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I came here after months of absence and it seems the forum is dead! When I had my "legalise cannabis" thread there was a lot of heated debate - in contrast to today!

It's in the paper today about a sick child who's illness is completely helped by medicinal cannabis but this government won't let her have it legally! That's ridiculous

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/charlo...nnabis-oil-fo/

I've been attacked on this site for mentioning cannabis and certain people who know who they are, are censoring this forum, they have harassed me to stop me even mentioning cannabis...

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There is a vast difference between medicinal cannabis and the stuff that people use for recreational purposes...and I am sure that you know this.

The child in this story is a boy called Billy who had a prescription from a GP for the last 19 months....so it has been administered under medical supervision.

The cannabis you are advocating the use of is something entirely different.
I think if you feel you have been harassed then you need to speak to one of the mods...unless you think they are responsible for harassing you.
You can mention what you want (as long as it is within the rules)...but the fact that many people did not agree with your viewpoint is unpalatable to you....and the nature of any forum is that you have to be prepared to accept that others may hold different opinions.

If Accyweb is dead, what are you doing here?

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Yes...Accrington, the town, is very close to death....but so are many northern industrial towns.

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All forums go dead, get busy etc etc, its called life, if i was being harassed or thought i was, then i would probably ask myself why.:rolleyes:

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Cashy, you once taught me a very valuable lesson.
That is...you can't put sense where there is none.
I wonder if that applies in this case.
You would have to NEED sense to promote the recreational use and legalisation of cannabis.

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This topic was flogged to death several years ago. I think Kestrelx wants to keep banging on about it until everyone agrees with him.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ugs-55943.html

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It was Michael and who started back then?:rolleyes:

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The reasons for that are many . The rise of the internet shopping phenomenon being one. I can click on something and have it delivered to my home as quick as the following day. The price and the choice will be better than local shops. Maplins is a recent casualty of this.
There is also the out of town shopping areas, where people can go and park and walk freely around looking at the various stores,, all in one place.
Don't get me wrong it saddens me greatly to see Accrington as it is today, as Margaret said it isn't just our town that is dying.
We will all have our ideas about where things went wrong, where we lost the sense of community that a thriving town brings. For me it was the demolition of the 60's open market which was thriving every Saturday when I used to shop there. Also when Woolworths went. They had so much of my pocket money you wouldn't believe it.

Just my thoughts

Mark

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Yes, Mark...much of what you say is true.
There are some folk in our communities though who cannot access the Internet.
They tend to be older folk who distrust this way of doing business.
The disappearance of branches of banks is also a nail in the coffin of small traders.
There has been much made of trying to get us to go down the route of a cashless society.
This does not sit well with me.
When you can see physical cash in your purse it focuses your mind wonderfully on what you can actually afford.

I really don't think the originator of this thread meant that though.
I think what he was trying to say is ' Accyweb is dead '....and though it isn't dead, it has far fewer participants than it used to have.
A forum only stays vibrant by people coming and exchanging thoughts and ideas.

Many former members, I think may have migrated to Facebook and Hyndburn Chat.
This does not do it for me as the format does not lend itself to a forum type layout....that and the fact that I do not do FB.

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My feelings are that the originator of the post came here with his sneering post to further promote the use of recreational cannabis. He has been a strong supported of recreational use of this stuff in the past.
I really feel he has no interest in the use of the oil for medical purposes.
Just because something has a medicinal use does not mean that the rules regarding the illegal use of the substance should be relaxed.

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All that needs relaxing is the stuff that medical people deem useful in treatment, certainly not the crap they sell on the streets.:rolleyes:

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The whole drug thing will always be a heated subject but fir what its worth this is my take.

I have a friend who suffers badly with MS. She doesn't take it although there is evidence to suggest it would help with her pain. I do think that in the case where it is proven to relieve pain it could be prescribed to those that need it as long as any side effects or dependency issues are in line with those of other medications. However those who use it for recreational purposes now bang on about its medicinal properties as a way of trying to get everybody to see that if its medicinal it cant do you any harm. (Not time for that old roast chestnut surely and wait theres more). I am sure kestrel like a lot of other users of drugs and I include alcohol and tobacco in this will give the line " I can give it up anytime I want" Yeah right so speaketh the addict. Debate that one.

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It seems kestrelx is rehashing (or maybe I should say re-hashish-ing, sorry couldn’t help myself) a subject of which he freely admits he has first-hand knowledge apparently through force of habit.

