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just been going through my e mails and saw the pictures and story that is happening in jordan. the muslim leader in that country has declared war on all dogs and has instructed his sheep sorry followers to wipe em all out. people have been going out on the streets gunning down all dogs they see. might be wrong but i have not seen anything on the news about this.

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Yeh wont theres allsorts goes on in them places, but anyone who says owt, is deemed racist.:rolleyes: its like a get of of jail card fer these evil knobs.

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Confirmation (sort of) here, from what I assume is a Jordanian local.

Whats the story behind the killing of Jordan's | Roya News

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for anyone interested the article is on network for animals web site. do not know how to transfer things from one site to another. just got used to owning a car without a starting handle.

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https://networkforanimals.org/petiti...n-the-country/

There you go Monkeyhanger.

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We kill stray dogs in the UK, about 20,000 a year. Thats probably more than Jordan are doing so maybe people need to look closer to home before they start complaining what other countries are doing. Link to newspaper story about it https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/ne...ling-too-much/

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Neil, I think this is a little different.
When I was growing up it was a common sight to see stray dogs out on the streets.
Now it is very uncommon to see dogs out without an owner somewhere close by.
The healthy dogs destroyed by animal charities is a travesty.
There are no bad dogs...only bad (and irresponsible ) owners.
My brother(before he died) was heavily involved with the rescue and rehoming of huskies, sled dogs and akitas. These dogs have very specific needs. They are easily bored and if not exercised more than four times each day, they can become destructive...chewing up furniture, doors, skirting boards.
These dogs are working dogs, not really the pets that some people think they are.

He said that many of the people who had taken on these types of dogs knew absolutely zero about their needs...other than to feed and water them.
He drove many hundreds of miles each week to pick up these unwanted animals...and many more miles seeking out the right kind of homes for them. The homes were very carefully vetted before a dog was rehomed.
He was involved in educating people as to the needs of these animals.

These dogs in Jordan are strays...Street dogs and they are not being killed humanely, they are being shot indiscriminately.
No animal deserves to die in such a manner.

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can see this happening in B/B if people don't pick up after their dogs.

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The reason you don't see strays is because they are picked up and taken away. If they can't be rehomed within 7 days many are put to sleep. 20,000 each year are put to sleep because homes can't be found for them. The only difference would appear to be the way they are killed. Shot or injection it is still killing them.

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Yes, but the bodies aren't left on the street as some of those in Amman are.
And some of those that have been shot are reported to be pets rather than Street dogs.
I know that stray dogs are rounded up, but I just do not see as many dogs running free...and it is not because I am not out and about a lot.
I would imagine that the legal requirement to have all dogs microchipped might alleviate this situation quite a bit.

It is sad because it is not the fault of the animals, it is the fault of irresponsible humans.

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I don't think microchipping will do much. Many of these destroyed dogs are given to dogs home because they are not wanted. 7 days later many of them are dead. We should be sorting our own problems out before we go interfering with other countries businesses telling them they are doing things wrong.

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I think you are right about micro chipping...though it is illegal to have unchipped dogs, there isn't anyone policing the law...so it is very likely to be flouted.
to my mind there is no point in passing legislation which hasn't a hope in hell of being policed.
I guess we are sorting out the stray dog problem in a more humane way...but it still does not get away from the fact that it is NOT the fault of the animal, but the fault of irresponsible humans.
The problem of unwanted animals is always going to be with us...like the poor.

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We can't microchip and put down the poor, not until we get rid of the EU human rights act :rolleyes:

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|I don't think it would be the poor who would be put down...I think it would be those who are of pension age and considered to be adding nothing to the economy...and keeping houses that younger people might want to live in....us old bu88ers are so selfish and inconsiderate!:rolleyes:

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At least the dogs in the UK are given a chance at being rehomed, unlike over yonder where they have none.

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I see groups of people in this country arranging to rehome dogs from other countries here. It's a totally pointless waste of money. The cost of bringing dogs here from other countries would fund saving more dogs already here. When they bring dogs here it only means that dogs already here won't get rehomed and will sadly be put to sleep.

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There will always be those who get dogs who should never have them...they cannot look after themselves yet they get a dog.
There will always be those who feel that the best use of their resources is to bring into this country(at great expense) a dog from abroad....and to some degree I can understand them.
They go on holiday see a cute unloved mutt and want it in their lives.
I can see that in certain circumstances I could do the same.
It is about choice.
Owning an animal is as much like falling in love as....falling in love.
For some people owning an animal is like choosing to have a baby and comes with very similar responsibilities...you take on an animal and you take it on for life.
You take on its every need....some folk get it and do the right thing...others do not.

