Is it time to bring back national ID cards?
 

The thread title says it all. We need a way of proving who people are and what entitlements they have in this country. It's over 10 years since the liberal do gooders whinged and moaned about us becoming a police state if we had to have and card ID cards. Look at what has happened in the last 10 years, we need to bring them back.

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I could not agree more Neil. I would be ok I still have mine !!!! I do not see how any right minded folk could oppose bringing them back. Anything that makes us safer certainly has my backing.

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100% sure Neil.

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No, I do not want an ID card...we have had this discussion before in the past.
Nothing has happened that changes my mind.

How will having ID cards change anything?
If I need hospital treatment I have proof of my NI number (and a hospital number too)which proves my entitlement.
What else would I need identification for.
The HMRC know who I am and where to find me...the DWP also have all my details. The DVLA too.

I do not consider myself a hand wringing liberal...in fact I am so far from that I couldn't be any further away if I tried.

Neil what is it that has happened in the last ten years....what precisely is it you are referring to?
Immigration, security?

I do not see how having and ID card would improve things...after all if they can clone bank cards, then an ID card would be small beer....who is going to looking at these ID cards? Who is going to be checking who you are? For what reason?

They are something that is totally unnecessary and I am sure they would come at a cost...would have to be renewed.
There are many ways already in existence which allow you to,prove who you are, you do not need to add another one to the mix.

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You would be OK because you still have yours.
In the time that you have had it, how many times have you been required to present it?
Who was it who wanted to see your ID?
Could you have presented an alternative...say a driving licence, a passport?
I carried ID on a daily basis when I was working. I cannot say that my identity was ever challenged...or that I was ever asked to prove who I was.
So I do not see any point at this stage of my life in being required to carry an ID card...but if you WANT to carry one, if it makes you feel in any way safer, then that is fine...but don't make them compulsory because I won't use one.

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I carried a gas safe card with me when I was working .I only got asked for it once in 30years

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Never had a problem with ID cards - had one for 18 years in the RAF, Company and Saudi ID cards for 17 years whilst in Saudi Arabia, plus my Company ID card when visiting Company plants in Maryland and Puerto Rica. No different than a UK photo Driving Licence really. Anybody with nothing to hide should have no fears whatsoever about carrying one. It will make security a lot more effective.

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There are many ways to ID yourself to different organisations but it makes sense to have one way acceptable to all.

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No Neil, the ways we have now should be acceptable to anyone who needs to know who you are...though the only place I have been asked for ID is in the bank...and that was only because I was acting as agent for my Ma...and they accepted my bank card as ID...oh, I lie...I have been asked for ID at the post office when picking up a parcel...and they also accepted my bank card.

I have not been required to present ID for dental treatment(which I pay for anyway), or for hospital treatment...or for anything else.
As I said previously, if coins and bank cards can be easily faked, then it would present the criminals with opportunities to set up a lucrative market for those who needed one.
I will not carry one.
The authorities can all find me, they know where I am, they know who I am.
I am not the one going about with my face covered.
We do not need another level of bureaucracy.

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Barrie, I have nothing to hide...but see no valid reason for having one.
I also carried ID whilst working for the NHS...it NEVER needed presenting.
I was NEVER asked for it.
How will it make security more effective?
We do not know who is in this country and that is a fact. This is because our border controls are laughable
Not only that, for those who have malicious intent, those who want to do us harm...they would easily get faked documents. So it makes a mockery of the fact that law abiding people carry something which they feel makes them legitimate, and those who are illegals can fake them to thwart the authorities.


If they are voluntary, if you actually want to carry another bit of stuff.If it,makes you think a terrorist bomber won't blow you up in some public place while you are going about your daily doing...then you have one.

I can prove who I am without one...in more than one format...so I will not be having one.
Here endeth my input to this thread. I have said it all before...I'm done.

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I personally do not think that we need an ID card. Agree with nearly all of MP comments.

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great idea

no id card

back down the tunnel you go son

used to be against the idea but we let that many unknowns in to teh country something needs doing

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There is no good reason to not have one. If you ever watch those police stop type TV programs you often see people giving false names and the police spending ages trying to find out who they really are.

I really can't understand why some people think they are a bad idea. I've no problem either with the police having the power to stop people for no reason at all except to check their ID.

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Maybe not down the tunnel but detained until you can produce ID to prove who you are.

We are too soft in this country and need to get tough.