I agree that the use of medicinal cannabis for someone who really does need it to ease their suffering should be allowed and if that person is suffering a terminal illness then the worry of possibly becoming addicted is of little or no consequence. As kestrelx undoubtedly knows, and as it has already been pointed out, medicinal cannabis and t’other stuff are not the same thing. It’s that other stuff that should not be legalised as there’s enough addled brains out there without encouraging more.

However kestrelx instead of criticising (and insulting) this forum and those who read it and/or subscribe to it why not bring some interesting discussions to it like other members do. After looking back at some of the other threads you have contributed to in the past I’m sure you have much more to offer other than a dopey topic.

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I see Dotti has been "pun"ishing in her assesment, way to go lass, way to go! :)

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The reason that this young boy has not been allowed to have the cannabis oil is because unlike other medicinal compounds, this oil contains THC(tetrahydrocannabinol) this is the component in marijuana that has psychoactive properties.(and make it illegal)
Other medicinal compounds that are prescribed do not have this component.

Anyway, I am sure that today I heard on the news that he is going to be given the oil that limits his seizures...and that currently he is in hospital and under medical supervision.

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As usual Kestrel isn't very original, we've had several mealy mouthed, bitter members over the years trying to say the site is dead, a couple that come to mind are a mediocre M.P. and an ex local Councillor, both of whom used the site to gain votes when they needed to but drew in their necks after being voted in then found the questions from our members couldn't be answered by the usual political bull****, so their parting gifts were throw out the dummy and claim the site was rubbish.

Of course the site isn't as busy as it used to be, times change and so do people, far better to be a member of faceblight or twitcher than have to answer the honest questions that many of our members are capable of putting forward.

Hey, but what do I know?

I get up everyone's nose.

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You heard right Ma, it was also in the papers so surely Kes-X can now be happy that justice has been done. :)


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...n-cannabis-oil

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Of course he should be, but I can tell you that it is unlikely that this will satisfy him.
He was just using the story as a vehicle to promote recreational use of the stuff....insinuating that if it was used for medicinal purposes, well then, where's the harm.
Diamorphine is used for pain under medical supervision(a controlled drug) heroin is its Street counterpart...class A and illegal.
Just because something is used in medical practice does not mean it is safe for recreational purposes.

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Thanks, Dave, I do try.

As for you, Less, I must tell you I am so pleased to read your postings again as whether they are controversial or not I enjoy them very much. Your absence for a while there had me worried, I even asked Margaret P if she knew why you weren’t posting. I hoped you were okay.

Here's cheers to the regular contributors that keep this forum so worthwhile and interesting.

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Just getting on with real life was all.

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Yes Less, life has to be lived in the real world, but it is great to know that you have been missed from the forum.
(we always get worried if someone disappears from the horizon...thinking that there may be health issues....that is always the first thing that springs to mind....never that their internet has been on the fritz, or their computer has blown its brains out)
I miss your witty, honest and sometimes irascible posts when you do not post...but it makes them much more valued when you come back.
(note to self...maybe I should stop posting for a bit)

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People would start to worry if you stopped posting after 5 minutes.

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So Less, you were just getting on with real life. Hmm! sounds interesting. Is it worth a blog?

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They might, but then again...they might know that like you...real life with all its lumps has got in the way.

My posts have been fewer over the last months because of that very fact.

But then I see comments that imply Accyweb is dead and try to find threads I can post to.
No one wants Accyweb dead....do they ?

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It may be that the age of the 'chat forum' are drawing to a close, but Roy will keep Accyweb going while there are members still out there.

As for people wanting it dead, I suspect the thread starter for one would like to gloat about it's demise, but where would he go to crow about it?
:confused::p:enough:

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I wouldn't mind betting the person who started this repetitive thread may well do.:rolleyes:

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Not even worth a small ad in the news of the world.
I'm not a vicar or a tart so no-one would care if I was de-frocked!
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No, no, no....Less. You make out that your life is not interesting.
I cannot for the life of me believe that.
We know from the posts you make....for instance when you have 'interesting' interactions in the town....that your life is colourful and varied.

There is always room for another blogger.
I would read it...and I know Dotti would. Everyone has a story to tell.
Now, if you do not wish to share those experiences that is a different matter

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There you go you see, here I am padding out yet another day of nothing much happens, by introducing imaginary enemies, (too sad to have imaginary friends, (they start off as imaginary friends (doesn't last long)) (somethings always wrong with them) then you get in touch with your 'aah what a shame' side and I've got you hooked.
:D

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Yes, it doesn't take much.
Blogs can be about anything you want...truth, faction...or out and out fiction.

