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Shafeh Elsheikh and Alexander Kotey, the two guys who were part of the four British Isis terrorists responsible for beheading western hostages, are bleating about having their British citizenship removed.
They feel that this is rather unfair as the removal of their citizenship means that they will not get a 'fair' trial.

What do you feel about these two and their whinging.

My response to these two is....did Alan Hening, the Taxi driver who had gone on a humanitarian mission to help children in a war zone did not get any kind of trial...he got beheaded.
My feelings are that these two should be interrogated until,their ears bleed and when the authorities feel they have not got a scintilla of information left in them, they should be dispatched in the same manner that they dispatched the westerners that they beheaded...compassion?
Why should they get any of that...they do not understand the concept.
Furthermore, they should understand that the removal of their citizenship is something they should have considered before they got into the barbaric practices that come with membership of Isis....they revoked their right to be British citizens when they took up arms against the west.

I am unsure if either of these were born here...But being born here does not make them British....a pig born in a stable can never claim to be a horse.

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One actually said chopping people's heads off was 'regrettable'! Neither shows regret.
Give them to the Americans. It'll save us a lot of money, the Yanks will interrogate them 'till their ears bleed then give them 1000 years each in Guantanamo.
Strangely, the Government hasn't said their citizenship has been cancelled- well, they have their Human Rights, don't they?

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They should have a long and tortured death, and as Gordon say's, hand them over to the American's

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Yes, the Americans would deal with them in a swift and no nonsense way.
And I bet these two are pooping their pants at the thought that this could happen, after all they beheaded Americans too, so there will be no love lost there...and the yanks are not hamstrung by the EUropean human rights.
These men gave no thought of the human rights of the people they beheaded.

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These men were implicated in the beheadings of James Foley, Steven Sotlof...both were journalists.
They also beheaded aid workers David Haines and Alan Henning, both British subjects.
Haruna Yukawa and Kensington Goto, both Japanese were also taken as hostages...when their government refused to pay the ransom, these were beheaded too....there was an American aid worker also dispatched, but I can't bring his name to mind just now.

They claimed that(as Gordon says) these deaths were regrettable....as the requested ransoms were not paid.
These men were also involved in torture using water boarding, tasers, mock crucifixions and beatings.
They are oxygen thieves and deserve not one iota of compassion.

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The slimey gets, what human rights did they give to those they decapitated? Give em to the yanks with any luck they will get the death penalty.

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And so say all right minded people of whatever faith, or as in my case, no faith at all; God botherers have caused more death, suffering and misery in this world than any other cause.

Oh please, don't get me started and before anyone accuses me of not knowing anything about religion, My father was a Church of England minister, my older brother has in own church in Selby in North Yorkshire, my oldest daughter is an interfaith minister and as for (Me),the sooner all God bothering is made a criminal offence the better.

Ok, maybe a little over the top but what the (HELL).

Stay happy, (if you can), your's as ever Taddy.

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Oh Come on Taddy, this is the religion of peace we are talking about here.
The religion that believes whoever slaughters one man kills the whole world...except, these are not religious people....the ones who commit atrocities are NOT religious..they just hide their acts of violence behind the shield of faith.

I have no problem with religion at all...as long as their religion does not impact on my life adversely, they can worship who they want...believe what they want.

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The Yanks will treat them better (or perhaps worse!) than we would..... death penalty too good for them, sentence them to 999 years, & leave them to rot!

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During their incarceration, there should be uncertainty at all times.
they should be awakened, or taken from their cells,,,taken to a place where they can see implements of torture, they should be able to hear the sounds of someone being tortured..someone whose language they identify as their own....then after a period of time, they should be taken back to their cells. it should all be subtly scary, so that they wish their own death would come.

they should be served food that they cannot eat...pork brains, black puddings, food that is mouldy, salty...adulterated in some way.
they should never know a minutes calm or peace, for the whole of the rest of their existence.