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I don't know the figures of how many additional ones there would be but instead of an ID card, would it be feasible for everyone over a certain age, maybe 16 to be issued with a driving licence?
Even if we are not forced to carry it, the PNC could ID anyone and if there is a problem IDing someone, they could offer an alternative ID to prove their identity.
People who live legally should have no fear of being identified.

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oh goody I could drive again!!! :p after having my driving licence revoked 12 years ago .. banned due to medical conditions .. I could cause havoc on the roads again .... :p:p:p

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what if you don't have a passport or a driving licence? what do you use then for id .. some places say it has to be a photo id ... what do you use?

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Maybe we wouldn't need a separate driving licence if you driving licence was a part of your ID card

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the flaw is that when the police say "papers" you can just say "scissors" and walk away as scissors beats paper ;)

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just stick a photo on the already existing national insurance card that is issued to every UK citizen when they are 16 and update the photo every 5 years free

unlike this farce of a photo driving license part what a con job that is

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Whilst i agree with I.D. Cards, its interesting now their back campaigning,the parties are saying they will get tough on terrorism, utter bullshine as far as i'm concerned This should have been done MANY years ago, also none of em are saying HOW they will get tough, Corbyn says more police security etc, that will do next to nothing to reduce, No party in my mind will REALLY get tough its complete BULL to persuade people to vote fer em.

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A driving licence already states what classes of vehicle the driver is entitled to drive so the classes field would be empty.

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I know I said I was done with this thread....and I posted a link to the last time we had this discussion, just to show that nothing much has changed within the discussion, but I have to have one more shot.

Neil, you may see no valid reason NOT to have one, while I see no valid reason to have one.
Do you really think that those who are stopped by the police would bother to carry ID...and if they were up to no good they might be carrying fake ID.
Other than chipping us all at birth(which might be the next proposal put forward) there is no sure way to identify those who are of criminal intent.

Don't you think it would be a lucrative market for criminals to set up a black market in fake IDs.
These would be easily available and could be used by illegal immigrant criminals, terrorists.
Those who really need to be indentified would not carry them, so the rest of the law abiding population would be carrying something because a percentage of the population are of criminal intent.

I have said in the past that I do not trust any government department to keep any biometric data safe. I am not being fingerprinted unless I am caught robbing a bank.

As for the police stopping people and asking for their ID cards...we would need a lot more police to be taking on that job...after all, they pass a law which says it is illegal to drive whilst using your phone. Every day I see people who are still doing this, despite penalties being increased.
Anyway, would the police be as PC about stopping women in Burkhas as they were about investigating the men in the paedophile ring in Rochdale , Rotherham and other such towns.

There is no point to having laws which are not policed, and for some communities these laws are flouted because they(the community) know the police are too lairy to get involved.

I will not be having one. But, if one of these bits of card makes you feel safer, then you can have one...it will not improve your security one jot and will add another level of control by government.

As I said there are plenty of ways I can prove my identity without one.

Now I am done!

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Like the existing means of identification, they can be faked.
Also obtaining one will be done fraudulently as with other id.

I have 2 forms of photo ID in my driving license and passport so I don't need another card to carry.

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Are you really sure? You said that before :p

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ID card to carry a fingerprint & photo bearing a unique bar code/ID number, issued from one central office to British citizens only. Records only accessible by those requiring legal confirmation police/security/Dhss using either mobile scanners/terminals to confirm from the central register, not on the list, you ain't coming in or getting any treatment, benefits housing et al & if you don't scan detained/deported where applicable!

Forgeries should then theoretically be useless & easily identified for what they are & multiple claims & names should swiftly start to disappear saving us a fortune & removing illegals from the system.

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Ten bob says she comes back!

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I'm not taking that bet!

It would be like saying a woman never speaks without thinking!
:hidewall:

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Just bringing this back out again because it appears our "Illustrious leaders" (Quit your sniggering at the back there! :D), have decided that after the limited trials at the recent local elections they're looking to roll out the ID at voting stations nationally. When isn't exactly clear, but it will be coming.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...inue-elections

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It will be interesting to see what kind of ID will be required. If it's photographic, my mother will struggle. She hasn't a driving licence or passport, and she has recently been refused the renewal of her disabled blue badge for parking by Lancashire County Council.

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During the trials local authorities decided what was classed as ID, but I would assume at national level (whenever that happens) the government of the day will stipulate what is acceptable.