So your imaginary friends...or for that matter, imaginary enemies would be welcome...and we would happily read about.

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So now Lord Hague has thrown his hat into the ring and made the suggestion that cannabis should be legalised....that the drug war is lost.

The drug war is not lost, it has been surrendered by an unwilling police force.
A law is only as good as the policing of it. A toothless law is a useless law.
If it is not actively and vigorously policed then it just might as well not be there at all.

What other illegal practices are going to be ditched because the police have neither the time nor the inclination to pursue those who are breaking the law?
Is the legalisation of a psychoactive drug just a way for governments to extract another level of tax from users?
Will this pay for enough care needs to deal with the mental health issues (well recognised and documented) that users may suffer from?

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Hague has demonstrated what has always been my opinion of the man, A Complete Pillock. In fact he could well be related to one of our members imho.

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It seems that what he is advocating is taking the line of least resistance....doing nothing.

The Police are too busy....doing what? Wearing politically correct rainbow epaulettes, doing a Ramadan fast, all these antics devalue our opinions of the police and the work they do.

Not pursuing drug dealers is a crazy move.

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did somone poke kx with a stick recently?

Its all be said and done. Whos, Whats and the Whys. Its been flogged to death like a rabid dog....

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Yes, it has but Kx is ever the opportunist.
Ready to take the cause he shouts for and tag it onto a valid case for the MEDICAL use of what is a mind altering drug.
It is useful for this type of epilepsy purely because it IS a mind altering drug....except in this instance it repairs a damaged mind(albeit temporarily) rather than damaging a normal mind when used by a healthy (brainwise) individual.
He will never subscribe to these facts though....so expect it to come up again and again....like a dandelion, except less pretty.

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make allowances probably just come out of his latest stupor.:rolleyes:

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No I don't have rabies! It's just that it's been in the news a lot of late.:hehetable

I'm not sure it should be legalized recreationally, but there is lot of people taking these other drugs like spice - former so called "legal highs" - that are much more dangerous and turn people into like zombies - but nothing is legal now they are illegal because they changed the law in 2016 - but it's a hard situation really - better the devil you know than the one you don't?

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You could try putting the devil behind you...

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Little chance Dot, thats common sense.;)

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This latest post from Kestrelx has some valid points in it....so why do I feel he is being disingenuous.....or no, let us call it what it is....lying.
The true bits are about the use of the so called 'legal' highs.
It is so sad to see young people in the grip of this powerful chemical.
However, it begs the question as to how they got there....and I would bet a pound to a penny that ALL of them started out smoking cannabis.

The other reason why I think Kestrelx is telling porkies is....for so long he banged on about the recreational use of cannabis....how it should be legalised, how it was acceptable, how it was no more harmful than alcohol....in fact if my memory serves me rightly....he tried to tell us it was far less harmful than alcohol.

Now, I am not saying that alcohol, tobacco, caffeine or any other chemical habit is blameless....but what I am saying is that the use of these recreational activities does lead down the path to the use of dangerous drugs.

So this about turn from the poster is to be treated with some scepticism.

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The last sentence in my post should read ' dies NOT lead down the path to the use of dangerous drugs'.

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Is that what you say when you spill the salt?

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I don't smoke tobacco, or cannabis. Alcohol is also very bad drug - you can buy liter whiskey or vodka, drink a lot of it and get in the same state as heavy drugs, but legally. I gave up on alcohol as well.

There was a program last year called "Gone to Pot" with various celebs travelling round USA looking into Cannabis.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/...tcher-11516602

Two who you wouldn't have thought, said that perhaps it should be made legal - but the one thing they all said that was bad about it is that it's hard to gauge how strong it is and one person may react differently to another from the same dose.

I don't know if we should legalise it anymore - there are lot of questions.

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I did see that program....it did not impress me....or change my thoughts on the use of this substance.

Yes, you can buy alcohol and get off your face on it.....and some people do it.
It has a lot to answer for...but it has been available since the dawn of time.
It has been used and misused during that time.
In the US it was made illegal for a period of time.
It did not stop its' use.
Tobacco and alcohol are very large revenue generators for government coffers....so they will not bring in measures to curb the use.

Drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco does not(in the main) lead to the use of hard drugs.

Legalising these substances will not limit their use....the government would very likely tax it and this would still leave a market for illegal stuff.

