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Another load of toss from unelected remainers, i have long thought this should be abolished, last week i signed a government based petition saying so.most of these people are just owd money grabbers and sooner kicked into touch the better, the fact the petition had oer 100.000 signatures means it must be discussed in the commons, be interesting to see what they come up with. not holding me breath.

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It was remarked on my one of the Lords themselves that the House of Lords was the best 'aged care' in the country...of course it is. they get 300 quid a day for just clocking in...then they can burger off if they want to, but if they wasnt to stay and have a doze on the comfy benches they can do that and when lunchtime comes they can get a very good restaurant quality lunch subsidised by us mug...sorry taxpayers.

They are an expensive unelected load of tosspots. Most of them have been put there by political croneyism as a hedge agains the sitting government.
GET RID of them.
If a second house is felt to be necessary then let them be lected and make them earn their money...if they do not attend they get NOWT...if they attend but not for the whole session, then pay them pro rata.
Lastly make them pay the full cost of their grub( and that should apply to all MP's too).

As for Michael Heseltine....I would shoot that sneaky bar steward.(with pig muck)

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I have just signed this petition.
This subject has come up before and most petitions get rejected.
For anyone else who wishes to add their name to this petition I will add a link.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/170686

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Dont know if correct or not,but i have been told,most petitions of 100,000 that have to be brought before commons are accepted,but like i said,"aint holding me breath"

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I am with you Cashy - Get rid of them.

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If the petition reaches 100,000 the government have to debate it...this doesn't mean that they will act on what the petitioners are asking for.
In this case the government have said that it is not something that can be done during this parliament, but they have said they will look at the possibility of reducing the numbers of the lords. So you are very wise not to be holding your breath Cashy.
I can't see it happening anytime soon.

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The petition i signed reached 100,000 last week Margaret. I had to confirm by e-mail they sent me.

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Yes, it must be the same one Cashy as it appears to be the only one that is currently active.it is currently running at almost a hundred and twenty thousand signatures.
So, we are not the only ones who think that these old duffers are a huge waste of money.

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When yeh see pics of some of em sleeping and also taxis waiting outside while they claim the 3 hundred n odd quid for attending and the public are paying for it, makes my blood boil.:mad:

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I signed the petition about a month back when the "swipes" were bumping their gums about the peasantry not knowing what they're doing. The only good thing about it is that the more they carry on, the more the public will be inclined to demand action about the pratts in the HOL, hence the politicoes will be panicking about their own future so may actually take some decisive action to quell any backlash.

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Thanks for the Margaret. I have added my signature to the petition. I watched a programme last week about the Lords for curiosity and they were debating the housing bill and for the vote it was said there were 500 there so at £300 per member that's £150.000 and that was just one day. Some were said to get there by taxi and have it wait till they ran in and signed in and then left. Talk about daylight robbery. There are far too many of them. An elected upper house would be better and as you said Margaret they should only be paid for a full session or pro rata. £300 per day seems far too much I think considering how many other benefits they get. Getting rid of it altogether is hardly going to happen with a Tory government though. Still we can live in hope if we die in despair.

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Pleasure to be of help Rowlf.
Parties of all persuasions have put forward members to be elevated to the House of Lords...and an outgoing government see it as some kind of 'hedge' against the policies of an incoming goverment(bills have to be put to the Lords before they can be ratified. If the Lords do not agree with something it goes back to the commons...but if MP's then sanction the bill it goes through...I think. If I am wrong I am pretty sure someone will put me right on this)... They are seen to be a kind of brake.

It would make far more sense to have elected representatives...and fewer of them.

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Don't we have a problem, in that what is passed by the Commons goes to the Lords for their approval?

How many of them will vote to remove their perks?

Plus, where will the old M.P..'s go when they are no longer of any use?

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I know where most of em should go now.;) Seems a new member who aint even posted or introduced herself has voted, seems very suspicious that to me.

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The stupidest thing to do would be to abolish the H of L. It's cheap, it works, it's the least likely system to be corrupted, and it's members have the best education money can buy.
What do you imagine would be put in it's place if it was abolished?
An elected membership who are there in their own interests, like the ones in the H of C.
Or 800 people who applied for the job and were hired whether or not they were suitable for the job.
Or make a term in the H of L a periodic compulsory like the jury system.
If you think the House of Lords is expensive now - you ain't seen nothing yet.
Mrs Thatcher abolished MP's pay and made it an expenses only payment system - and the UK taxpayer paid £1645 for a duck house.