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Margaret, I totally agree with you; espescially your last paragaph.
Your's Taddy

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The trouble is, it is not only Isis, as they call themselves, all religions over the years have committed atrocities in their so called Gods name.
Taddy

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Teddy, looking back, we can do nothing about what was done then...and anyway that is not the direction we are going.
Those who fail to learn from their mistakes are fated to repeat them.
Religion is not the issue, it is mans interpretation of religion that is the problem.
Men always want to increase their power over others, and citing a religious belief seems to some, to be a valid justification for this.

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They should hang & the sooner trhe better, end of. As to citizenship, that they willingly gave up of their own free will when they joined Daesh & aligned themselves with its barbaric attitudes.

Furhermore, any & all their relations should be sent to join them & if need be share their fate.

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No Margaret I have something better, put them on crucifixes, and if I coud have old my .44 Renington charcoal burner (I could clover leaf six shots with that .44 Remi at 20 yards) then get to shoot bits off one, as the other watched, first shot 1/2 inch of his dangler, nect two shots shave a bit off his testicles, no 70 virgins for him, then I take aim at his mate, he wil already be screamin his head of as I take aim, and click, oops sorry misfire, then next shot his ear lobes are gone, reload, and take aim again, by this time they will both be really regreting their past as justice is delivered, bang, no virgins for him either, I could make it last all day, rehoning my old shooting skils. Might sound daft to some, but to me it would be a far better punishment than life in prison, they would be suffering far worse and far onger than their victims, and they could still do prison when they were cut down, if the medics could patched them up,

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not bad, but not subtle enough...make them live, but in constant and abject fear.
see how this faith of theirs, the faith that they were prepared to behead innocent for, will sustain them.

I would have them begging to be put out of their misery...and not pay a seconds heed to it.
they do not deserve to be dispatched to a grave...they deserve to be permanently demented....they meted out barbarity and deserve the same barbarity in return.

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Nay Nargaret, I wouldn't have killed them wi my shooting, medics would be able to patch em up, then next week I start all over again, you'vee never seen a .44 Remi charcoal burner, they make a hell of a roar when they go off, and I could pretend to wobble a bit, before I shot another finger tip off, a few weeks of that would be real torture.

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Enough of all this only one way to sort all this MP 4 PM

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Still not subtle enough...the threat you pose is real and you would inflict injuries on them...ok, these would not kill them, but they would create physical pain. That would not be my way....my way the threats are the ones they themselves think I plan to carry out....messing with their heads.
That is how psychological horror works.
I would not lay a finger on them....but they would not know that.
By the time I had finished, they would WANT to die, but they would not be allowed that peace....they would have to live wondering what my next plan would be....they would believe that I meant them harm....they would get no real rest, they would get sick because they would be led to believe their food and drink was contaminated.
That is how I would do it.
A bit like voodoo.

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Remind me to keep on the right side of you.:D

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Margaret! There's you a retired nurse.
Did you learn this technique by practising it on your staff? Or the patients? Or both?
:eek:

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Yes, I know...I can be kind....but I could also be ruthless.

I have read lots of psychological horror stories, and these are a rich seam of nasty....without getting your hands soiled

The monsters we manufacture in our heads are scarier than anything anyone else can come up with.

Yes Cashy, I am a great friend, but an awesome enemy....although, that said...if I am made an enemy of, then my mode of action is to cut the enemy out of my life...not acknowledge their existence.
It is safest. Silence can never be misquoted or used against you.

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Gordon, I never had time to practise on either....was too busy making sure we had beds, keeping consultants happy, running to and fro from theatre, clinics etc....but looking back there were some colleagues I MIGHT have liked to try some of those methods out on.
In truth some of these things have only dawned on me since I retired.

