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Hyndburn
Conservative gain!
Well done Sara
Good riddance Graham!
Should’ve gone with the 66% !

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I second that.
It has made my morning....knowing that we have a new person to represent the people of the borough.
I am sure that it will take very little effort to be 200% better than our last representative.
Well Done Sara

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Jeremy Corbyn gone too.
He said he was Marmite....well, that can't be right....some people LIKE marmite.
Anna Soubry gone, the irritating Jo Swinson.....I have not had time to check out others.....except Chukka....he's been chucked....but says he will stay a Lib Dem(fool).

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The little bearded communist can now go and sit in his allotment along with the other bearded little Gnomes and spout his communist claptrap too to his vegetables.:alright::alright:

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Trouble is, his metropolitan vegetables are still running the Labour Party.

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Yes they are...but maybe they will see that the current make up of the party is unpalatable and not to the taste of the electorate.
Changing the leader will not make the Labour Party any more electable unless they change their Marxist ideologies....and again appeal to the traditional Labour voter.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1234418]
Anna Soubry gone, the irritating Jo Swinson.....

actually getting rid of those two is as good as the result.

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The problem is it isn't ALL Tory GOOD - ALL Labour BAD... it's pretty much ALL politicians BAD just some are ever so slightly less bad. I don't expect the tories to do anything for the ordinary working man (oops sorry I meant to say extraordinary ever so special employed/non-employed multi-binary/self identifying gender carbon neutral 'who's a little QT+ then' "individual"). Labour has to find new more earnest folk who need to get out and about more to Hexham and Wrexham and Grimsby and Derby instead of formulating policy in Islington coffee bars and their Auvergne getaway gites. The rumour is they are considering the Mancunian Foghorn Angela Rayner as the next leader BIG mistake have they learnt NOTHING from this humiliating defeat ?

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Sorry but I never was any good at Conundrums, (If that is the way it is spelt).

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Most of us did predict that labour would pay the price for betraying the referendum vote, it’s about time these MP’s represented the views of their constituency and not their own personal agenda

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Jimmy, to learn something you have to accept that there is a gap in your knowledge...or that you have got something very fundamental, wrong.
So they are not going to learn because there is no acceptance that the problem exists in the Labour Party because it no longer represents the people it was formed to promote, protect and serve.

Jeremy Corbyn has said that the poor Labour performance was all down to Brexit(and yes, to a large degree it was a part of it) he does not accept that anything he said or did was to blame.
The fact that after the referendum, ALL parties promised that this would be delivered....but there were MP's(in all parties) who thought that we poor uneducated bunch did not know what the consequences of our vote would be.
They thought (arrogantly) that they knew better than those they are supposed to serve.
There lies the problem.
Our own MP was scathing about us being given the opportunity to decide the direction the country should pursue...he disagreed and did much to thwart the process....he did nothing much for the borough anyway.
If he wrote his achievements on the back of a stamp, he would still have room for the works of Shakespeare....so we are well rid of him....and he won't starve...he could always go back to ppie crimping.

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Here are the views of the pundits in the United States.
Many see the British election results not so much as a win for the Conservatives and Boris but more as a rejection of Socialism across the board.
They may be correct or it may be wishful thinking given the state of U.S. politics.
Opinions?

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Don’t disagree with much of this view.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/1...-of-democracy/

It wasn’t a rejection of socialism over capitalism; it was a rejection of the lying, two-faced, political and media classes in both the U.K. and the EU that believe they can perpetually hoodwink the British public.

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just been listening to jo Swinton on sky news, sounded like she still believes that her opinion is more important than that of us mere mortals

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I think it was a rejection of the people who felt the electorate were disposable.
That the thoughts, opinions, values of the electorate do not matter.
That democracy could be discarded without consequences....because it was democracy that was sacrificed by MP's of ALL parties.

There could not be a rejection of socialism as there WAS NO SOCIALISM on offer.
The current Labour Party no longer reflects the values of the working man....and not only that, the way the party was led was appalling...it wasn't led in any true sense of the word.