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I'll take your advice and not argue with an idiot. :D

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Oh so this unelected lot aint in it for their own interests?Do us a favour.

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I dont blame yeh for not talking to yourself.

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You get the door prize for talking twaddle.
Most of those in the House of Lords were previously politicians(given this honour for past services..that's a laugh, the only service they did was for themselves)...you know that breed of human who is not there to represent their constituents, but to make a nice living from the public purse. To make connections to business so that when they are discarded by the electorate they still have a way of living high on the hog

You reckon that the only good education is one that can be bought.
What makes you consider these parasites are good value for money when they sit on the benches snoozing while they are paid by us...and those are only the ones who want to get warm. The rest of them clock in and leave in a taxi(also,paid for by us)...I would hate to hear what your idea of a real bargain is.
These people in the House of Lords are also there for their own end...not ours.
It was news to me that Margaret Thatcher abolished politicians pay.
That must have slipped by me. As far as I am aware politicians have always been paid and then drawn expenses on top of their wages.
Back in the time of Lloyd George it was an annual allowance of £400(which would equate to something like £159,000 in today's money).
And you think they cannot be corrupted? Don't you think they can be lobbied to support causes which are likely to pass through the upper house?


No, let's get rid of them, they are not value for money.

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I know where I would hope they would go...but we all know they will find some other lucrative gravy train to jump onto.Just so that they can continue to live the fine life they have become accustomed to.

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You have not missed anything Margaret MPs are paid a salary. It is currently £74,962 per annum plus expenses for running an office, employing staff ,having somewhere to live in London and their constituency and travelling between there and Parliament. Ofcourse we all know a lot of them claim for far more than they are entitled to.

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That's what rattled the HoL scroungers into such a rare example of action- they're totally miffed that they and their Oxbridge educated children will be losing their first class tickets on the EU gravy train. And, damn it, it was the stupid, uneducated British public who did it. How dare we have voted against their self-interest.

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There would be some kind of uproar if a Prime Minister abolished salaries and made MPs rely on expenses.
I might be an old bird, but I have a decent memory for such things...and I cannot recall MT doing any such thing....she did lots of things, but I do not believe that that was one of them.

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House of Lords like the Lib Dems is out of touch with reality

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I will not be surprised if TM introduces some measures to gain revenge on the HoL. I do get the impression that she doesn't suffer fools at all. Not necessarily during this parliament but certainly during the next, which Corbyn & Co will help the Tories gain a more substantial majority, and there is always the hope that the SNP will have buggered off back behind Hadrian's Wall.

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I must say i hope she does Barrie, but aint holding me breath.;)

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House of Lords cost the tax payer £100’000000 a year but it’s nice to retirement package for MPs and party fund donators

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Oh but our new member thinks that this is a bargain.
that the system works(Personally I am yet to be convinced of this)...that this means that there is less likely to be corruption.
The system whereby these folks are elevated to the House of Lords is flawed(as is the whole of the honours system) It needs to be got rid of.

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Aye but least she gave her opinion as to why, our long time member who voted similar, never said any reason, just voted and sod all else. still takes all kinds.:D

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Antiquated, irrelevant and nonsensical..like archery practice on sundays, pubs providing hay for horses and video recorders.

But....to demolish it would take a mass of legislation, and...that would need to be passed by judges, and the ensuing appeals would eventually lead to the supreme court, ruled by one or more of the 22 judges currently sitting in the house of lords...hate to belabour a point...but turkeys do not vote for christmas.....and I would not like to guess how much the attempt would cost the average taxpayer.

Only way to change our system is by insurrection, nuclear holocaust or alien invasion...ain't gonna happen unfortunately

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I think we all realise that it isn't going to happen.
As it has been observed, (some)current politicians look at those benches and see their hoped for future...and a very cushy future it is too.

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I reckon out of the three, nuclear holocaust.

1/ Insurrection, Nah, I and the masses of ill educated just can't be bothered, (either to look up the word OR put power behind it).

3/ Alien invasion? Why would anyone intelligent enough to travel light years want the problems we would give them? Even our local M.P. gave up on that one and he thinks 95% of us are thick.

2/ Yeah, lets go for that one, we don't have to move a muscle and we can blame some damned foreigner for the cause of all our woes!

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Allow us to dream...like those who sit on their bum cheeks in the upper house(at our expense).