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When will he give up? More false promises, anything to get into the paper. And more fool the Observer and LT, for giving the washed up attention seeker column space.

Oswaldtwistle library 'promised £10k a year if Tories win LCC election' - Accrington Observer

I don't think Jones and Moss, will last as long or even bother too. Poor as they are, they ain't going to be waiting for an accolade "freedom of the borough " perhaps.

Go retire Britcliffe, whilst you have the time.

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Mr.Britcliffe still does all the spouting and he is not the opposition leader on Hyndburn council now.

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Never been able to keep his gob shut.:rolleyes:

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Who does he represent, there's about 30+ years ( no offence) between me and cashy. And we both can see him for his worth. Can't live on pensioners votes because they do die, shame his political career can't

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i dislike the man almost as much as that New Labour PM who took us into an illegal conflict.
I get over this by not acknowledging his existence on the planet...except here, in this post I AM acknowledging him.
I suppose I can be allowed an occasional lapse.

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Every donkey likes to hear himself bray!

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His favourite opening quote is "When I was leader of the council"

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Ah yes, the bad old days, who would have thought the other lot would allow them to continue?
:(

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And he is the next Mayor of Hyndburn.

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OMG:eek:

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No...tell me that isn't true...PLEASE!

If he is,that means we will be seeing more of his mush in the local rag, we will be subject to more of his opinionated drivel.

I can't stand it.
I think I will give the local papers the flick.

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Now when I was Mayor of Hyndburn-----------------

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He should have learned by now that you cannot live on past achievements(!)

He made a pretty shoddy job of it anyway.( I think his motto was 'Divide and Rule' ) Every time I look at the resurfaced Broadway and think of the cost of it to the people of the borough, I curse him and those of his ilk, who sanctioned this abysmal disgrace.

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I followed a link this afternoon to watch a Lancashire County Council meeting live. All I could hear was P.B.'s voice interrupting .I turned it off.

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What a very sensible thing to do Frank.
I couldn't watch that at any price. I would lose my dinner.

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Thats all he ever does, he would give himself one if he could.:rolleyes:

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Cashy!!!

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Am i telling lies?:D

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Pleased you enjoyed it so much, I thought a few would have a look. I think it's good to see how our councillors represent us in public meetings.

He only interrupted a couple of times. Did you hear him had a dig at Labour for deselecting Clare?

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Here is a link to Lancashire County Councils webcast library where you can see live meeting when they happen or look at archived ones

https://lancashire.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcasts

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Britcliffe is our Trump, with more experience of being a genuine narcissit

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Not a chance Trump actually is concerned about a country NOT Ossy.:rolleyes:

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I am sorry Neil, I would like to see how the affairs are administered...I really would, but the thought that I might have to both see AND hear PB makes me feel bilious just contemplating it.
Plus, IPads don't do very well after they have been thrown.

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No Cashy. I never said you were lying...I just said Cashy!!! Then left you to draw your own conclusions. You drew the wrong one:)

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Not really Margaret.:D

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Have you ever heard him speak in public meetings? He usually comes across well. Gives facts and real information when asked. All of them sometimes say daft things poking at other parties and politicians which can be both funny and annoying.

From hearing peoples comments about the easy job councillors have I often feel many have no idea what they do.

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Nowhere have I said that councillors have a easy job. I know for a fact that they don't.
That said, they do it because they choose that path...I believe that they are fully aware of what they take on when they put themselves up for election.
No, I have not heard PB speak publicly. nor do I want to...for my own reasons.

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He would love to rule both parties if he could.

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He isn't currently a party leader, apparently ;)

He corrected me some months ago when I said he was the Tory leader while on the phone about an issue.

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He's a wannabe looking for recognition from wherever he can get it. Shallow man.

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Whereas....

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Quoting out of context, maybe you are one of our councillors

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Neil, are you being critical of our councillors? Were you referring to any particular councillor?
You know they have a difficult job and work tirelessly on our behalf(allegedly).

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I criticise them when I feel it's due but many of them work hard for Hyndburn. Many put a lot of hours in and help residents at all times of the day. Their details including home address, phone numbers and many mobile numbers are on HBC's website. If you class their expenses as pay the hourly rate is often under minimum wage for the good busy ones

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Nope..hanging you by your own petard..