Now, there is a little more stability...not sure how long this will last as I am sure that when Brexit business re-opens, the EU are going to be as mad as a wet hen in a thunderstorm and they are going to look for ways to extract the pish from the UK.

Who knows what arch remainers might do now they have more time to get in cahoots with the EU mandarins.
That might make me sound paranoid, but I cannot believe that the likes of Dominic Grieve and David Gaulke (who both lost their seats) will let it lie.
So it is not over until it is over.

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Indeed - they haven't learnt one iota and seem hellbent on marginalising the party and reducing it's appeal even further...

Labour MP David Lammy, who was re-elected in Tottenham last night, has said he is "thinking about" running for the Labour leadership.

...just when you thought they couldn't choose anyone worse than Corbyn.

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It would be really hard to choose a Labour MP who has the skill to lead this very dysfunctional political party.
Part of their problem is that they have lost touch with the traditional Labour voter....and some of the blame for this has to be laid at the door of Tony Blair...he set the standard for the current class of 'champagne socialists' those with money and influence.

Today, MP's almost see themselves as celebrities rather than jobbing politicians....in parliament to REPRESENT those who elected them.

I am sick of seeing the likes of Rylance, Cumberbatch, Hugh Grant, preaching and pontificating for Labour....and not forgetting silly Lily Allen.....these are not the people that the Labour Party was set up to protect.
They have more money in a year than most of us will earn in our lifetimes....and I don't see any of them giving it to support homeless or disadvantaged.
Their pontificating is more a form of virtue signalling....letting the world think they care about those on the breadline.....but just talking about it doesn't get it done.

The party needs to rid itself of the Marxists and communists before it can hope to regain support.

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Someone else agrees with you, Margaret.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/1...erved-to-lose/

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I hadn't seen that, but yes, it is right....and it seems that they hate anything patriotic, anything British, they cannot see that patriotism to the Brits is the air they breathe....and that this is not racist or xenophobic...it is just in our genes.

Ps....I could have written that article myself....every word I agree with.

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Are these the runner has BEANS

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It seems that sore losers are again fighting in London Streets...the news reports say they Antifa demonstrators....now I thought that Antifa stood for 'antifascist'....yet these people are hypocritically exhibiting fascist tendencies....we have to believe what they believe....we have to follow their ideologies....any other ideologies will not be accepted or tolerated

Like the remainers before them(they probably are remainers...Labour voters, it seems that London is one of the few places that Labour still has support) they are denying the democratically elected government....voted for by the majority(in a first past the post system).
It appears that thuggery is what characterises these people...not good is it?

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We DO need a credible opposition though - otherwise the ruling party will just take if or granted that what they do goes without question.

Labour needs to start by going back to proper 'grassroots' - they could start with insisting that any potential candidate MUST live in the constituency. Labour has been far too guilty of putting up people who fit their 'correct' criteria into seats they know nothing about.

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Of course we do....that is the way our political system works best....balanced like a pair of scales.

The salient word in your first sentence is 'credible'...and that is what has been missing from the equation.

Also, I feel that Parliamentarians should be dignified. When you abuse your opponent, you immediately lose the argument.

I think this last election campaign has been one of(if not the most) nasty and vitriolic ever.

I think much of this nastiness boiled over from Brexit....which polarised the country.
That said it was a democratic vote that was denied by those who should uphold democratic process. They did not do what they were supposed to do, they tried to subvert the issue for their own purposes.

There was much manipulation of parliamentary process and the perpetrator of this was someone that is put in position to be impartial....the Speaker of the house.
A lot of blame for the nasty underhand tactics has to go to John Bercow.
In days of old he would have found his head on a pike....

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I forgot to add that I also agree with your observation that to become an electable party again, the Labour Party needs to go back to what it was before Tony Blair 'stuffed it up'.
He was not modernising it, he was turning it into 'Conservative Lite'.

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Ah, the great???? & the gormless! Can't abide them especially the allen bint despicable creature, still they've all been served a goodly portion of Crimbo delicacies in the last few days Stuffing & Pie (Humble) to be precise! :D

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Here is a thoughtful summation of the British Election from an American publication.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...nd-referendum/

Enjoy...
Joe

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An interesting and apposite observation.
If a journalist from the other side of the pond can see this, then why can't those in the executive of the Labour Party.