Five areas have been chosen for the trial What's happening?
Up until now, people only had to walk into a polling station and give their name and address to vote.
But from Thursday, some voters will have to bring a form of ID to prove who they are before they can cast a ballot.
This is to tackle personification fraud - where someone votes while pretending to be someone else.
The five areas affected are Bromley, Gosport, Swindon, Watford and Woking.
What ID do I need to vote, where?
:: Swindon - Your poll card, or if it has been mislaid, photo ID such as a driving licence or passport
:: Watford - Your poll card, or if it has been mislaid, photo ID or a valid debit or credit card
:: Woking - Photo ID, such as a driving licence or bus pass
:: Bromley - Photo ID or two forms of ID, including one with your address on
:: Gosport - Photo ID or two forms of ID, including one with your address on
You can also apply through your local authority for an "electoral identity letter".
The "electoral identity letter" costs nothing and just needs to be applied. Contact your local authority for further details.

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What i need to vote is "Convincing there is a Party, worth the effort":rolleyes:

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What I.D. are they going to use to ensure postal votes are filled in honestly?

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And that's the kicker! They've got no controls in place to cover that little niggle. Personally I'd suggest only Forces overseas & their spouses / Embassy personnel & their families get a postal vote. As for those who are likely to be away from their constituency at the time, they should drag their sorry arses down to the Town hall/ Admin buildings, present self with required ID & deposit ballot paper into the sealed con box for locals, as for nationals the relevant ID should suffice to vote in the area you're in as in effect your details will be held centrally, a quick call or mail to confirm elligability & Bingo! Simple in theory, but oh how the squealing will resound from the usual suspects.

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It is postal vote fraud that is most worrying.
You cannot know for sure who has cast that vote.
I am sure there are some areas of the community who rely on postal votes and these cards could be filled in by the man who considers himself the 'head' of the household.

My late mother used a postal vote because she found it very difficult to get to the polling station....and my disabled daughter also uses a postal vote for the same reasons.

When I went to vote on Thursday I took my voting card.
If the identification of a voter is required then I have many ways that I could identify myself.
I have a P60, I have a letter from the NHS which confirms my NHS number. I have a bank statement.
I do not mind providing any of these as my proof of identity.
What I will not subscribe to is a National ID card system because it would prove nothing.

National ID cards would just be another stealth tax....because they would not be free.
I am sure those who were not entitled to be here and could not get one legally would be obliged by the criminal element in this country who would clone them, fake them etc.

And who would police them?
If no one polices a system, then it might just as well not be there.
As for getting medical treatment...a couple of weeks ago I trotted along to a local hospital with my NHS number and received the surgery I needed.
I am known by my GP.
I have lived in this country for seventy years....no one has ever missed collecting my taxes, the local council knows who I am and what local taxes need to be extracted from me.

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And we have chewed this bit of cabbage many times in the past...nothing has changed that makes me change my views.
It won't stop terrorists, it won't stop illegal immigration.
For that you need a border force that count people in, count people out and seek out the overstayers.
Border enforcement here is a very bad joke.

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See post 28. I've just won ten bob!

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not enough to buy a loaf. I do hope you won't let all that money go to your head.
Almost a year has passed which means the glue on the post it note has dried out...and it has fallen down the back of my desk(it has my 'no response' threads on it)
See you in another year if this thread is still rolling....who knows, by then I might have had a change of mind(!)
By the way...who is paying out that large sum?

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It won't have an effect on immigration but if it is an offence not to carry ID, the scrotes moving around in darkness separating us from our belongings could be ID'd much quicker. I don't have an issue with the authorities knowing who or where I am because I have nothing to hide

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But I don't think they will...because there would have to be someone in authority checking the cards....who will this be, the police?
Or will there be some other government agency doing the job that should have been done by the border force.
We are talking about identifying the people who have a right to be here, rather than an ID system to finger criminals.
Those who are illegals will find some criminal to either duplicate/fake/clone cards...and those of us who have nothing to hide will be treated as though we have.
This country has the highest level of surveillance in the world...and this would add another layer to that.

I have nothing to hide, but will not have a designated IDCard.
Now I am done(well, for at least 12 months).

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They'll probably award the contract to Crapita for £x-billions a year from our taxes, rather than invest a similar amount into the appropriate agencies!!

With Crapita's usual success rate!

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must have missed this ID cards first time around. the problem for me would be the cost which we all know would be over the top and would it actually stop crime or illegals entering our country. not a bloody hope in hell.