However much we chew around this situation, it is never going to be solved by talking about it.

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think a lot of what people may class as stray dogs are ones that are escape artists. getting out of gardens you thought were secure, answer the door and fido is off. with microchipping and phone numbers on disks it is much easier to find their qwners which i have done a couple of times in the last 12 months. go through any housing estate now and you don,t see dogs about like a few years ago on their own.

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when I was a kid, late forties early fifties, we lived on a council estate in Manchester, had a 'heinz 57' dog, both parents at work, dog let out in the morning, back in after school.... lord knows what it got up to in the meantime, but, back then, it was normal to see lots of dogs roaming the estate with no sign of owners,

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Yes, that is my experience too.
I doubt that there are many owners do that now.
It certainly is not evident where I live now...and hasn't been like that for many years.

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What a pile of sheeite, why on earth are you all bothering about a few dogs when we all know they would treat whites with even less humanity?
It's time we put some balls together to rid the world of the real pestilence.

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Yes, rid the world of them and leave the dogs alone :)

Another reason why you do not see dogs out alone much these days is due to how much they can be worth. Fido may be +/-£1k, not something you let roam the streets.

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And is monetary value why a dog should live?

I've had mongrels whenever I spent time looking after a hound, the only reason a dog should live is because it's owner (carer?) spends time keeping it secure and safe, not only for itself but for humanity.

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Less, because caring for another sentient being instils compassion and caring into humanity.

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In the Middle East and Far East there are many dogs roaming loose - feral. They carry diseases, most notable of which is rabies, and they breed like rabbits or even faster.

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And the humane way to treat this problem is to shoot them?
I suppose it is indicative of the value they put on any kind of life.

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I think there is a point being missed here. In general dogs are considered unclean animals in many Muslim countries, so that could partially be the basis for killing them. Cats by comparison are considered to be quite clean animals as they groom themselves a lot.

I can understand euthanasia for public safety grounds, but I'd be wary to say it wasn't an excuse to see off the western man's best friend. Take my musings with a pinch of salt though, to date I'm not really versed in Jordanian culture.

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If a dog is a threat to human life then it should be put down, simple as. We all want a perfect world that doesn't involve bloodshed but it isn't this world.

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Who has said that these dogs were a threat to human life.
Some of the dogs which have been exterminated were family pets. No attempts were made to find out if they were strays or pets.
And if a dog is a threat to human life, then yes, it should be put down, but this should be done humanely.
As I said,how we treat animals is indicative of how society and civilisation has fallen.

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Any feral dog, in most countries outside of UK, are likely to carry rabies.

This thread was about dogs in a Middle Eastern country - a completely different type of society to what we have here (still). From what level do you consider that level of society to have fallen? In UK, and some parts of Europe, I would say that the level of care and concern for all animals are second to none.

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Did I say it shouldn't be put down humanely?

Take a look at the title of this hysterical thread, aimed at the heartstrings of people who consider dogs to be equal in the food chain, they are not.

I would never consider putting a useful friendly obedient disease free dog down, however I get ****ed off when someone describes their (the dogs) death as murder, we can kill dogs humanely or otherwise it may be a disgusting act when it isn't needed but it can never be murder, that is the act of one human depriving the life of another human, they are dogs, no need to be over the top with the description.

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From the point that even pet dogs (there was no attempt to determine whether these animals were feral or pets...residents were reporting that their animals had been shot indiscriminately)were exterminated in an inhumane way.
And yes I realise that the Middle East has a different type of society.

If an animal is a danger to humans then of course it has to be dealt with, but surely this can be done humanely.
That this was not done, it is a measure of the society in that country.

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No Less, you did not...can you point me to the post where you think I did?
I know I am getting on in years, but I cannot remember posting that.

I was just making the point that any cull(because that is what it was) should be carried out humanely.
Maybe you disagree with how the cull has been described/worded.
It was just a way of someone bringing to the attention of those who may know nothing of this, to the fore.

You may consider it to be inconsequential, but the forum needs new threads.
It is fast becoming a forum which is mainly about football.
For some that may be acceptable, but for others it holds little or no interest.

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Of course it is, but there are societies that murder people on a far more regular basis and often not as humanely.

Lets get real, we are a **** species.

