like a bank card which you had to produce at the Doctors, Pharmacy and Hospital. I never worked in France (well, a bit on the black), but we were paying tax - National and the two forms of Council Tax. For certain health problems everything was free but for everything else you paid a proportion - 3E at the GP Surgery, 1/3 of cost at Pharmacy, and 14E for food (?), per day in the Hospital. Top-up insurance was readily available if wanted, which covered all the additional costs.

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If the EU say no deal to a reciprocal agreement regarding people from the EU already here, do you think our Border Agency know where all the EU migrants are? And if by some chance they do, do you think that they would all be rounded up and sent home?
We don't deport the illegal immigrants who commit crimes. They only have to cite article 8 of the human rights act(I think that is the one that says they have a right to a family life and privacy) and the judiciary disappear up their own bottoms.
We just need to get it over with...tell them we are leaving and get out by the nearest door.

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And then you have our MP having a go at the UKIP leader for agreeing with Trump over the use of torture on terrorists, (as do many Hollywood luvvies from behind their security gates, panic rooms, gun totin' bodyguards and VIP treatment whisking them through airport security)

It's an emotive subject, but I make no apologies for my own stance...if you are prepared to strap a bomb to your body, make a plan for others to strap a bomb to their bodies and bomb public places, behead innocents, stone women and children to death because of their beliefs or fly planes into workplaces etc... You lack even base 'humanity' and therefore lose your right to be treated humanely.

Live by the sword....be prepared to have the sword stuck under your fingernails

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Yes,it is an emotive subject. We have ducked it for too long. Since when have the rights of the criminal few weighed heavier than those of the many law abiding citizens.
We must be the laughing stock of the world. There are other countries who are bound by the EHRC that seem to fare better with their judiciary. They seem to interpret the rules so that those who flout criminal law get what they deserve...and it isn't a council house and benefits.
A lot of what the courts are doing right now is secret too. So we are not allowed to know these things about illegal immigrants who perpetrate criminal acts.
Justice not only has to be done, it has to been seen to be done.

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well, we ALL know what a success our current representative has been.
His success has been in the pursuit of feathers for his own nest...not ours.
I certainly will not be voting for him again. I had high hopes that we would be represented by someone with an eye to making our town a better place to live.

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100% CORRECT in my view, its certainly not nice but the only sensible way forward in my view, our M.P. would probably give em a beer and a fag,like the other useless Luvvies would.sorry Graham but thats my honest view.

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I think it is time the judges changed their way of thinking about most of the sentences etc that they deal out. People who kill with a vehicle because they are over the limit or just down right dangerous driving and only get a couple of years. The High Court that announced Parliament had to vote on Article 50 had all been in favour of staying in the Eu so there was no way they would rule against. There needs to be a radical overall of the judicial system and the victims given far more consideration than the villians.

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Labour showing exactly why they are no longer the party of the people yet again

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Rowlf, just don't hold your breath. These judges are part and parcel of those elite who think that the rest of us(the ones who pay their wages) are just serfs...plebs,to be ignored because we (they think) do not have the brains to bless ourselves.
How can these judges judge fairly when the majority of them have some kind of ties to the EU. They can dismiss the votes of the 17.4 million people who voted to leave the EU...and that is democracy in action.

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Labour has not been the party of the people for a very long time,and the last nails were put into the coffin when Tony Blair came to office. He did more damage to this country than any German bombers because he did it insidiously and tried to make us believe it was for our own good.
In short, that man sold us down the river.

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our MP hasnt exactly helped to restore faith in the labour party

voted against us having a referendum and im sure his promotion in the party was just coincidence after he dropped his trousers for milliband

a career politician who has proven he cant be trusted especially with matters over the EU



i just hope Hyndburn wakes up to the fact he does not represent us he is against us and thinks he knows better than us and that we should do as he says not him do as we say as it should be

i have no doubt this man will betray hyndburn again at the first possible chance he gets

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I don't think our MP fits the description of a 'career politician'. My definition of such would be the person who has done nothing other than be a politician...someone who has never had a real job and does not know the difficulties in the life of a working person.
As such they can almost( I said ALMOST) be forgiven for their short comings.

This is NOT the case with out MP. He has worked at something other than politics. I would imagine he knows what it is like to try to make ends meet, to struggle to get a mortgage...and then to pay for it. In short he has lkived the life of a working person.
That makes his treatment of us...the people of Accrington even worse. It is a betrayal of the worst kind because it is a calculated betrayal in order for him to climb the political ladder. He is prepared to walk over us to satisfy his ambitions.