Anyhoo..bringing out the old chestnut about people not being aware of what it takes to be a good councillor is disingenuous to the intelligence of posters on this message board.....the problem is that there is currently a surfeit of bad councillors in power in Hyndburn

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Neil, it is what they choose to do. no-one forces them to put themselves up for election.
If you are going to serve your community then you research what the job entails before you seek election and if you don't them more fool you.

If they feel that they are not getting a fair deal in regards to expenses then they have the option of quitting and not seeking re-election.
Some people are just not up the job.

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Hmm....

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...ances_1516.pdf

http://council.lancashire.gov.uk/doc...20payments.pdf

Take, for example, ol' sleepyhead Dawson..he was paid around 20k, which my shaky maths shows that he would need to provide roughly 8 hours a day, 7 days a week for a full 52 weeks at the then minimum wage of £6.95 an hour

Oh and a little further digging... (check out 'item 4 cost comparisons')

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...e_Appendix.pdf

Overpaid or what???

Thing is..expenses and allowances were meant to allow 'ordinary people' to stand for council without having significant hardship by losing money from wages (kinda like when you are called up for jury service)..but it's been totally bastardised (by council vote) and if you can get on enough committees, you can sit at home and comment on daytime TV like this former councillor did...

Labour's Stoke candidate apologises to wife and daughter for describing women as 'polished turds'

So...please stop with the altruism crud!

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I'm trying to remember that cashyism he like using about no sense but can't remember it

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Yup...was thinking the same, especially after reading some of your facebook stuff, btw have you had a few because you are barely comprehensible?

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People like Britcliffe are waiting for some accolade for doing jack, Marg P should get recognition for 30 years of working in the NHS, that's dedication to the community

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I got my recognition Odders. I enjoyed every minute of my career. Many babies were born who would not have been had it not been for the work of my colleagues.
That is all the recognition I need. I still get ladies calling out to me 'Sr. P'....then they show me their grandchildren. A richer reward I cannot ask for(and they paid me to do it).

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Hopefully they are still paying you your pension now

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Of course they are Neil. One which I earned...(I worked damned hard)and which I believe I deserve.
Many times I worked when all my neighbours were partying...I missed family celebrations because the hours had to be covered. Yes, I knew exactly what the job entailed when I took it on.
I do not expect a medal or any public accolades. It was the job.

If I could give a youngster any piece of advice it would be ' find something you enjoy doing and see if you can get someone to pay you for it'.

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I agree, he likes his face in the papers, so does Jones, Moss and and the rest of the Harwood mafia. I also agree that when he was leader of the council he screwed up big time and has an ego and arrogance so massive that he once posted here as 'leader of the council'

But...

I've seen him speak at a couple of county council meetings, and he is quite the orator. He usually talks sense and is very protective of Hyndburn. He spoke against the cuts to the libraries and bus services that the incumbent Labour county council passed despite being offered an alternative from the tories.

Think I prefer an egocentric gobs...e to an ol' sleepyhead who just says 'aye' every now and again to represent me..even if he is a tory

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I don't care for political parties. We should have people representing us who have nothing to gain other than the recognition for doing what they should to help the borough. Not because they think they are a saviour.

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It is all very well being a good talker.

The acid test comes when the words have to be backed up by actions. In this,he was an abject failure.
I always got the impression that it seemed more important to him to score points at the expense of the opposition. This is not what local goverment should be about. Local goverment should be about doing the best for the borough within budgetary constraints. Spending money wisely to benefit the most people. Petty school yard stuff benefits no one and it removes the integrity of those who indulge in such tactics.

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Just in case you thought I was kidding. I was not

The Mayor's Office - The Deputy Mayor

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Never thought fer a min yeh were kidding,;) cos i know yeh.:D

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Oh my great goodnight.
He will be like cock of the walk. That will massage his ego no end.

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He will wish he was Lord Mayor

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NO Frank.....he will believe he is the Lord Mayor
Doesn't make it so though, does it?

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I wonder if he's reading this thread?

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It would not surprise me.

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Do you really think he would settle for Lord?

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Only if it has God after it.