I guess the answer has to be that they can see it, but like Nelson they put the telescope up to the blind eye.

As to the last bit of the article about Boris being elected on a Brexit ticket, so what will he do once that is sorted.

I think the answer to that will very much depend on how Brexit pans out.
What I do know is that those in Brussels who have been so insulting, rude, scathing etc may just have to rethink their approach now that the swamp has been drained.

It may now be, that with a majority government things may take on a different hue.
I would certainly be thinking of repealing the legislation that tied the PM's hands.

I would also be looking at the influence that the judiciary have on Parliamentary process.

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probably cant see it cos they are more communist than socialist.

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They are certainly that.

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Doubt they'd have lasted five seconds under Uncle Joe

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Just thought I would post this link

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ity-for-change

Have a read of that and tell me which planet this man is on?
Deluded or what?

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Thats a perfect example of how stupid and deluded CORBYN is, the clown has destroyed the Labour Party.

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To be fair Cashy, the demolition started with TB...Gordon Brown continued it and it went from there.

To be a credible electable party the manifesto has to be believable(even though most of us realise that it does not constitute any kind of real promise).
The Labour manifesto was not credible and it would have meant financial ruin and our children and their children paying back debts for the whole of their lives.
The politics were those of sixth form ideologists....with no visible means of paying for the giveaways.
It was not about fairness....you do not make the poor rich by making the rich poor.
And all those moneyed celebs might have been singing a different tune had Corbyn been elected(except most of these do not pay their share of taxes as their money is kept in offshore accounts...that is why their pontificating is so irritating)
The big problem with Corbyn is his past connections with terrorists and his reluctance to apologise or distance himself from these organisations.
The Anti semitism was also a factor...and the thuggery of Momentum.
Corbyn had zero leadership skills and it was felt that he was really just a puppet and that John McDonnell(another whose past does not bear scrutiny) was pulling the strings.

How many ways do you need to tell a leader that their popularity is zero?
He did not listen, the party did not listen....this election was all about letting those in parliament know that we felt sidelined...disposable....that we were angry at how democracy had been dismissed.

I think that some of them might have got the message...but it was written on a P45.

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they still aint listening thats why they are in the ****, and will continue to be.

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And another deluded 'has been'.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...en-livingstone

Have a read of this and see what you think.
Personally I think Red Ken and JC are two cheeks of the same bum!

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just seen a cracker, Jeremy Corbyn is to be Knighted in New Year, for his services to the Conservative Party.:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Oh Cashy...for just a nano second I believed you.

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Hammond isn't getting a Peerage and neither is Bercow.

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its just my sense of humour margaret.:)

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They ain't got a clue have they - Angela bloody Rayner as deputy leader ? Was chatting to a friend who is a Tranmere supporter who said Labour need to do what we done after dropping out the league - sack the manager and get rid of the team who disgraced us so badly and start again building up from scratch.

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have to say Labour should SHUT CORBYN Tonight at the meeting and start to rebuild sensibly, or there will never be any opposition.

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Yes...I did realise that...eventually, but for a second I nearly choked on my cuppa.
You wouldn't want my demise on your conscience would you Cashy?

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Certainly Not.

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Thank goodness for that!

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i wouldn't want anyones demise on my consience...............though i may make an exception in the labour party.

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Can understand that.....I wouldn't cry over John Bercow, or Tony Blair, or John Major....or Michael Heseltine....I could add more, but I think the universe has enough to deal with just now.

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i agree entirely, though my main beef is with the party i have supported all my life, for them to turn on their own constituents is beyond the pail to me.

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Many Life long Labour supporters feel that pain.
I have always been a 'floating voter' but my daughter is a fully paid up member of the Labour Party, but she gritted her teeth and voted against the party this time.
She says that she will never ever vote for Labour again....she feels utterly betrayed by the party....and has cancelled her membership.
It is not something shenis comfortable with, but she said it had to be done.