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He's just starting his career, he's ignored the wants of his constituents but not his party, he is going to be a useful tool for them.

Just watch if (and I hope it's when) at the next election our town throws him out, the powers that be within his party will move him to a constituency that knows nothing about him except that he has been a loyal labour supporter, that will be enough to keep him sucking up, he's good at that, then betraying the people he's meant to represent.

He will never, ever, be short of a bob or two anymore, I hope one day his conscience prevents him from sleeping at night.

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Yes Less.
Pity the poor folk he is parachuted onto. He will have absolutely no interest in their problems, their issues...but then it has been clearly shown that that is not what he is about.
He is out to make connections so that if his days in politics are numbered, he will have more strings to his bow.

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With Labour's positive discrimination policy they may decide to put a woman up for election next time. They appear to be doing that locally

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I'm all for positive discrimination.

IF

It means weed out the useless and only put up a worthy candidate.

IF

It means weed out the useful and put up a woman because her only asset is being a woman then it is wrong for women and society. Same goes for pushing forward any member of a minority.

What would the world be like if positive discrimination meant put up any moron for the position let them have a chance to prove what they are...

...Hang on, maybe we already do that?

:confused:

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Something we agree on :eek:

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I have just seen a good poster on F.B. it said "I will never vote for an M.P. that votes against the democratic will of the people" I agree 100% with that statement. anyone else?

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Yes...me too.
I don't think the gender of the MP matters one jot.
What matters is how they relate to their constituents.
Do they know the difficulties of the area they represent? Do they have ideas as to how those difficulties can be overcome or reduced...are they happy to go against the will of the party to represent their constituents?
I think that the Labour Party are deluded if they think that putting women up for selection will get them out of the hole they dug for themselves...their problems are many and varied, but what they just don't get is that the electorate wants to be listened to. To have their concerns acknowledged...and actions put into place to deal with the concerns.

What the electorate certainly do NOT need is sneery, snidey comments that some politicians use...They do not need the politicians to regard the electorate as brainless ill educated plebs.

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They will always regard the electorate as that i reckon, arrogance knows no bounds. imho they think in general they are better and more educated than us plebs.

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Better educated? Perhaps, after all its they that set our standard of education.
However thousands of pounds worth of private education isn't worth tuppence without common sense!

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And that, Cashy .....is where they get it so wrong...and why they have lost faith and followers.

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im just curious as to if he will have the nerve to vote against the will of the people yet again

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I think he will

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So do I.

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It will allow him to cock a snook at us, his constituents, and at Jeremy Corbyn, the party Leader. Which tells us all we need to know about him...that he might have (misdirected)principles, but they are directed to his own ends rather than those of the town, or for that matter his party.
He has no respect for the people who voted for him or for the party he follows. He would be altogether better out of politics.

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I think all the M.P.s that vote against article 50,whichever party they are from,should be SACKED. cos the excuse "My constituents voted to remain" is NOT GOOD ENOUGH, Referendum means will of the people, the people voted leave, so that in a democracy should be that, remove the scum is what i say.:mad:

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That is assuming he is in the House (Parliament), and if he is that he doesn't abstain again.

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I reckon he will take the cowardly line and abstain.

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How could you even think that?

Oh, sorry you're obviously looking at his, pathetic past performance.

Yes, life has looked bleak while he's been in power, but wait, come the next general election, he will alter his stance to include the feelings of the electorate, But, lets not be fooled again.

Even if the other choices are worse. If enough of us void our votes we could force them to start again.

I know it was a comedy film that started it, but why can't we put


NONE OF THE ABOVE?

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I have done that in the past, but the last time I was foolish enough to think that this man knew the area, knew the people(many of them personally) and I foolishly thought he cared enough about the town and its constituents to represent us honestly...and that is how he got my vote.

I will not be fooled twice...I would rather eat my own eyeballs with a pickle fork than cast my vote for him again.

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As usual the political pundits on here got it wrong .

Graham Jones voted to trigger Article 50 .

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well blow me he voted for it

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Well, heck...that makes a change.
Thank you for that info JCB...much appreciated.

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He did what his boss wanted and voted to get us out of the EU

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Could you please re-read this thread and tell us where our glorious M.P. has been accused of voting against Article 50?

Now, I have to confess to a prejudice against this figure of Labours finest example, ever since his announcement of wanting to leave the E.U. but claiming he would vote to stay.

That does not allow you to put words into mine or any other right thinking persons mouth.

O.K. he's voted for triggering, that doesn't tell us what a hindrance he may or may not become when it is being negotiated.

IF

He represented his constituents we wouldn't be having this conversation, we would be saying bravo Graham for supporting your locals.