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Former Hyndburn Tory leader 'still pulling party's strings' - Labour chief - Accrington Observer

Good old Mossy...still slagging Britcliffe 4 years later..and according to him 'he was passing bits of paper' *sigh*

Unbelievable..this is what labour councillors are reduced to...'mummy. mummy. he gave him a heads up against my arguments.'

Ken Moss has always been a total disgrace to Hyndburn...

He ran off from here when faced with difficult questions, his own facebook site fell apart when he banned so many people who disagreed with him and they created their own alternative site, which is flourishing...he was pilloried on hyndburn chat and took the hump, and now looking at the facebook comments for this story...he has totally lost the plot and pretty much admitted how much he disregards anyone with access to the internet as trolls...

According to him....labour will always win hyndburn..and this is exactly why traditional labour voters like me are turning away in droves..but as he says himself..he aint standing again!


Back on thread...anyone care to equate Britcliffe with any of the above????

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What a shame, had he not stood in the first place his constituents would maybe have had someone worthy to represent them?


(It wasn't just them he let down).

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Come to think of it... I have never seen Britcliffe or any of his tory minions knocking on doors en masse, wearing tory blue fleeces, bob caps and gloves..

Unlike the local Hyndburn Labour group..who don't seem to mind being pictured on twitter and facebook spending the average joe's party contributions on colour co-ordinated labelled clothing...

The original poster on this thread who attacked Britcliffe for promising to give money to the libraries should take a look at the county council meeting where the ruling Labour councillors voted to slash funding and close libraries despite a tory alternative to keep them open....

The local labour party is irrelevant to the needs of the area...it is a jobs for the friends/relatives/boys party...it ignores the voice of the people...it assumes it is more intelligent than it's voters..it has muppets like Moss ( who thinks he lives in a tower in a village??..go figure?), a councillor who uses a telescope to check up on his area, yet manages to miss a major fly tip and then constantly ignores all complaints...but hey..he has a red fleece.

And we have the elected labour county councillor who couldn't be bothered to attend....nice way to represent all his voters.

I'm a socialist, and i'm probably to the left of Corbyn....but hell will freeze over before I EVER vote for a current local labour councillor....

Better a meglomaniac like Britcliffe than a bunch of sychophantic half witted inbreds

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I have always thought(and said) that political parties, in relation to local area needs are irrelevant.

What is really more important is that the group of people looking after the interests of the town should have ONLY the interests of the town at their heart.
There should be absolutely no room for party political in fighting, or point scoring.
It should ALL be about how heads can be put together and the best deals achieved for the good of the town.
This has, to my knowledge, never happened.
It seems to me that the councillors have seen themselves as a mini parliament and have acted in similar ways. Making snide remarks about the people they see as the 'opposition'...scoring political points, acting in ways that are reminiscent of a group of children in a school yard.
It should all be about the ability of the area councillors to do a good job in getting things done...and the party flags should be burned.

All that having been said, I do not like PB. Would never vote for him if I lived in his ward(thankfully, I don't)...I would not trust him with my bus fare home...never mind the budget for the town(I am not suggesting that he has misappropriated funds - just that he does not appear to have any idea of how to effectively make sure that the money is spent wisely...Broadway for instance)

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It's ok them saying they would have kept the libraries open but did they explain how they would find the money and balance the books?

At Hyndburn level they proposed a late amendment to the budget but didn't give the Councillors time to be able to verify the whole budget again with those changes.

It was nothing more than an electioneering stunt by a very clever politician so the Tories can claim the Tories tried to saved the libraries for a second time but Labour voted against them again.

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Neil, that is exactly what I mean. These are underhand tactics and they do nothing at all to enhance the integrity of those who participated in such practices.

It is all for sound bites and headline grabbing.(and local media are complicit in the deception) Many people will not look much further than the headlines and so they are bamboozled by the councillors.

When you actually look at the logistics it shows how disingenuous these councillors are.
Local politics is a nest of vipers.

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C'mon, Margaret, that's not fair to vipera berus.
I'm not sure what right collective noun is but surely it should be an intestine of tapeworms. They suck the goodness out of anyone they infest.

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Yes I guess it is being unkind to snakes.

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it is, but even tapeworms aren't as bad as that excuse for a human being.

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At least you can get treatment to get rid of tapeworms.

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look's like you got the measure of this lot.

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Nah if they had the measure they would be talking inchworms.