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does Dave sleep with one eye open

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1211214]They should hang & the sooner trhe better, end of. As to citizenship, that they willingly gave up of their own free will when they joined Daesh & aligned themselves with its barbaric attitudes.

at the end of the day they should have been told that if they went out there and committed these crimes and other british citezens too that they would auto matically loose their rights of a british citezen and if caught and found guilty then the death penalty would be introduced for their crimes. might have thought twice about joining up if they knew they could not hide behind the human rights nonesence.

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Do you mean my man ferret man?
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If you do, then no...he sleeps blissfully and like a baby...he knows me and knows I will keep the monsters from his door. :D

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The governments "Terrorism act" was adjusted/updated to cover this sort of situation & act as a deterrent. And surprise, surprise, it ain't working! So far as I'm aware the only folk prosecuted under the act were a couple of blokes who went out to fight against Daesh/ISIS.

As to the scum that went out to fight alongside these creatures they've been welcomed back with open arms by gutless, snivelling, puke inducing politicoes & whining, libtard, leftist wankeratti, as the poor little misguided lammykins didn't understand & just need de-radicalizing & readjusting into our multikulti society!

Absolutely sickening!

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If they set foot on these shores, they will be given a home an income and will probably seek legal aid to sue the pyjamas off the establishment...and win...costing us money.
If they come here and are tried and go to Jail....they still win and we STILL end up paying.

Let them rot.
I do not care if they are stateless.
They knew what they were doing when they left this country.
Let the yanks deal with them...they know exactly how to deal with these two oxygen thieves

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traitors should be tried and if found guilty hanged. worked well in the past.

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Slip of the finger Marge? the moniker is Taddy, is in pole, not Teddy is in Bear and here's me thinking that you never made a mistake in your Engish grammer. (only joshing of course).
Stay happy, Your's (Taddy).:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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No Taddy...Apple and Predictive text...noticed it only after it was too late to change it...and I reckoned that you might be like me...they can call me anything as long as they don't miss calling me for my tea:D

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I don't like the term "Isis Beatles" idiots!!!

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This is not a name that we have given them, it is what the media and the other members of Isis called them.

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Wow so much passion and quite rightly so. To be fair to all faiths most followers of any religion are decent ordinary folk. Sadly any religion has had its zealots who commit all manner of horrendous acts in the name of their faith and in that respect Taddy in my opinion is absolutely correct in that more people have died as a result of religion than through any other cause. In relation to the Beatles as much as we all have our thoughts on what we would like to do the simple fact is we areacivilused society. If they were executed they would become martyrs. It is a fact that when times are hard extremist groups attract the zealots, the disfunctional and the disenfranchised andfor a brief moment they have power and then it’s gone. These two have to stand trial for war crimes in The Hague and spend the rest of their days behind bars. In that we lay we maintain our integrity, justice is served and they don’t become martyrs.

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It is not the fault of religion.
It is mans interpretation of the tenets of religion that cause the problem.
They are used to justify all kinds of atrocities...as a means of men having power over other men(often people who have a different branch of the same faith). It is all about POWER, not about God or a faith. And before anyone accuses me of being a god botherer, I can tell you that I am of no faith.
I do not know of any religion that sanctions killing.
Our own Christian commandments state 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'
The Quran tells Muslims that if they kill,one man it is as if they have killed the whole of humanity.
Religion is the bedrock of society. Without it,there would have been no education system, no legal system and no civilisation.

These reprehensible men can have their day in court, but I hope it is in a court removed from our shores...I hope they get the kind of justice they meted out(as judge and jury to those they allegedly beheaded) to the aid worker, the journalist and the civil engineer.
And to stop them becoming martyrs(if by some chance they are executed...which is as likely as me being made pope) then they should be buried in a grave that is soiled with pig muck.

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Margaret you are absolutely correct, its not the faith its people who corrupt its interpretation.

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And they do this knowing that they corrupt the faith they profess to hold.
It is much like the catholic priests and nuns who abused children...their faith cannot be blamed...it is not the faith that is responsible, but the man/woman who use the faith to perpetrate vile acts.