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Have to say i agree with her Margaret, all these that have joined under the Momentum banner to me have completely destroyed the party, also made corbyn even stupider than he was imho.

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These ultra left loonies should have started up their own party instead of invading the Labour Party.
Cuckoos in the nest.

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TRUE but the support i'm sure went to CORBYNS head,

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Well, they aren't supporting him now.
He has been lambasted by the ex-MPs who were in Westminster to clear their offices.
The whole party needs to be demolished and rebuilt so that it reflects the core voters, and has credible costed manifesto's rather than a billionaire wish list.

Labour will be in the political wilderness for a long time especially if BJ gets us out of the EU with what is looking increasingly like aclean break....well that is unless the EU capitulates.
They know that with a majority and a law which prevent further extensions, they will lose out if they do not get their act together.

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Though I am saddened by the lack of a credible opposition and angered by those responsible for destroying that opposition I think we just need to leave them to their squalid recriminations and let the government we elected get on with the job.

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I don’t understand Sturgeons position, if I understand it, she wants to leave the UK join the EU but also keep the £ am I missing something or is she ?

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She cannot see the irony of leaving the UK 'prison' as she called it, to then shackle Scotland to the toxic EU.

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As long as someone else picks up the tab, she’s nae that bothered.

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Spot on there.
If they get their independence(which seems unlikely) the i hope the Barnett formula is removed forthwith...let's see how long they last on Salmon and whisky exports.

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when the UK leaves the EU Scotland would then have to apply to join the EU and as a new member Scotland would have to adopt the euro and become part of Schengen,

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No, of...wee Burnley wants to keep Sterling....and thinks that those in Brussels will give her what she wants...we all know where that path leads.

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at least we will not be picking it up then. how much do they get from westminster anyway.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;
She says that she will never ever vote for Labour again....she feels utterly betrayed by the party....and has cancelled her membership.
It is not something shenis comfortable with, but she said it had to be done.[/QUOTE]

felt the same way due to blair and his cronies. she,ll end up like me in the end, anybody but labour.

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Very, very difficult to calculate, MH.

The SNP claim Scotland has (note past tense) subsidised the U.K. over the past 40 years on the basis that Scotland ‘owns’ (or should it be owned!) most of the North Sea oil revenues. However, this is based on a very convoluted formula that makes much of the boom of oil prices in the 1980s and only goes back 30 odd years.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...rest-of-the-uk

However, the Times reported that Nicola Sturgeon denied that Scotland was being subsidised by Westminster after figures showed that public spending north of the border is more than £1,500 per person higher than the figure for the whole of the UK.

Scotland’s notional fiscal deficit — the gap between what it raises and what it spends — was £13.4 billion in the 2017-18 financial year, down £1 billion compared with the previous year. However, this represents 7.9 per cent of GDP, compared with the 1.9 per cent recorded for the UK as a whole, and more than double the limit allowed by the European Union for independent member states. The spending gap is most pronounced in the amount of money spent on public services.

Somewhat ironic then that, we’re Scotland a soviet of the EU, it would NOT be allowed such a fiscal deficit.

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The wee ginger tom is a one trick pony, constantly harping on about Indy for Scotland from they B'strd English! In the meantime, her constituency has gone to rat she-ite & the sensible Scots are suffering because of her stupidity.


And then, if she gets what she wants, Independence for Scotland, she's quite happy to blithely hand it over to Brussels & their undemocratic governance thereby chucking away the long fought for "Scottish Independence"??? The woman has been hitting the Bucky & TSS far to much, deluded doesn't even come close!.

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I see that our Ex-MP is bleating in the Accy Observer....unfinished business, back to square one...redundancy for his staff.
It seems that this man thinks he gave our town great service....by Being the Labour whip, by being on the Defence Committee, by being on a Committee dedicated to Arms Export Control and Regulation....these are his published achievements.
How do any of those help the town he came from.
He trumpets that he was a working class factory worker....but what did this man do to promote the values of those in THIS town who are still working class factory workers?