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Cannabis has been around since the dawn of time. Yes alcohol was made illegal in the USA but people then started drinking bootlegged drink and the same thing happened - that a lot of people died.

I would argue that smoking does lead for some to smoke other drugs and get onto harder drugs as does alcohol. But it's the addictive personality that gets into other drugs.

There is still illegal market for alcohol and tobacco.

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Yes an addictive personality is the thing.

Well, I grew up in an age where almost everyone smoked tobacco....I never knew anyone who turned from tobacco to cannabis.

Maybe I am of the wrong generation.
I was never exposed to drugs.....and I was well into my twenties before I even tasted alcohol.

It seems that these days drug dealers get their clients at the school gates. That is a worry.
None of the habits(smoking....the use of alcohol) are without health risks, but in my opinion the mental health issues linked to cannabis are something that has been downplayed.

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For my money the stuff downplayed these days, is the crap its mixed wi, its nothing like the cannabis yeh got in 60s thats a cert. To me the issues these days are in the main caused by this,

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I am sure that has a lot to do with it too....but I do not know anyone who ever used cannabis in the sixties....no one in my circle anyway.

Liberal attitudes to drug taking are also implicated....the fact that the establishment wants to decriminalise the use of this substance.....because in the short term that makes life easier for the police....but in the long term there are sure to be mental health issues.
But of course these will not need to be dealt with by the police....or will they?

I think it will have a huge impact on all aspects of life....it already is impacting on life in the cities....gang wars are mainly to do with drugs.

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Drugs has gone completely outa control these days, Scumbags know they can make good money outa them, so will sell to anyone and its much easier to target kids in my view,

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Well kids are now being used by drug dealers to distribute drugs round the country and linked to all the stabbings been happening this year - over 50 murders so far. Kids are lured in by easy money to buy expensive shoes and clothing etc. Theresa May cutting Police and closing down all the Police Stations hasn't helped, they've had to sell off Police stations to make money to replace cuts!

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All this began before the current government came in.
The cuts you cite as being responsible were as a result of Labour governments poor budgetary controls.
The cuts were required because labour governments had spent up.
You can only have what you are prepared to pay for...So it was a choice of push up the taxes or spend less.

Now if large multinationals were brought into line regarding their taxes(all legal you understand) then there would be plenty of money to fund the services that we would all like to see.

Successive governments have known about the taxation inequalities....the loopholes.
All of them had the chance to do something about the big businesses being given leeway by HMRC....but none have acted to deal with this issue.

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The difference between your (and my) taxation is that HMRC get their hands on their cut before we even get a sniff of our money....with big business the shyster accountants and lawyers get to dabble in the affairs before any business coughs up any dosh.
They get the chance to manipulate and massage the figures to reduce their tax responsibility.
So little flies get caught while the big boys break through.
HMRC admitted as much very recently.

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[QUOTE=kestrelx;1217576]Well kids are now being used by drug dealers to distribute drugs round the country and linked to all the stabbings been happening this year - over 50 murders so far.

the police have never really got on top of the drugs problem from the start. would actually legalising drugs clear the streets of these people as their profit has gone. may sound a little of a softly softly approach but young people and i was no different found if something was legal it wasn,t as exciting as when it wasn,t. pub visits at 16 and 17 were better than after that age.

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Yes, young folk are always going to want to be seen as 'grown up'.
Legalising drugs would not(in my opinion) sort out the current situation.
Yes, those running the drug gangs might be deprived of an income....except they would not.
I think the government would apply a tax to any legalised drugs.
Drug gangs would ply their trade minus the tax....so would still be ahead of the game.
Every week you can see people who have been prosecuted for the sale of untaxed fags, baccy and booze.
Drugs would be no different...except perhaps there is little motivation by the police to chase drug dealers now, so I don't reckon it would be much different if they were legal and taxed.

I know, I know...I am a bloody old cynic.

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need to stop all these murders that have reached three figures now in london. carry on like we are doing is not the answer and a real hard approach is needed. if this cannot be done for whatever reason then legalisation of drugs is the only answer. the ones that get through illegally avoiding any tax will be fairly small and like fags they have almost dried up . funny though when tax is being lost something gets done. yes another old cynic.

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I am truly against legalising something which is so damaging to developing brains.
Yes, like cigarettes an age limit could be set so that young people cannot buy it...but you and I both know that there are ways around the age limit thing.
The other thing about legalising drugs is...it sends out the message that the use is ok....safe even.
It is never safe to take drugs.
Heck, there is always a risk with drugs that are PRESCRIBED for you.

