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Community website ILiveHere asked the public for its votes in a tongue-in-cheek poll about the 'chavviest, most violent and unclean' places to live..
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-live-13695834

Just over 36,000 residents and we made the top ten..

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Thought we would have won it.:D

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Blackburn was 9th.....

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Surely It's not that bad?

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It's not quite the bumhole of the world.....but you can smell it from here.

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everyone likes to knock the place where they live. try a day out in castleford, bradford or oldham but do not put more than 1 hour on your car for parking.

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All of those northern industrial towns have suffered over many years due to lacklustre councils and poor investment....the influx of migrants must also have a part to play.
Not all incomers enrich the area.

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Given the planned cuts in the numbers of Police our wonderful CC is making, there's time yet Cashman. :D

The most upbeat people in Accrington are retailers selling caps, scarves, hoodies, hardware, and wool gloves. Oh, and lawyers of course. :D

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hasn,t your life been enriched by all the immegrants over the years. they keep telling us that but yet to meet that person who it had happened too.

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Now, now. Just because you don’t live in London, don’t work for the BBC, and can’t afford to employ them on zero hours contracts as cleaners, nannies...��

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No, my life has not been enriched in anyway.
The area where my mum used to live was taken over by incomers and it has become a place to avoid.
There is blatant drug dealing in broad daylight and the young men from this community intimidated my mum for the last three years of her life....using the back of her garage to deal and take drugs, climbing over her backyard wall and using her toilet....festooning her yard with spare toilet rolls.
I would have involved the police, but my Mum was scared they would put a brick through her window....this was a direct threat made to her when she politely asked them to move away from her back gate.
So No....they have created problems rather than enrichment.

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Might be an idea to notify the police now about this scum? i certainly would and regard it as getting em back fer me mam.;)

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Cashy, I went in the community Beat office without letting Ma know.
They were not interested.
Firstly, they would not act because Ma would not make a complaint....and secondly they wanted notifying when the trespassing was happening.
The incidents always happened after the beat office was closed....and you know how the situation with the police is(especially as these are ethnic minority youths)
Over the last ten months I have visited on alternate days.
There have been three incidents of trespass(captured on CCTV....although the images are such that it is unlikely that they would be identified....hoodies, scarves across the faces).
Anyway, from Monday, the place will no longer be my responsibilty...the house sold today.
Halle-blooming-lujah.

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Accrington was more of a dump back in the 70's (for example the smell of the river in the town center) - last time I was there I thought they'd made progress in improving it to what it was - but perhaps that isn't enough? Or it's worse if you live there. I wouldn't have liked to have lived around the Fern Gore area or in the lower regions around Platts back in the day or around Blackburn Road.

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you must be having a laugh cashy. just a waste of time and increased blood pressure when they give all the excuses for not attending. its not an accrington problem but a nationwide problem unless you live in a million pound plus mansion.

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Problem is the issue of "hate crime" this can mean if someone is merely offended, they can call the police and police today will investigate someone who is merely offended, this takes time up that they should be spending tacking real crime. Which today is often ignored: there is much evidence that if someone reports a car theft or burglary they do not receive a visit from the police, which was guaranteed back in the 70's 80's and 90's. Because many police are on the internet investigating "hate crime!"

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no mate i did that a few months ago and suprisingly they acted on it.

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Police numbers are now lower than when records first started 22 years ago. Prisons are over capacity. Courts are handing out fines and community orders for crimes that warrant imprisonment to safeguard the community. Scumbags know this, the police have to deal with it as well as us and more cuts are in the pipeline.

You can argue about how resources area allocated but it won't solve anything without a change in the priorities of Government. Kn0bheads who want to impose their vision of a powerhouse 'Great Britain' regardless of consequences, escalating poverty and disorder. Us sick to the stomach of every stabbing or violent robbery being an 'isolated incident'.

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I think there is a bit of conflation going on there.
The stabbings are down to gang culture and drill music....and I do not think extra police would necessarily affect the statistics relating to such crimes.
There needs to be a change in the culture of these youths...and that is a very difficult change to effect.
Gangs are almost a tribal entity, with territories and there is kudos to be earned by stabbing, maiming or injuring members from other gangs/areas.

Yes, police numbers have fallen, but it needs to be acknowledged that services need to be paid for....and if you are unwilling to foot the bill then you cannot have the service.

We had a labour government for 13 years that used the sound bite 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'
Clearly they were not tough on crime or indeed the causes of crime.
The Labour government of the time fostered a reliance on benefits, reducing aspiration to work or improve personal circumstances.
They spent money like it was going out of fashion...so it was no surprise when they were ousted, to find that there was no money left to spend....many services were curtailed because of this poor economic management.
There were howls of complaint from those who were affected....but the economic facts are....you can only have what you can pay for.