If he is in any doubt, I can tell him.
He did very little.
He felt that we were good enough to put our x in his box, but were not savvy enough to be able to determine whether we wanted to stay in the EU.
When we voted conclusively to leave he did not follow the wishes of those who put him in Westminster to promote their needs and views...he took it upon himself to vote with his deluded party....to thwart the will of his constituents.
Yet now he is surprised to find himself unemployed.

He tells us that he has unfinished business in Westminster.....well, Mr Jones, you had nearly a decade to show your mettle....and if you had done things that benefitted the place you came from, then you might still have been there....but you didn't....so too little too late.
I will never vote for you (or the Labour Party) ever again.
I don't think I am alone.

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You are far from alone Marge, as the Hyndburn electorate indicated in 2016.

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i will second that also.

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But Taddy in the election in 2017 he was returned with an increased Majority!
What were the electorate thinking?
His Maiden speech was all about scrap metal(much was made of that)....I am not entirely sure how THIS benefitted his constituents.
His other achievements have done absolutely nothing to improve the town in any way.
What has Veneuela got to do with Accrington...or the Yemen for that matter?

He has been a great disappointment to many, who thought he would go and represent the deprived areas of his own constituency. I think he got bitten by the metropolitan bug and believed that he was better than the place he came from...and that he knew more than the folk who had put him in Westmister.

Surely he could see the dissatisfaction in the town....but then NO he couldn't he was blinded by his own brilliance...shame that none of us could see it!

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Perhaps, like a lot of naive Labour (and, at that time, Tory) voters, they believed it when told parties would respect the result of the referendum!

We’re not so naive now, so Johnson had better not forget it.

On this matter, see the attached piece, and particularly comment number 5 below it.
I’ve written to my MP about reinserting the removed clause. Wonder what your new MP thinks about it?
Time is tight to do something about it.

https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_jan_d...for_brexiteers

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Maybe we were naive to believe ANY of the parties would follow through on their promise to respect the result of the referendum.

I think that the parties were dishonest in putting the promise in their manifestos....and ALL of them did this.....maybe if they were all saying that we would be more likely to believe them.

I hate the fact that I was bamboozled....I hate being screwed by the people that are supposed to represent me.
I despise our Ex MP for his part in the delay.

I have just read that Jeremy Corbyn has tabled an amendment to extend the transition period for another two years...let's hope that this fails.

I will be contacting our new MP with the suggestion that the WA is amended...to,our advantage rather than that of the EU.
(The EU is currently in political and financial turmoil)

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The other thing that was a factor in the delays in getting Brexit done has been the reluctance of remainer civil servants to accept the will of the people.

It is rumoured that there is going to be a bit of a 'clearout' of these well paid unelected(therefore unaccountable) people.
It cannot come soon enough.

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For anyone who has not seen or read the article...here is a link to the story on Lancslive.
https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashi...itics-17483626

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personally i think it would be very foolish of him to run again as an M.P. at least in Hyndburn, i will be very suprised if the voters here ever forget how they were treated after the referendum

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He talks about standing for the county Council elections, but also has Westminster ambitions.
They must be big if they could not be accomplished in almost a decade.

I cannot see him getting elected in hyndburn for a long time....unless Sara Britcliffe gets it badly wrong....even then I still don't think he would be electable.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-face-it.html

Now in the national press too....
Poor GJ.....what a sore loser....and his comments do him no favours.
Get over yourself Jones!

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How pathetic - obviously spent too much time among the 'professional victims' learning how to be ever so offended by anything and everything.

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They may be right.

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He's just found himself a bunch of sour grapes....a thin skinned, pathetic humourless loser.

He should have learned by now that you do not make yourself look bigger by making your opponent small.

She won because she has said she will listen to what her constituents want.
You lost because you had contempt for those who voted you into Parliament, you implied we (your voters) were ill educated and thick.....that was ill conceived and arrogant.
Accyladgonebad.

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sad to say but that is perfectly true as far as i.m concerned.

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Anyone know where you can buy the t-shirt ? Would be good if half the town bought them though need to add a caption - LOSER across the top of them.

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Now that would put the cat among the pigeons.