Legalising drugs would be the lazy, sloppy, line of least resistance option.

Laws are there to deal with the use, the sale and distribution of illegal drugs, but laws on their own are useless, it needs the motivation to catch the criminals.
Make no mistake about it, drug dealers are criminals because they steal the lives and the potential of our youngsters. They get these youngsters hooked at an early age....then when there is no money to buy the stuff they are addicted to....they rob, Mug and sometimes even murder to get their fix.
Not a good picture.
That can never be acceptable.

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could not agree more with your statement margaret but what has really been done to stop the drugs and their criminals who deal with them. i think the problem is actually bigger than you and i realise and for one i cannot see them being stopped. if a miners strike approach to police the thing came about then we might see real results.

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Yes, I think you are right.
But the problem has got to be owned.
From where I am sitting it is NOT owned.
Maybe the answer would be a dedicated force separate from the main body of the police....a force who are only concerned with tackling the problem of drugs and supply of drugs. Maybe some of the customs officers dealing with searching out drugs coming into the country could be mustered....and if it means training and employing more of them....then it has to be done.
(In the not too distant future there may be 39billion quid going spare to deal with such issues)

What is clear to me is that many crimes have their roots in drugs and drug dealing.
Not addressing these issues means that there are more crimes for the police to deal with from domestic burglary to gangs and the murders they commit related to turf wars.

Drugs and the proceeds of drugs funds other crimes too.
So not tackling the cause of these crimes....namely drugs and drug dealing means that the perpetuation of other offences continues unrestricted.

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Haven't we already had a thread about drugs that was oversubscribed to?
Yes, accrington is dead, but come on, blaming it on drugs as a sole cause and repeating what has already been said will not remove the problems, we see around us.
Let's turn this thread a little more positive, yes, thanks to neglect from the powers that be we are turning from a dump to a midden and I shouldn't need to emphasise it's WE the people of this fair town that are the problem whether we use drugs or not our lack of contribution, our, 'I just don't really care attitude' has brought all of us to this.

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Less, the general rot in the fabric of society is not all down to drugs...it is down to the dismantling of family values, the slide in the morals and ethics of society....the lack of people taking responsibility for their actions...always wanting to blame their situation on someone else's actions....blaming governments for everything...expecting government to do the things that many of us are quite capable of doing for ourselves.

The other aspects of local degradation are the inept use of public money for useless projects, the inability of local government to address the important issues.....not making enough (or perhaps) appropriate measures to regenerate the town.

As for contributing....there needs to be some kind of leadership.....some way to encourage and motivate people to join in.
Possibilities for public interaction need to be well publicised and aggressively marketed at the targets the activity wants to attract.

Much was made of the development of a town square.
It was supposed to bring people into town.....but it has no character and is as attractive as a paved wilderness.

I am sorry if this is perceived as negative....it IS negative.
Maybe if those who hold the money,listened to those whose money it is they are spending.
Then maybe...just maybe it could get better.
I think the town has slipped too far down the drain to be rescued.
Make it somewhere to be proud to belong to....invest in infrastructure.

Accrington used to be a proud Lancashire town.
It had people coming in from neighbouring towns to visit what was a vibrant market and town centre.

Yes, yes....I know shopping habits have changed...So the approach to marketing the place needs to change too.

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you can say the same for all smaller northern towns for some reason. money and the will to use it seems better in cities and larger villiages that have become for one reason or another tourist destinations. accrington reminds me of where i live keighley. somewhere you would not visit if you didn,t have too.

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It could be so very different.
Ramsbottom is a small place...on the fringes of Bury and Manchester....it is a joy to visit.
The Railway is a huge draw, but then the town has a range of independent shops full of interesting things.

Accrington has had money spent foolishly.
Broadway was resurfaced a few years ago at the cost of something like £250,000.
It did not look great when it was finished and it looks even worse now....with the few millimetres thick resin surface coming off in great chunks.

That money could have been better used.
We are supposed to be a Floral Market Town.....there were planters all over the place advertising this fact....yet the market has been allowed to become a ghost of a market....with few stall occupied and a general down at heel look.

They built a new bus station well away from the market, so now people no longer get off the buses where the market is....this footfall has been lost, customers/potential customers lost.