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Yes, Less...I live in the real world too.
If these societies think nothing of human life, we cannot really expect them to value the lives of animals.
That does not make it right.
(And before you say anything, I am not saying/implying that you think it is)

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Wasn't it Edmund Burke who said ' For evil to triumph, all it takes is a good man to stand by and do nothing'?

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Perhaps it was, but maybe some good man is out there taking up arms against diseased dogs and being criticised for it by people that wear their hearts on their sleeves?

We are lucky our dogs in general don't suffer major infections nor do they usually bite the hand that feeds them, but, we have plenty of folk here that treat them horrifically. Lets sort our own cruelty out?

Wasn't it Christ that said 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'?

we have a bad record ourselves, if we hadn't we wouldn't need the R.S.P.C.A. Battersea dogs home and all the other places neglected animals unfortunately get dumped on.

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Yes, you are right Less, but Barrie thinks that we have an admirable record for taking care of our animals.(and it is not right if that good man is not doing the right thing be dealing with these animals humanely)
And I agree that we need to sort out our own cruelty issues...there was a recent case on Nelson street in Accrington where a man left a cat and a dog to starve to death.
That is not right, but then neither is it right that the plight of animals in other countries can be ignored.
While this story obviously did not pluck at your heart strings(and this is not to say you are heartless), it has proved a topic on which people have posted, so it struck a chord with them.

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I was plucked far more than a harp next to those tranquil gates to enter heaven, however I disagree with going overboard in the way the thread starter did with their title that was over the top and unneeded, we don't need such tripe.

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The thread starter did it in his own way.
It might not have been the way that you would have put it.

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As usual you are right, it isn't how I would have put it I would also have looked for a link that put it in a factual rather than emotive manner.

We all know there is wrong in the world there is also bias, we are just as guilty as any Muslim in the way we treat animals where cruelty and ignorance is allowed to dominate, as can be read in many an email or on twisted web sites.

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how is stating a fact going overboard. is not killing an animal for no good reason unless is forms a danger to you is not murder then i do not know what is. a life of an animal is important to them and to plenty of pet owners throught the world. will not apologise for anything to do with animal cruelty. just do not read it.

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Have to agree 100% wi that.

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Where is the fact? We only have an email to base this thread on it wasn't repeated in the thread so we have no solid basis that makes this a fact.

As usual I have to state that I abhor any unnecessary harm being applied to any animal, however I will not give way to sentiment that isn't backed by facts.

Why shouldn't I read it? How can I avoid misspent sentiment it's posted so I read it, no problem, then I give my opinion, am I not allowed to?


Let me shout it at you.

I DO NOT CONSIDER ANY ANIMAL CRUELTY TO BE A HUMANE THING.

However I do not consider an ill thought out thread with no proof to be worthy of much consideration, post proof not sentiment.

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Less if you want a link to the story here you are.
https://networkforanimals.org/petiti...n-the-country/

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And here is another.
Whats the story behind the killing of Jordan's | Roya News
I read a news report which reported that pet dogs who had owners had also been culled.
I was looking for this to show that it is not just rabid and diseased strays that were being shot, but pets as well...however,I cannot locate that source right now.

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Less, not everyone knows how to post links to stories.

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Perhaps it's time they learnt?

It isn't difficult.

Anyone can post an opinion without facts what use is it?

I am sick and tired of putting forward an opinion that isn't a dig at the person that started a post just a real world point of view pointing out that hysteria is not the way to do it and yet because of my honesty, getting the **** thrown my way.

I like animals, far more than the ball aches that try to put them on a pedestal, but I will always answer a moronic thread with my point of view, if it needs defending by the drivel we have seen then the thread must be weak.

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Can't locate the source? Does that make it hearsay?

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No, to isn't difficult when you know how.
And when you do know how you think that everyone else should be able to do it too.
Yes, it is easy to learn...for some people, but others find it difficult.

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If you wish to call it hearsay, then so be it.
I will continue to look for the article and if I do find it, then of course I will post a link.

I know I read it, but perhaps you think I didn't...even though you haven't said it in so many words.
It is not my practice to make things up Less.

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It isn't difficult.

Anyone can post an opinion without facts what use is it?

obviously i will not be on your christmas card list less but what is easy for you is not for everyone. what is easy for me might be actually difficult for you. agree you are entitled to have an opinion but for some reason my post seems to wind you up for no apparent reason. i do not do facebook, twitter etc. to any information i receive will be via other sources. as for being sentimental, well at least it gave my partner a laugh as its the last thing i could be described as.