IF

You support Graham thats fine, don't just invent a reason to put everyone else down.

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Nah job preservation if he voted against it he could easily find himself working back with us plebs come election time

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I never said that anyone had accused Graham Jones of voting against Article 50 .

Could you please re-read this thread and tell us what some of the political pundits on here said they thought Graham Jones may do when it came to the vote ?

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I don't think I have ever been called a political pundit before...but I think I could get used to it...and as for being wrong...yes, well that is not something new to me. I was certainly proved wrong when voting for this man - so I guess i had better get used to that as well :)

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I think that perhaps we were swayed by our general disillusionment on how our representative has perfomed for us thus far. You surely cannot blame us for this.

I really did think that he would either vote against the Bill or if not that then abstain...even though all Labour MP's had been directed by their leader.

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I re-read it before I asked you to do so, but you did claim our so called 'political pundits' had got it wrong, to get it wrong surely someone has to make a mistake? Such as claiming Graham Jones voted against Article 50?

No-one has done such a thing, however speculating which way Graham Jones will or won't vote in the future isn't getting it wrong as you claim, it is a guess, will it be a good guess?

Only time will tell,

as for
Is not the same as:-

Which implies someone did accuse him of voting against, which no-one did.

Please, if you wish to put us in our place do it in a correct manner.

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Wow! Talk about a sweeping generalisation...

Care to back the 'as usual' comment up?

Two or three get their predictions wrong and you post this bilge.

There's a guy in my local that always says 'see, told you so', when the underdogs win in a football match....funny thing is nobody can ever remember him EVER saying this before the kick-off.

Ain't much kudos in smugness AFTER the event.

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ill admit i expected the self absorbed EU lover to spite us and vote against article 50

maybe thanks to enough people refusing to shut up and continuously spread the word and remind people of his last betrayal he thought it too risky to his cushy job to do it again

now we just need to get shut of him at the next election and get someone in who dosnt have such a low opinion of his constituents

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Spot on.
Not only has he a low opinion of his constituents, but he has a high opinion of himself.

Somehow going to the metropolis has made him think he is better than those who voted for him, when all he is, is lucky. Lucky that we were blind to his flaws when we voted for him.
Lucky that we failed to spot that he could be manipulated by promises of position and power.
It has gone to his head.

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It is easy to keep tabs on your MP and what and how he votes in the Commons. Go to the website www.theyworkforyou.com and it is all there for all to see. No MP can say they voted one way when they voted the other because it is there in black and white.

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Even more interesting is this page

MP Costs

Just compare our MP with the PM or Corbyn, or David Nuttall from Bury...There is absolutely no impropriety or dishonesty from Jonesy, nor are there any false/nonsensical claims, what I do question is the managerial and budgeting skills of a back bencher who's office and staff has year on year since he became an MP, pretty much cost more than his leader, the current PM and a sitting MP with similar experience representing a constituency less than 20 miles away.

Oh and don't forget this gem....

Da Steeps Speaks: Slave labour required

And he still couldn't undercut the staffing and office costs of the other 3 I've mentioned..

Is this the kind of person you really want voting on the use of vast amounts of public money?

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lol zero hour contracts are awful but come work for me and get paid nothing

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Yes it's funny but it's what students do who want that experience. Ironic people are moaning about his staffing costs and how he didn't pay an intern :D

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Totally missing the point again....let me spell it out for you...

The p-o-i-n-t is....

'And he still couldn't undercut the staffing and office costs of the other 3 I've mentioned'

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Not missing the point at all, are you assuming each MP has a like for like way of doing things? Maybe some MP's are much more active than others and employ more staff so people contacting them are dealt with more professionally.

I don't know because I've never contacted any MP's through their offices so can't compare one to another.

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..ah... tangential argument time..changing from 'irony' to 'assumption'

I’ll bite…are you seriously asking me to even consider that our MP has a bigger workload than either Teresa May or Jeremy Corbyn?? That he gets more letters that need answering or requests for TV and radio interviews that have to be agreed or refused? That is he contacted on a regular basis by major foreign dignitaries or their staff or is required to attend more functions than the aforementioned. (Corbyn often reads out letters he receives in Parliament)....AND they still have constituency issues to deal with

Out of May, Corbyn and Jonesy only one has staff that think their boss lives in ‘xxxx’, and those are the least cost effective....now that is 'ironic' and it ain't an 'assumption' :p

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There is a 95% chance you are right ;)

Are you sure Corbyn can read?

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corbyn can read

thats how he knew he had to sit on the floor on that train because he read that the empty seats were full