The Market hall used to be a bustling place, full of diverse stalls....stalls that sold local produce....crumpets, cheeses, locally made jams and preserves.....gone!

There is absolutely nothing to come to Accrington for, so the new bust station ferries people away to places that have invested wisely in their town centres.

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The only reasons we have for visiting Accrington are to see family and visit the Library and their extensive social history section. The once threatened resource is a godsend for those of us researching family history, in the area.

As for the town itself, well what can we say, the new all singing, all dancing plaza in front of the Market Hall looks like it was laid by 'Squinting Ronnie and his one eyed brother. Was it aligned using lazers or lengths of bent string?

Most of the Northern market towns are shadows of their former selves but there are a few whose leaders have had the forethought to promote their uniqueness - unfortunately, not so Accrington.

The path over the Coppice to the bypass is very nice.

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The plaza is an embarrassment.
And to think it cost all that money...half of it ours.
I suppose it could have been worse....we could have been expected to stump up the whole amount.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1217711]


The Market hall used to be a bustling place, full of diverse stalls....stalls that sold local produce....crumpets, cheeses, locally made jams and preserves.....gone!

if you get a chance pop over to halifax and compare their market hall. similar looking but bigger than the one in accrington but still very busy like it was years ago.

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On your way to Halifax pop into Todmorden indoor market.
Very busy with a good variety of stalls and a waiting list for traders wanting a stall.
Lots of local produce on sale from local traders.

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Been to both places and yes...they are exactly what a market hall should be...busy and bustling with a good range of stalls.
It CAN be done, but it need the right approach and attitudes.

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We were pleased to see that the viaduct end of Hyndburn Road now resembles a proper road rather than a ploughed field.

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Lord Falconer apologises for "war on drugs" and calls for legalization.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...s-war-on-drugs

As I've said recently I'm not sure about legalization anymore - but surely it's the lesser of 2 evils? People are always going to take drugs - if the stuff is "illegal" and mixed with poisons that kill then surely it's better if it's more legal and at least lives will be saved because hospitals will know what's in it. Trying to stamp it out doesn't seem to be working does it and now people are taking these new substances and dying in larger numbers, because hospitals don't know what they are taking and don't know the antidote. But I'm not 100% sure either way.

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Legalising drugs will not make a difference.
The message that legalising drugs sends out is that taking drugs is safe.
Taking drugs is NEVER safe....even therapeutic drugs have side effects.

It is highly likely that if drugs were legalised then they would be taxed.....and there would always be those who would want to avoid taxes..They would get their supply from dealers in a similar way to how they do now.

If drugs were prescribed, you would get those who would sell their supply, but cut it first with Ajax or some other noxious substance.

The drug problem is because police forces have been lax in dealing with those who deal drugs and those who use drugs.

They say that they have not time to devote their resources to catching these criminals.
What they fail to recognise is that many crimes have drug use at their roots.

Addicts need their fix, they have no money, so they burglarise, rob and mug.
A whole industry gets set up to deal with stolen goods.

So Lord Falconer is wrong. Taking the line of least resistance is never the way to tackle wrong doing.

If drugs are legalised then we sell our young people short and damn them to a life where their potential is never realised.

As for your assertion that you are not in favour of legalisation....I think you are being disingenuous.
A leopard only changes its spots if you skin it.

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My last post is a paraphrase of post 56.
I will never change my mind on this subject.
I do not care what 'experts' research suggests....it is all down to the fact that the police and the judiciary just cannot be bothered to take a firm stance.
Maybe they will be legalising other crimes that they cannot get under control.....decriminalise it and it ceases to be a problem....except it doesn't.

What happened to the TB mantra....'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'.....that was a joke?

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1217850]...it is all down to the fact that the police and the judiciary just cannot be bothered to take a firm stance.
Maybe they will be legalising other crimes that they cannot get under control.....decriminalise it and it ceases to be a problem....except it doesn't.

a few weeks ago they were saying that crimes in the school holidays have fallen this year and then they came out with the statement that they do not want to crimanalise young people as it could affect them in later life. what a situation we have got ourselves into.

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I don't think there are as many people posting here as there was about 5 years ago!? That's what I meant by the title! But then probably many are posting in the private members area, is it the over 18's? that only allows people to post who have been met in person!

As fir legalizing drugs - I'm not bothered, if they remain illegal.

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I agree with you kestrelx! I suffer from diabetes and I can safely confirm. that cbd oil helps me! H I see nothing wrong with that. that you mention cannabis. However, it produces CBD oil.