If those who use legal tax avoidance measures(not reined in by ANY government past or present) were prevented from doing so, loopholes (that all governments have known about)were closed and multinational like Google, Amazon, Paid what they should pay, then we could have all the services we need.
But it won't happen as politicians care little about the little man...they only care about how they can make their own lives better.

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Yes, Police numbers are down and yet you state prisons are overflowing. Is this because.
a) The fewer Police are more efficient?
b) Judges are issuing harsher sentences on the few that are caught by a minimal Police force? (Ignore b) we all know justice no longer fits the crime).
c) The prisons aren't as big as they used to be? (Perhaps from under funding?)
d) All of the above.
5) None of the above.

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Less... I will await with interest the answer to those questions.

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How many prisons were there when records started? How many are there now?

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1220459]

If those who use legal tax avoidance measures(not reined in by ANY government past or present) were prevented from doing so, loopholes (that all governments have known about)were closed and multinational like Google, Amazon, Paid what they should pay, then we could have all the services we need.

if either of the two main parties put the above up as their main priority at a general election they would get thousands of extra votes but they will not as tax loopholes being abolished might hurt some of their friends.

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Yes....that is why no government has bothered to close the loopholes, preferring to take money off those who HAVE to PAYE.
HMRC have first grab of your money....so not able to avoid paying their share.

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Back in 70's you could get done for telling lies to the Police or wasting their time with minor issues. Today they encourage people to lie to them about so called "Hate crimes!" Anyone hear about the woman who was pillar of community: given Police warning for pressing her car horn at a black woman at a petrol station. The black woman complained to Police and claimed it was a "racial hate crime!" The Police then issued a written warning to the woman, who was pillar of community and had no Police record. That is a waste of Police time.

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so you do not get with your white neighbour at one side of you its just one of those things but have similar agruements with a black or asian family at the other side it could end up a hate crime. what a funny old world.

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Another 'isolated incident'.? https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...ington-attack/
My thoughts are with his family and friends.

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I have been told that the people who are responsible for rehoming scumbags from other parts of the country moved a few of these people up that area.

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And another: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...from-his-neck/

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More: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...k-and-robbery/
Who's betting the assailant has a string of previous offenses..

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And you think that Accrington is the only place that this is happening?
There is crime happening in many small towns and villages.
Maybe you will come back with it being down to cuts in services....but much of it is down to how lacking some people are in moral fibre and ethics.
They see something, they want it(but don't want to work for it) so they steal.
People get hooked on drugs....cannot fund their habit, so steal in order to pay for their jollies.
There is no respect for people or their property....and that must have something to do with how parents instil values (or don't instil values) in their children.
Pull your head in and start looking around at other places!

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I live in Accrington, and this forum is for content relevant to its community Margaret. :) The wide range of recent cuts in public services are all contributory factors, but its policing and the judiciary that deal with violent crime. Whatever your stance you'll likely be seeing its effects more if the Government succeed in passing this Bill: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46847162

As for telling me to pull my head in.. Sorry I don't take requests from Party drum bangers. :D

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I am not a party drum banger.(I have no political affiliation)

I live in this area too and have lived here for all of my life. There are better places to live...but there are also worse places to live.(you only have to read of the gang warfare in areas of London to see that)

I think most of us who post on here are capable of reading about the sad and bad things that happen in our locality without your links.

Yes of course service cuts are a contributory factor....as are the lax judicial responses.

It is not something that has a single causal factor...there are many societal factors involved and addressing one without doing anything about the others is where actions fail.

I know about this bill....and yes, of course this is going to have an effect....the whole issues of how offenders are dealt with needs a radical overhaul.
I cannot see it happening.( the overhaul that is...the government bill will, I am sure, go ahead)

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Violent crime figures here jumped up 65% in 2018. Thats not down to a sudden collapse in morals, its targeted crime. One more for the list:
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...enden-robbery/

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yeh spout a lot of crap as far as i'm concerned:rolleyes:

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It depends greatly how crimes are reported and logged by the police.
I am sure that you have heard of the saying 'there are lies, damned lies and statistics'
If one year just one person is a victim of violent crime....the following year there are two....that is a rise of 100%....sounds awful doesn't it?
Of course ANY crime is reprehensible....because it means that an innocent member of society has been made a victim.
The collapse in morals is not sudden....it has been happening for decades.
There has been nothing done to stop it.

Some of it has to be down to lack of discipline by parents....and then how the offenders are dealt with is another facet of the problems.
There is very little to deter offenders.

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It is not only in Accrington...it is happening in many towns and villages...it is being perpetrated by those who need money to feed their drug habits, rather than filling their bellies.
Much of the crime in this country is fuelled by the drug culture.
This is something else that has not been addressed.

Poverty is not always the driver of crime.
I grew up in times of poverty...real poverty...the kind of poverty where there was nothing in the pantry.
What I can tell you is that we did not rob from others....our morals and ethics were what stopped us...we did not want to be shamed....but these days there is no shame in anything.

some people have no pride in themselves....they see, they want, they take....and they see nothing wrong in what they are doing.

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Re your last line Margaret, I see that often and not just in Accrington but all over.

No pride in themselves or what they do, any issues - problems or they are in the wrong and violence is always top of their agenda.

I put it down to living near to Burnley myself- that's enough to make anyone violent. :)

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I know I will be shouted down on this, but I am convinced that violent video games have something to do with violent actions in everyday life.
Seeing violence, whether that be in video games, or violent films normalises violence...it inures those who are exposed to it.

When I was growing up we played cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians....using our hands to simulate guns...role playing shooting arrows.
But our play did not result in graphic visual images of blood, guts and gore.
In real life, you only have one life.
You cannot have seven shades of sand beaten out of you, die and then use up another life.

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Dont think that helps at all Margaret, meself i put the majority of it down to crap Parents, owt for an easy life with many, i couldn't careless if i'm shouted down fer that. its what i honestly think,

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Yes, I am sure that a lack of parenting skills has an impact.
But I firmly believe that video games and violent films do have some bearing on the way villains act.

No pride, no shame, no morals.
When the 73 year old was confronted by men wielding an iron bar....did those men stop to think how they would feel if it was their mum, grandma, sister, auntie being threatened.
If they had thought....would it have changed their behaviour?

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Probably Junkies? they care about the next hit, nothing else.

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Yes, maybe you are right.
Cannot expect finer feelings from those whose brains have been fried by the use of drugs.

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They probably practised on their mum, grandma, sister, auntie, then moved onto strangers when the first form of easy money ran out.

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That is a truly horrible thought Less.
When I read of things like this happening to elderly people...I think of how I would feel if it had happened to my Ma....and it gets me incensed that these thugs are treated so leniently by the justice system.
I would have them on bread and water and breaking rocks....what do they get?
Suspended sentences and community orders.

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Junkies nearly always make there family's life a misery, then when the money run's out turn to crime.

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Whatever the underlying reason, most of these scumbags are already in the system for previous offenses. There's not enough resources for crime prevention, and slap-on-the-wrist sentencing makes the decision to offend an easy one.

More violence: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...in-accrington/

Thats all you'll hear when your head's up your arse. :D

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Well you certainly talk it sunshine, put yer brain in budgie it would fly backwards, accysno different to many places, in fact theres a lot worse.:rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=Chris Cross;1223364There's not enough resources for crime prevention, and slap-on-the-wrist sentencing makes the decision to offend an easy one.
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There are not enough resources eh?
But recently a man was questioned by Humberside Police for a Non-Hate crime offence of retweeting a limerick about Transgender males not being biological women.
They had to use precious resources to track him down to his place of employment....they then questioned him for 34 minutes to check out his THINKING patterns....but this police force has not the resources to pursue villains.

The problem is not having a lack of resources, it is using resources in a crazy way.
If you want to read more of this sinister story here is a link.
Welcome to Orwells' 1984....where authorities can make you a criminal for your thoughts.
That is what really offends me...that we can be censured for what we think.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/p...-say-theyre-wo

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Yes that is crazy Margaret, policing (and policy) at its worst. Nobody (in there right mind) wants a Police state. Whats needed is more patrols, a focus on serious crime rather than income-generating petty fines, more jails, and the money to do it..
Another: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...armed-robbery/

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Yes and sentences that are a deterrent.
It is pointless for the police to catch criminals for the judiciary to let the off with a slap on the wrist...a suspended sentence or a community order.
These do nothing to satisfy the victims or to promote confidence.

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There was once a guy in the army, his officer didn't like him and kept trying to get him on a charge. One time the officer was stood in front of him goading him, trying to get him to say something so he could get him in trouble.
The bloke said, 'excuse me sir, if I was to call you a clunt would you put me on a charge?
Yes replied the officer.
'And sir, if I was to think you were a clunt could you put me on a charge'?

Of course not, said the officer a man can't be charged for his thoughts.

'In that case sir, I THINK you are a clunt'!